Don't get ahead of yourself Rollout. Ok let's do the rider design. A basic idea for the design is a fossil theme. So what belt design did we agree on. I'm fine with the chomping or the lever.

What I had in mind is that there are 4 or so positions for the magnifying glass 1 for the henshin and 3 for the finishers or so . Setting the dial in any of the finisher positions lock the stone in place.

I like the recent image of the belt. it really has a nice look and definitely could work.

I can see it doing special attacks by opening it and closing it really fast like the genesis driver.

Well I thought of those two as concepts for the dinosaur rider.

Ever since Amazon, if there were a human infant adopted by dinosaurs since Tarzan was adopted by apes, there can also be a "Hulk" side of the child when he grows up that he'll have some "dinosaur" side of him that is rampant when angry and confused.

I hoped some of you would've thought about that as I do.

Or the Tarzan jungle-boy thing comes in with Kamen Rider Ice/Epoch, who is themed after Pleistocene megafauna.

What about "Paleo's" weapons and forms?

Plus will there be extra riders?

What about the kaijin?

hahaha easy y'all lets focus on the design of the rider himself for now. I may not be able to replicate a smaller version of the paleo driver on the rider himself but I can at least make the base form....Tyrano right?

This is why we need to talk about forms, weapons, and upgrades BEFORE we design the suit. Depending on the concept of his form changes, it could change the look completely.

I think his primary form should be raptor based. Quick, easy, and simple. And by raptor I don't mean a velociraptor.

I was thinking for forms:

- Deinonychus
- Triceratops
- Brachiosaurus
- Pterodactyl
- Ankylosaurus
- Tyrannosaurus
- Final Form: "Godzilla"

I think it would be better to make the suit THEN make the weapons to share the same theme as the suit.

it makes more sense.

Since we're talking forms here, I'll reintroduce my idea.

I'm partial to the concept of his forms being types of dinosaurs rather than a specific dino for each one. That way it both opens up more opportunities to include (and not exclude) any dinosaur from his power-up roster. AND it will keep his amount of true forms to a minimum, making it easier on whoever illustrates this.

FORMS:

Carnivore, Herbivore, Omnivore, Aquavore, etc...

SYSTEM:

Let's just use those first four as an example. I know they're AMBER stones, and therefore a orange-y color, but hear me out. You've got different colored stones for each form type. But there's multiple dinosaurs that fall in to those colors. I'm just gonna think up random colors for now:

ORANGE: Tyranno, Raptor, etc..
GREEN: Stego, Tricera, etc...
PURPLE: Oviraptor, Troodon, etc...
BLUE: Mosasaur, Plesiosaur, etc...

Any orange stone activates the Carnivore form base, but depending on the specific Dinosaur adds a unique weapon, armor, or ability as well as a unique finisher for that amber stone. Same goes for the others. Any green transforms the base into Herbivore, purple into Omnivore, blue into Aquavore (marine reptiles.)

Of course there would be a final form, too. I just think ONE dinosaur for each of his forms is kind of boring.

Bottom line, the reason we need to decide this stuff BEFORE we start designing the suit is so that we can incorporate whatever the gimmick and/or form change might be into the design.

if you ask me, we could think of a power and an armament, then make the suit, and then make the weaponry and armaments themselves so they don't impede the suit design.

they aren't really separate things because they all have to blend together or risk looking out of place.

plus, we've already got the form gimmick haven't we? are you saying it's not gonna be the amber stones?

Nono. They're still amber stones. But what kind of collectible would be all one color? That seems silly, monotonous, and very... Un-collectible. I'm just sort of pushing the definition to accommodate more color into the idea.

All I'm suggesting is that the concept behind each form in relation to the gimmick collectible needs to be addressed before designing the suit.

Some people might suggest his main form be based on a Raptor, Tyrannosaurus, or any other single dinosaur. I'm suggesting it not be based on a single dinosaur, but vague enough to allow many. Other people might have different ideas, too. We can't very well design the suit before knowing what each form (or at the very least his base form) will be based on.

EVERYBODY CALM DOWN!!!
There is a lot of confusion and ideas being thrown around all over. We have to do this in an organized fashion. Here is my schedule for everything:
1. Suit Design
2. Forms
3. Weapons/Arsenal
4. Rider Machine
5. Artwork

And THEN the we will move on to the secondary rider. The process will repeat for the secondary rider. Until we are finished with Paleo there will be no talk of a sedondary rider.

Helios has spoken

Let's work on the suit design. I was thinking of making it look like a fossil rather than a live dinosaur because Sentai never does that with their dino rangers and I wanted to differentiate Paleo from them. Throw in your ideas for the suit design.

Also we need to think about his main fighting style first. Because that will affect the design the most

Fossil suit you say?
http://www.dvandom.com/bb/12dinotoy.GIF

Perhaps we can borrow design cues?

Instead of seeing a whole bunch of text and going "WHOA. HOLD THE PHONE. YOU'RE GOING TO FAR," actually read what I was saying there and understand my point.

I'm sorry Helios, but I cannot understand in any capacity why coming up with a CONCEPT for how the forms could work would come BEFORE suit design. At all. The base suit design IS a form, after all. Prime example: You think the designed the TaToBa suit before deciding how he would gain his power-ups and forms? At the very least, the two steps "suit design" and "forms" should overlap and coincide.

Here's the thing. When coming up with ideas for any show, there's a lot of off the wall brainstorming and concept art. Obviously in the community format we're conducting this in, constant concept art before the final design isn't all that practical to produce. In the end, what I'm saying is... I understand you want to keep things linear. I understand you want to try and retain some kind of order. But in reality that's not how solid ideas and concepts are made. It's much more of a organic flowing progression where bits and pieces of the whole vision are formed simultaneously.

I didn't say that the suit design has to come before the forms. I was just throwing out a basic schedule to keep things in order because a lot of people are saying different ideas. I agree that we should do the forms first, you've convinced me. Forms first then suit design. I don't people talking about another subject, I just want all of us contributing to Paleo's forms. I like your ideas for the forms. I don't want each form to be rainbow of different dinosaurs. I want it to have a consistent design, but still have the powers of different dinosaurs that fit in the category.

Now Tokubots, transform and let your creative juices flow! (Unoriginal, I know)

Maybe his forms will be a fossil mix like OOO.

OOO
Birds (red): Hawk-Peacock-Condor
Felines (yellow): Lion-Tiger-Cheetah
Insects (green): Stag Beetle-Mantis-Grasshopper
Heavy (gray): Rhino-Gorilla-Elephant
Aquatic (blue): Killer Whale-Eel-Octopus
Reptiles (orange): Cobra-Turtle-Alligator
Dinosaurs (purple): Ptera-Tricera-Tyranno

I like the thought of the multi dino roles played by the gems that way if he needed something land based and fast, BAM, Velociraptor. Oh he need something strong?, BANG, Tyranosaurus. Needs something in between? BOOM, Spinosaurus....Get the Idea? and a Megalodon form could be seriously bad ass

I like the sound of it but can you explain it more I don't fully understand.

If I understand right what the idea was is that each color gem represent a different class of Dino that way if he needs something specific he can switch to that class and the specific Dino he needs be it Aerial or Aquatic, Light or Heavy, Strong or Fast...

How does he switch to that specific class?

The magnifying glass/dial on his Driver perhaps?

That's what I had in mind as well.

I imagine the amber stones could come with a scrolling mechanism that switches the design inside the stone similar to Ghost's eyecons (I think) whenever the dial is turned, which will then be magnified by the glass. And after that you just pull and push the lever to activate the transformation.

I think the glass could have up to 4-5 modes so I guess each mode corresponds to a specific dino or class.

I was thinking there could be form change amber stones and power up amber stones. The form change ambers are based off of a group of dinosaurs such as carnivores, herbivores, etc. The power up ambers are based off of specific dinosaurs such as T-Rexes, pteranodons, etc. The power up ambers can only be used for a specific a form change amber. For example the T Rex power up can only work with the Carnivore form change amber and the Plesiosaurus power up amber can only work with the aquavore form change amber. Using this system we can keep the whole functionality of Yuu's belt except it will eliminate the dial.

Hmm... So like Tire Koukan but with Fossils?

So its like the shift cars

See, that's what I was thinking initially. But I don't like the Idea of constantly switching out the stones.

OOOH! Maybe... Okay. He's got the Carnivore, Herbivore, Omnivore, and Aquavore stones (forms.) Each one has multiple Dino DNA strands in them, lets say four or five. By turning the magnifying glass to a selected dino and chomping the jaws, he gains its attributes. His form finisher is turning the glass to the last position and chomping the jaws. The attack (in base form, probably a kick) combines all five of the dino powers into a specialized assault.

Thats sort of what I said earliers thus the scrolling mechanism

maybe we could just chomp the jaws twice quickly ala sengoku driver to activate the finishers. and they could be just a powered up version of whatever mode the dial is on.

They could have six modes. One mode is for changing. One is for the finisher. The other three each contain the DNA of a dinosaur in each category. I'm not entirely sure on the sixth mode, but I guess it could be a combination of all three power ups or a fourth dinosaur. Each of the six modes can be activated by turning the dial. Instead of chomping to activate the finisher. Paleo an turn the dial to the finisher mode, open the jaws, then push the lever to close the jaws and it's activated.

The one thing I hate about where we're going with this is knowing that a majority of the things we're designing will be one time users. Face y'all, the more forms, moves, and finishers, the less use they'll get.

may be we can have a multiy rider series ?

Ah! Yeah. I didn't quite understand what you were saying, but I guess we're on the same page, then. As I see it, the belt would function something like this:

- Make sure the magnifying glass dial is turned all the way to the left. (Jaws are open by default.)
- Insert an Amber Stone and close the jaws to henshin. The stone slides into the view of the magnifying glass.
- At this point, opening the jaws spits the stone back out UNLESS you:
- Turn the glass to select one of the dinos in the amber stone. Doing this opens the jaws up again, but this time the stone stays inside.
- Chomp once to activate the dinosaurs power.
- While a dino power is active, chomp twice for a special attack/finisher.
- Turn the glass all the way to the right end of the dial and chomp twice to activate the super special combined finisher.
- Turn the glass all the way back to the left to spit out the Amber Stone; deactivating the henshin, or to swap forms.

As I understand, that might come later. After we've designed the main Rider.

We have discussed that krwolf. But first we are focusing on the primary Rider, Paleo.

oh sorry just trying to help

Feel free to throw out ideas at any time! But try to keep those ideas relevant to what we're currently discussing if you can. :)

Can you guys read my explanation for the belt.

Don't he sorry bro. Just try to keep up because we tend to go a bit fast. *hands krwolf a pair of goggles* You might need these.