Originally Posted by Sh Ranger (Post 790571)

Mental illness can explain Ren's actions but it doesn't justify them. Kusaka was also a psychopath but that doesn't mean he was a good guy or a victim of some condition. His actions were still his own, he manipulated people, he knew what he was doing and he didn't care about anybody's desires beyond his own. Mitsuzane is the worst case of this though.

In Ren's case, his philosophy that strength is justice lacks nuance which is why he couldn't accept that Kamijo defeated Kento. He's like an AI being told a paradox and can't understand the truth is more complicated than it seems on the surface. However, Ren made a choice to antagonize Touma instead of giving him a chance to explain himself. That's not a problem with Ren's philosophy, that's just a problem with Ren.

Originally Posted by Future Rider Prism (Post 790589)

Yeah, he's seeing everything in black-and-white, and refusing to consider that Touma might be right. He's refusing to think in general, actually.

I might need to explain: I never meant to "excuse" what Ren was doing (though I can see how it might sound like that. oops). He's still very much the one in the wrong here. But I'm tired of people saying "I don't like this character, so the hero who wants to save people should go against everything the show stands for and murder them," and then getting mad when that doesn't happen.

I know I can't tell anyone how they should watch a show, and maybe I shouldn't have said anything at all. Maybe I've taken things too far. I'm not sure anymore.

I don't even like Ren that much. I just think there's more to the character than, "he's bad."

Originally Posted by Chasing (Post 790600)

I was referring to the person who posted that being mentally ill. He's said so himself and his past few pages of posts are nothing but "kill Ren and/or Akiyama".

Originally Posted by Sh Ranger (Post 790607)

He's all Sword and no Logos. I don't think he's totally irredeemable yet. He sees what the Swordsmen do and associate that heroism with SOL. Likewise, he sees Kamijo's crimes and assumes he's evil, instead of someone with good motivations who just went way too far with the means. Loyalty is a desirable quality for a knight but unfortunately, Reika is using that to encourage the fighting. Rintarou has that quality as well but his reasons are more personal, conflicted between two sides of people he considers family and finds it difficult to have faith in Touma since it's a truth he doesn't want to hear. Ren just can't accept that Kento's killer was anything more than a bad guy which is a more shallow perspective.

Not sure where Ren's arc is going to end but it seems like a long road before he sees the error of his ways. Desast's talk about him has me concerned though. So far, Ren is very angry about hearing the "one of us" thing since he hates the Megid but when all his allies join the one he deems a traitor, the Megid might be only side he could turn to.

Anyway, you should totally say your opinions here. That's what a discussion thread is for.



I've been checking the thread pretty regularly and I haven't seen Henshinzero mention anything about mental illness or killing Akiyama, who isn't even a character in this show. Besides, neither of us are really in a place to determine a real life person's capacity for reason. Maybe we should just talk about the show?

Originally Posted by Sh Ranger (Post 790609)

Yeah I know who you were referring to, but Chasing suddenly started talking about Ren from Ryuki.

Originally Posted by gashatfreak (Post 790666)

Does anyone have any idea or know how long the Buster manga will go on for? The W Fuuto Tantei manga is over 90 chapters right now (causing me to be mad at myself for procrastinating in learning Japanese) but I can't exactly see this happening to a manga that's debuting alongside a how it's a spin-off of.

Could be wrong but still.

Originally Posted by henshinzero (Post 790682)

If it's possible Kento becomes the next Calibur discarding Ikazuchi, Mei better be the one next to takeover for him in order to set him free!

1001 Arabian Nights better be the upgrade for Espada!