Thing is the movie where not dubbed by ocean cause if they were brain Swaile would of been voice of amero but he ant main anime serise was ocean dubbed the movie where not dubbed by them only char counter attack was

Something I learned recently is that almost of the Zabi family in the original MSG (Kycilia, Sasaro, Garma, Dozle, Gihren), have different mothers, at least in the novel version. Dozle and Garma are the only ones to share a mom.

As I've always understood it their father Degwin was quite the horrible piece of trash. But I'd never heard the multiple wives/mistresses bit before. That's actually really interesting.

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There's some really great kits in HLJ's autumn sale. Denial Gundam, Lightning Gundam, MG Hyaku-Shiki 2.0, Ez-SR, Mega-Shiki, SD Musha Amazing... quite frankly, I'm surprised that they have an overstock of them. Regardless, I picked up a RG Z'Gok and a Lightning Gundam with the Mk II backpack.

Really sort of explains a lot about the Zabi family and why Kycilia is kinda fucked up in some aspects due to all her close female role models cycling out for Degwin. (or dead, like Garma's mom). I remember somewhere in the origin manga that she said it was hard for her growing up a girl in a household full of boys, but I don't know if that necessarily confirms it.

I found that out from the website of Mark Simmons, and English Language Gundam Superfan who has translated a few tidbits of information and hangs out on mechatalk forums. Something else interesting is that there's a bit of a gap between the body composure of Degwin and his kids, all being strong and muscular. Or at least Garma and Dozle. But I've heard the gap explain due to his body deteriorating in space since he was originally from Earth.

Cool! There's a few kits that interest me, but my mom hates HLJ with a passion, plus I don't have the money.

Honestly, none of the Gundam dubs until Unicorn were all that stellar.

Wing, G, and SEED had good dubs, but they also had their fair share of problems. Wing had too many secondary character voices changed halfway through the show. G's Gundam names were all jacked up even in the uncut version. SEED had some voices that just did not fit. They're watchable dubs, but they are far from great.

The UC dubs all suck ass though. It doesn't even sound like they even cared when they dubbed them, which is a shame.

I'd disagree when it comes to Zeta at least. I really really liked that dub a lot. They set themselves very far apart from the MSG dub. No character who returned in Zeta was played by the same voice actor and it really helped sell the notion that it was a different time and place. Really enjoy that dub a lot.

I liked Amuro in 0079 and thought Zeta,8th MS Team,CCA and Stardust Memory had decent dubs.

I tried watching the Zeta dub but all of the voices really irked me because the characters sounded way too different from their design and a lot of them sounded bored. Not that it matters though because since ZZ is not going to be dubbed, I'm just going to stick with subs for the UC series.

As for the 0079 dub, I thought it started out fine but got worse as the series went on.

the reason for the mainly behind the scene bandai went and gave to westwood other dubbing studio blue water witch for canada and uk done a horrible dub of GT and DRagon ball but uk had ocean mostly for DBZ for few funimaition dubbed episode. whille when i mentioned my last post i love ocean production i mean char counter attach one of my fave movie dubbed by them not cause it brad swaile voicing armaro again and the fact i loved his armaro. i just when watching the retelling film was expecting ocean behind the dub as soon as i heard it it fell like a cheesy old kung fu movie and i knew instantly ocean production was not behind this.

As much as I love Brad Swaille (such a nice guy) his Amuro isn't great because it's just him as Kicker. There's absolutely nothing (be it subtle or otherwise) to distinguish between the two roles.

i hear more of his gohan and or light in amero then i did with his kicker

To be fair though I think you could say the same for a lot of the high profile voice actors in regards to similar sounding roles.

the other person that comes to mine is chris sabat i mean current age cris sabat i mean i could not tell back in the day that sabat voice shenron but it lot more noticeble now

Probably, and at which point I'd give them the same criticism.

So there's some badass new Gundam Thunderbolt art out.

http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spi...52416_full.jpg

You know what the color scheme of the Full Armor Gundam kinda reminds me of? The deactivated suits from Gundam SEED. You know, when they're in the ship before they launch and they get the color once they fly out.

thing i am loving all these new gundam tie to orginal but i think for arthentisty sake they should make look and feel like early 80's anime

Like in terms of the animation quality? Because it's kind of impossible to go back and make something that looks exactly as shitty as 0079 now the way it was originally made.

Or just overall art style? Because this to me is just fine. It's actually kinda similar to Unicorn but with more badassery added to it.

Yup yup yup! Can't wait for this to get moving. Itlls be a treat to see all these designs finally in full animation. Can't wait to see Johnny Ridden, or at least a version of him, finally make it to the big screen so to speak as well. He's always been relegated to side stories and games.

Oh shit! Low rent Char might finally show up in canon? Cool! I've been looking on Gundam wiki, but I haven't seen him as being in Thunderbolt as a character (at least in the manga).

I hope though that Ridden being there doesn't bring the entirety of Mobile Suit Variations with him because good god a lot of the stuff in those stories are stupid. If you take all of MSV into account, there would apparently be 7 or 8 versions of the RX-78 running around. Not counting the Alex or the Thunderbolt. And that would be really dumb as a lot of the original MSG's tension/plot revolved around delivering the RX-78 back to home base. So having 6-7 other ones would diminish it.

Random thought but: What if Vertical's next Gundam manga project is translating Thunderbolt to coincide with the anime?

God I would kill for that. Always wanted to read Thunderbolt, would love to own it officially.

And yeah Johnny, or as you'd know him at this point in his life, Led Wayline, was in MSV-R The Return of Johnny Ridden. Which takes place in UC 0090. Amnesiac after the final Battle of A Baoa Qu, Johnny (Led) joined the Federation as a survey member examining mobile weapons of the One Year War era. Oddly he was even part of a task force that was looking for him! The types of mobile weapons he studied included those from Thunderbolt as far as I know as well. It opens up the door that he could be in this show in some capacity for flashbacks. That's my hope at the very least. And Johnny could very easily have been present for the battles in Thunderbolt as well. He was kind of all over the place during the OYW.

Sounds interesting. I think it would just be a straight telling of Thunderbolt, but if the story was part on an arc for Johnny Ridden in U.C. 0090, I think that would be cool.

Also people in Japan have been complaining about IBO's violence: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/inte...V2VBywQDLel.01

Of course Japan would have its analog of the Parents Television Council to try and remove everything that normal people can enjoy. Though adopting a TV rating system like we have in the States might help point out what's for kids and what is meant for adults like IBO.

I agree. Also doesn't help that on the surface, IBO has AGE artstyle syndrome, of having a cute design upfront,misleading to some, but ending up being some dark shit.

i was talking about animation but i more an happy with this the only say 2000 gundam i have watch is seed so i do know that current gundam shows remind me of that animation

It also doesn't help that this is being marketed towards kids.

Yup. You can't market a show to kids and then pull the crap they're pulling with Mika. He's a pretty horrific character even for adult audiences.

Yeah the stuff I've heard about him is why I haven't watched IBO it seems a bit too dark for Gundam.*and this is coming from a guy who likes Zeta and Victory*

He's basically a character with absolutely no moral compass who will happily murder people in cold blood if his friend simply tells him to. It's pretty discomforting to watch, but I'm assuming the show is actually going to go somewhere with how self-destructive that relationship is.

Yeah, Mika can be a sociopath, but we have to realize Orga is also just as much a main character as Mika. I have a feeling that Mika will be confronted about this, but I also feel its not gonna be that important considering the Martian plight is the main focus.

At the same time though, Gundam in general is rather dark and violent. Aside from G a lot of the stories are specifically about war and the effects it has on the world and the people involved, most of the time kids. Heck I'm pretty sure I've seen somewhere Tomino saying the equivalent of "It's war, it's suppose to be brutal and disturbing." And he's right. Yes, Mika is a rather disturbed character. But even though the character is handled worse than Mika, the argument can be made that Heero was really brutal in that he WAS a mindless brainwashed killing machine terrorist. Mika's just doing what he has to do to survive in war and to help out a friend. Plus he is choosing to do so, whereas a character like Heero and probably a good deal of other pilots just sort of fall or get forced into the role.

We also have to remember that Japan's take on what is appropriate for kids is a lot different than ours in terms of television and media.

Like, what time does IBO even come on? I remember the same group of people wanting Shimoneta to be censored even though it was on at a time where children shouldn't be up in the first place


And its ironic considering the plot of Shimoneta.

5pm I think I read somewhere, not 100% sure though.

That's an incredibly simplified way of looking at it. He didn't HAVE to kill most of the people he does, he just did because he'll literally do anything Orga tells him to.

The controversy stemmed from the fact Mika didn't just kill people, he killed people who were drugged, tied up and defenceless.

Well, in his defense, those same people used Mika and the others as a means of escape even if they all died, so its sort of a karma thing.

They were all sick of being treated as disposable so they fought back.

And 5pm seems like an okay tine for something like IBO. It seems to be directed more at teens anyway, not children.

Most Gundam shows have a fairly upbeat tone or ending* most notable exceptions being Zeta and Victory and even then the hero still soundly beats the villain in the end.*

Heero didn't brutally murder defenseless unarmed people every other episode because someone ordered him to and even if he did he'd have had more traditionally heroic foils in the form of Duo,Trowa,Quatre and debatably Wufei and Zechs.

Not so much these days if anything Japan's guidelines are becoming stricter while America's are becoming more lax.

To think I always thought Japan was a lot less strict on shows compare to the US. Parents seem to be okay with the level of blood and violence in One Piece and Naruto which are both market to kids in Japan.

In general though they really aren't that upbeat though. They may sport a bit of a shine or some fun moments, but its still in the end fairly tragic war stories.

He blew up a plane of politicians because he was told and tricked in to do doing. He began terrorizing the Earth because he was brainwashed and told to do so, costing some civilian and innocent lives in the process probably. So yeah, Mika is way worse than a brainwashed terrorist who was tricked into killing harmless politicians and brainwashed and ordered to fuck shit up on Earth and in possibly harming innocent lives because of it.

Probably because, when you think about it, those are a lot more cartoony and fantasy inspired compared to IBO being based around war and having a pretty brutal grit and tone to it.

on what i read when i first got in to gundam and in what i seen thanks to dynasty warriors gundam games 079 was apprent anime head of it time and was also treated a drama more then any thing so is gundam now still trying to incoperate that in the anime they make or not

They weren't main characters though. Having the main character (the "hero", as warped as that simplification may be) doing it is where the problem lies here.

I don't think it should have been handled any other way, I'm quite interested to see where it's all going. I'm just sitting on the fence here and can understand the mindset behind the complaints.

Gundam has become such a merchandising juggernaut that many won't assume it's subject matter often isn't pretty.