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Revice's constant string of changes and rewrites completely destroyed the show.
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In fact, it seems to me that the rider is quite good at finding a separate task for each hero. That is, while the main character is fighting the main villain, the rest either deal with the extras or cheer him up without getting into battle. |
Since they remembered about Revice, then his main trouble is the sobbing beaten by Daiji. That's exactly what pops into my head when I think about this show. And I understand that this is most likely an illusion, but according to my feelings of his suffering, at least half of the series was shadowed.
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I guess to clarify my point from earlier, I do actually like the crossover stuff, in fact I think the crossover movies can be a lot of fun. I just don’t want it referenced or being important in the main show in any way, shape, or form. I also don’t want different Riders from other shows appearing in the current one (unless of course it’s the entire point like with Decade & Zi-O, then it’s fine). I like this stuff as a side thing but KEEP it a side thing.
Also regarding Black Sun, I dug it at first but the ending (more specifically the very very end) was so wack it soured the whole thing for me. |
I'm not the biggest fan of specials that tie in with the series as it's airing; it's a lot to keep track of and while sometimes it's nice to get additional side content it also tends to be more on the side of "essential story content they couldn't write into the main show."
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Continuing this theme, have you noticed that there are characters on the show whose name is only in the credits or is said once, by the way? This was clearly before, but in Geats it is especially striking.
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Blade's ending is overrated
There were multiple ways it could have been solved without turning Kenzaki into a Joker |
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But in general, I like the ending of OOO (the show, not the anniversary movie) much better, because there, Agee's kindness elicited a response from Ankh. While the relationship between Kenzaki and Hajime remains one-sided, except that there are fewer fights. |
The Grongi language isn't huge spoiler, it's just normal villain speak.
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Kuuga is BETTER with subbed Gurongi speech. As entertaining as it is that the show had long scenes of characters babbling at each other in a fictional language, I think the show's mysteries work better if you have a little extra context from knowing what the villains are on about.
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Agreed.
I actually found it infuriating to watch. It was artsy fartsy nothingness for roughly 2 minutes each episode. Have you seen it once, have you seen them all. Knowing what they are saying actually gives you something to read while the blabber on. |
Gonna be a broad one here, but:
Kamen Rider fans nowadays keep falling into the same loop of "Overhype a new rider series -> Wax poetic about it at the start -> Completely 180 on it the moment the story does one thing they don't like much -> End the series saying it was terrible and will only refer to it negatively for a while -> Look back on the series after some time and call it underrated" and it's getting tiring that a majority of people aren't noticing this and either tempering their expectations or taking a break from the franchise to decompress and settle down. Happened with Zero-One, happened with Saber, happened with Revice, it's probably gonna happen with Geats. When's the cycle gonna break? |
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Another controversial one, though not related to the previous one too much. I think that Keiwa's character arc makes perfect sense. We've seen that he's much more cynical than most 'idealistic' characters, and that he isn't some perfect good guy. He has his own selfish moments which is normal for even the kindest person (as he's very invested in keeping his only remaining immediate relative alive), and that not everyone will be able to handle/get 'stronger' from immense tragedy, and will even potentially engage in the worst aspects of their personalities to try and cope. A more controversial one I feel like would be that I think Keiwa being "sidelined" during the Lamentation to Yearning arcs actually helped instill the idea that he's "powerless" compared to Ace's 2000 years of experience and Michinaga's sheer determination and ruthless. Like he's powerless even to take the spotlight from Michinaga who "usurps" his position as the deuteragonist for those arcs. And him getting beaten down by various events really help show that as much as he's gotten stronger and more skilled, that he's still outmatched by those two. |
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That said, you're absolutely correct about over-hype. It's why I don't watch KR anymore as it airs. Last one I did was Zero-One and, while I liked it overall, even I dropped off at the end and didn't finish it till last year. Every time a KR series begins there's people saying it's the best series ever, as if it doesn't have almost a year left to go. It leads to a very distorted view of public opinion where the general consensus starts very aligned and then, I dunno, retroactively shifts after a period of time? But it's not even that people say the show got worse or something, but rather the idea that once it loses that momentum or, as you said, does something unpopular, suddenly it as always bad. |
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Rivals seem to be so overrated sometimes, their words being taken with face value, when people like Michinaga are also arrogant and, just big-mouthed. The good-natured characters' (like Keiwa) shortcomings such as being naive and gullible being endlessly brought up, likely dismissing how he can keep as plot armor, and concluding those as how you should encourage cruelty to "eliminate weaknesses and get ahead" (how Kekera-like fans emerge), when writing kind character as naive is only a writing chouce, while rough and mean characters like Michinaga had them being depicted as sensible, tough, badass, realistic (playing up cynicism as this), and mature, and if they fail, they're considered as the writers giving them the short end of the stick, overlooking their own shortcomings like how being reckless and stubborn holds them back at games like DGP where cooperation is required, or not maximizing what they have like using guns only as melee weapon, and actually gets killed in ep. 15 even if Zombie did its work. Michinaga does get to win in JGP, but Beroba also deserves credit in that. |
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In Encounter, it's Ace taking advantage of his newbie status to get the Boost Buckle in the first round and later on convincing him to risk his life in the Kick the Can Game so that he could fulfill a Secret Mission to get the Ninja Buckle. In Divergence, it's Daichi pretending to be a listening ear, only for him to try and fuck him over by pinning him as the Desastar due to his reluctance to fight the Jyamato since he thinks it's Shirowe back from the dead. In Lamentation, it's... basically something every round. First round, he gets put out of commission, leaving Ace to save the day and get Boost MKII. Second round... nothing that I can remember, actually. Third round, Keiwa does well only to get sneak attacked by the Dunkleosteus Jyamato and loses his fight. Final round, we all know what happens there. This is basically the arc where Keiwa suffers the most. In Yearning, it's his quite literal powerlessness to beat an invincible Jyamashin!Michinaga who keeps ragging on him for his beliefs, as well as seeing him beat his sister who got dragged into the DGP/DR again and forcibly retired against her will (which is a fair thing to worry about, considering how we've seen people's personalities change after their desires get removed, so who knows what could've happened to her). And then the Grand End takes his memories and Desire Driver, leaving him powerless again. And we don't need to go over what happened in Genesis, considering what's happening. So considering how so much of Keiwa's powerlessness came because others took actions by any means necessary, it's no wonder why Keiwa decided to do the same, too. Quote:
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And this applies not only to the characters, but also to the show. For example, when Tsumuri suddenly becomes incredibly important at the end of Geats, this is taken as normal, although Tsukuyomi from Zi-O in white is scolded for the same. With the fact that the girl in white was given much more attention in her show. |
Since the topic suddenly turned into a discussion of Geats, I will write what suits it. All the main characters in this show are bad. They are selfish, traitors and liars. And you can write as much as you like about the fact that good characters have bad traits, this will not change the fact. Yes, they will save you from the monster (in Michinaga's case, not sure), but would you like to be friends with such people? Work with them? Fight shoulder to shoulder? How is Ace setting up Keiva to get a ninja buckle different from General Patton driving soldiers on a night attack through a minefield? And that's the problem with the whole show. It does not have the light that was in Ryuki, Fayze, Gaim, and even the Amazons. There is no one who will show that the world can be better. Even if it fails. Does not lie those who die quickly, Tsurumi, Iruma and Archimedel.
And this cannot be explained by the realism loved by Niram. Because there is no realism here, and not at all because of the fantastic nature of the show. In reality, traitors are outcasts. In reality, for cheating in competitions, you will most often be kicked out in disgrace, and not declared the winner. In reality, you can end up in jail for cheating. In reality, lying creates problems, not solves them. So it's not realism, it's dark fantasy. Trying to enter the territory of things like "The Boys" and "Black Sun", while remaining within the limits of his age category. But I sincerely do not wish anyone in the future to cross paths with the current six-year-old, for whom Ace has become an example. Trust me, you won't like this experience. |
Here's what I noticed. In shows like riders vs monsters, the negative behavior of the characters is written down as a flaw in the show, even if it's blatantly condemned later. But in the show about rival riders, it remains the flaws of the characters, although it is obvious that they did not write themselves into the script. For example, when people don't like Daiji or Sakura, Revice gets scolded for it. At the same time, viewers can hate Keiva or Michinaga, but still enjoy Geats.
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I disagree that just because no-one on the show is some idealised hero, it somehoe lacks some intangible ill-defined "light" that means it's evil? The characters are flawed, yes, but they're not cackling villains. They're realistic, they fight for their own goals, and most of their issues come from the fact that they're often risking their lives for a future game show Squid Game style, and that's gonna fuck you up. Keiwa becoming a grief-stricken murderer? Damn, wonder why the kid who's done nothing but lose people fromhis very first DGP outing and constantly feels outclassed by everyone else might have a depressive episode from that. |
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As well as the return of Keiwa and Michinaga to being riders is also quite consistent with their goals stated at the beginning. As long as there is Jamato, the world is not safe. As long as there is Jamato, there will be riders, at least one for sure. And yes, GPD brings out the worst in people, but I've also made clear why I don't think their positives outweigh the negatives. Because I would not want to have such people in real life. Because bad things happen and a person must be able to remain good in spite of them. And without philosophy and abstruse words, this show extols deceit, the main character is a deceiver. Cheating is bad, no one wants to be deceived and deceivers are bad people. There are exceptions, but most often this is the case. Yes, and even with exceptions: all sympathy for "noble" crooks ends when you yourself become their victim. As for Keiwa, he, of course, can be understood. He does what he thinks is right. But also his actions are not correct, which also needs to be understood. It's also not like anyone was trying to support him and keep him from breaking loose. Which is quite in the nature of the characters, but does not honor them, just as it takes away the right to be called his friends. "A friend in need will not leave" - isn't this the basics? Plus, if what happened to Keiwa was obvious to you, how could it be a surprise to someone with 2,000 years of experience? At a minimum, Ace definitely watched "Chirin no Suzu" in a previous life. |
I think going so far as to say Geats' main characters are bad people is a bit much, personally.
Flawed, yes. Bad, no. They're human beings put into a scenario where they can essentially get the one thing they've been wanting. Trying to get ahead of the competition is gonna bring out their more selfish sides and spotlight their flaws. Ace is a good person, but is egotistical. Neon is a good person, but can be selfish. Keiwa is a good person, but has a very black and white way of thinking. Even Michinaga is a good person, but he's prideful to a fault. They all show traits proving that while flawed, they're not evil or inherently bad. They're driven by their own personal lives and molded by their supporters in most cases. Beroba drives Michinaga to be more merciless because she loves suffering. Kekera drives Keiwa to be more vengeful because his ideal Kamen Rider isn't a white knight kind of person. Ziin drives Ace to be the protagonist who always wins because he doesn't want to see his fave lose. And Kyuun does what he can to drive Neon to be true to herself because he'd rather have her live happily than as someone she's not. |
It's ironic how you asked if anyone would want to be friends, coworkers, or 'soldiers' with or trust anyone from Geats, while also bringing up how it doesn't have the 'light' of other seasons like 555.
I would most definitely not trust anyone from 555, especially with how badly they communicate with each other constantly. Also, the DGP isn't like a regular competition, either. It's a reality tv competition, like Survivor, Big Brother, or even a parody like Total Drama Island. All of which tend to encourage people to deceive and trick their fellow competitors, as long as they don't actually break any rules. Heck, the Scheme is just a game of Among Us, where one person assigned 'Impostor' (Desastar) and the participants have to figure out who among them is the Impostor or else they'll automatically win if they reach the final two, and the Impostor has to lie to avoid being kicked out. The DGP isn't like a sports competition, where yea, there are heavy penalties for cheating and lying. |
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As for the reality show aspect, this part for the players themselves lasted literally one game, Desastar. Under Girori, they seemed to be assured that they were saving the world from the invasion of monsters, and the prize was secondary. So conflicts between riders at an early stage were mainly imposed by the aggressive nature of Michinaga, and the "strategy of deception" was Ace's clear example as the most successful player. This is even noticeable, because as soon as Michinaga disappeared, teamwork immediately improved, although the very installation of the Desastar game implies more conflicts. Well, the presence of a dubious quality of personalities, like Dapan and Merry, did not help either, although in general it had little effect. So, although the DGP has had an effect, it is also not worth negating the impact of the personal shortcomings of the riders. Also, as far as I know, most of the participants in real reality shows are not exactly role models either. At least if they are remembered after the end of their show, then most often because of some bad deeds. |
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Besides, these Riders literally light up in the darkness. :p I would also have more faith in the main 5 of Geats than like 95% of the characters in Revice or Gaim. Even Ryuki had Shinji, Ren, Yui and Tezuka. |
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Hongo wanted a normal life and to continue university/participate in bike racing, but had to put others first when he became a Rider. Literally every Rider series is about the main hero putting their desires aside for others. I would even go so far as to say that every Rider series to date (although Geats' is debatable, but the show isn't finished yet so it doesn't really count), has had a pivotal moment in which the Rider has to set aside their personal wants in order to achieve what objectively needed to be done. |
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I think what sets Kamen Rider apart from other super heroes is the acknowledgement that the ideology of "Heroism" and "Justice" can be corrupted and misappropriated for evil. In the height of WWII, every participating country had their heroes, but it wasn't until it ended that those same heroes were now war criminals on the basis of having lost the war. You win the war, you become the heroes through control of the narrative.
Although it may seem less so today, I think Ishinomori didn't want to concern himself with heroes and rather advocated for nature, life, and peace. Kamen Rider is about characters with heart and soul that typically manifests itself as compassion for other living things; and the solemn sadness of being forced to sometimes end lives to save lives. There's an absolutely beautiful moment in Black Sun that reminds us of this notion where the Creation King breaks free from his captors and slaughters everyone in the room. When Minami and Akizuki confront the horrors of the scene, one of them exclaims: Is he crying?. |
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I suppose another in-universe take on how "justice" as an ideal can be twisted is with the Yummy from OOO Ep. 21.
Born from a guy who wants to change things, but his desire and his Yummy don't seem to care how far they go or who they end up hurting. https://www.kamen-rider-official.com/zukan/phantoms/582 |
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Even in the Showa Era, there are examples of protagonists becoming Riders for their own sake. Shirou asked Hongo and Ichimonji to make him a Remodified Human so he could get revenge on Scissors Jaguar for killing his family. Jo tricked Black Satan in to making him a Remodified Human so he could get revenge on them for killing his brother. They fight for humanity as well, but it was still their personal desires that set them on the lonely yet heroic path of Kamen Rider. Quote:
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So that later these parents become riders in order to get a daughter corresponding to them. Yet we have seen how much Neon wants love, but have not yet seen how much she loves. Plus, does she really need parental love? That is, the parents are to blame that Neon lacks love, but still she is already an adult woman. A bit too late to catch up. Quote:
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But then who will protect the smiles of the kaijins? https://bbts1.azureedge.net/images/p...a38011a47e.jpg |
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