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These quizzes were fun, but honestly, on rewatch, they?re kind of a chore to pay attention to.
Anyway, the answers to the last quiz were B, C and A. So now it?s time for the final quiz, which covers the 90s Rider movies. Our three main Riders in order: Masked Rider Shin Name: Shin Kazamatsuri Bike: N/A Transformation item: N/A Attacks: Shin Rider Kick, High Vibe Nail, Spine Cutter Enemy: Institute of Super Science First opponent: Cyborg Soldier Level 3 Kamen Rider ZO Name: Masaru Aso Bike: Z-Bringer Transformation item: N/A Attacks: ZO Punch, ZO Kick Enemy: Doras First Enemy: Koumori Man Kamen Rider J Name: Koji Segawa Bike: J-Crosser Transformation item: J-Spirit Special attacks: Rider Kick, Rider Punch, Rider Elbow Enemy: Fog Mother First opponent: Agito (no, not that one) And for the questions. Kamen Rider J?s actor Yuta Mochizuki is known for playing TyrannoRanger in Kyoryu Sentai Zyuranger. But what other Toku hero is Shin?s actor known for? A) B-Fighter Genji B) Ultraman Hikari C) Voicelugger Gold In early concept art, ZO would?ve received upgrade parts based on past Riders. What would he have received from Amazon?s power? A) jaws B) claws C) a fin? Kamen Rider J is known for his ability to grow giant to battle larger foes. But which of these has he not battled in a later appearance? A) Shadow Moon B) King Dark C) Terror Macrow D) Insert joke answer here. |
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A) B-Fighter Genji B) Ultraman Hikari C) Voicelugger Gold In early concept art, ZO would?ve received upgrade parts based on past Riders. What would he have received from Amazon?s power? A) jaws B) claws C) a fin? Kamen Rider J is known for his ability to grow giant to battle larger foes. But which of these has he not battled in a later appearance? A) Shadow Moon B) King Dark C) Terror Macrow D) Insert joke answer here. Poor Shin not getting any questions dedicated to him. Well, not that I mind as that's the only 90s Rider movie I haven't watched yet. Quote:
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Well having gone back and looked through all the quizzes
Ichigou: Die got 0 points, Shi got 3 points. Nigou: Die: 1, Shi: 1 V3: Die: 1, Shi: 1 Switchblade:D Riderman: Die: 1, Shi: 3 X: Die: 2, Shi: 2 Amazon: 2, Shi: 3 Stronger: Die: 2, Shi: 3 Skyrider: Die: 2, Shi: 2 Super-1: Die: 1, Shi: 1 ZX: Die: 0, Switchblade: D, Shi: 1 Black/RX: Shi: 2, Die: 2 And the answers to the final quiz are B, A and C, which gives both regulars one point each. Die has a total of 15 points, while Shi has 23. The answer to who won should be clear. |
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KAMEN RIDER X KAMEN RIDER WIZARD & FOURZE: MOVIE WAR ULTIMATUM (DIRECTOR’S CUT)
originally posted on December 24th, 2021, as part of “Kamen Rider Die rewatches Legend Rider projects (and more!)” https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/...ultimatum1.png I think, at the end of the day, I appreciate what these two stories were trying to say. They’re both broadly about getting out of the way for the next generation. It’s a theme that fits Fourze a little better, which is why the Fourze section is a little more thematically-grounded. The Kaijin Alliance are a group of kids who are horrified by what the previous generation has left for them, and pessimistic on their own chances for happiness. Gentarou’s story is centered on his need to step back and let that next generation see that they’re in control of their own destinies, rather than operating at the whims of manipulative scientists or over-protective teachers. The only way the next generation can become the best versions of themselves is when they feel like their future is truly in their hands. The Wizard section sort of hits on the same issues, where Poitrine is a character that disregards her responsibilities to indulge her own desires. She should be a guardian of children, but she’s too wrapped up in her deferred dreams to be of much real help. Her story is one of adulthood, the realization that you eventually need to be okay with how your life turned out and find some way to help the next generation along. It’s a sort of Wizard take on Fourze’s themes of growing up, where Poitrine’s depression and need to relive her childhood dreams risks destroying the people around here. That’s unique ground for a Kamen Rider movie to cover, because it has a kind of maturity to it. It’s a story for the adults in the audience. Or, at least, it’s a story more about the adult anxieties of the production team. This whole movie is about how to protect children, and when to step back from protecting them, and how to live with the idea that it’s someone else’s turn. That’s nothing a kid is ever going to care about. It’s a perspective that only comes with age, and that makes for an interesting Kamen Rider movie. Thematically, I think this movie has a lot to recommend it. Narratively and structurally, though… um. The Fourze section has the roughest patch in it, where, again, I appreciate what it’s trying to say. Saburou is a villain who’s just lashing out from loneliness, and he needs someone his own age to tell him he’s worth befriending. It’s just, it’s a resolution that’s asking everyone around Saburou to bend over backwards to make him feel better, when he barely does anything to warrant it. It needs Miyoppe – who is victimized by Saburou – to ask for Saburou’s forgiveness for… I’m not even sure what? It’s Saburou who’s constantly harassing and endangering her, while she’s solely focused on her own goals and activities. It’s like she’s being penalized for not thinking enough about how the surly asshole in her class is feeling, selfishly focusing on her own happiness, and it’s gross? It’s a little gross, the way she’s made to bear responsibility for her bully. It’s preaching a moral that wants to say Sometimes Mean People Just Need Compassion, but it definitely comes off as Maybe You Had It Coming. Not a fan of that! The other big thing that people are probably going to kick about from the Fourze part of this movie is Gentarou throwing away his Fourze Driver, and I’m of two minds on it. On the one hand, it’s completely the sort of Big Dumb Gesture that Gentarou would make. He’s someone who is very focused on the current interaction, and he’ll gladly toss away everything Fourze accomplished if it means getting through to one struggling teenager. On the other hand, the plot immediately shows what a short-sighted maneuver this is, since Gentarou needs to borrow a Fourze Driver if he’s going to save the world. There’s some obvious calculus here, about the needs of the many versus the needs of the one, and I get why Gentarou throwing away an apocalypse-averting piece of gear would bother folks. I think it works for the character, but I wish it was being done for a kid who maybe deserved it more? Gentarou’s throwing away a hero that saved millions of lives for a grumpy bully who’s making himself the victim. I don’t love that trade? The Wizard section… boy. I really loved about 99% of it. The idea of Poitrine drawing strength from her love of toku, but needing to find a healthy way to incorporate it into her adult life? YES. Relatable! But, wow, to sort of it toss it all aside for a Gay Panic joke? When (and I know this was never going to happen in a million years) you actually have a sort of poignant trans metaphor to work with, something that could speak to a whole group of kids watching toku that never thought they’d get a chance to see something that spoke to their experience or perspective? It’s heartbreaking. It’s a great story about identity and expression and how hard it can be to not see yourself in the stories you love and how we get to pull the parts we want out of toku to make something just for us and how being an adult means keeping some of that love for toku out of sight… and then you find out its written by someone who thinks gay people are a joke, and that sucks. It super sucks. Those disappointments aside, I think the movie works okay. It’s a Sakamoto joint, so the action is top-notch. (Folks complained about his male-gaze-y direction before, but this was the movie where I found it too distracting. Every girl in a skirt needed a close-up and slow-mo shot of her twirling skirt! There were a bunch of Nadeshiko butt bumps! Inga Blink was perpetually glistening!) Every Heisei Phase 2 Rider makes a return appearance, even if it’s just the main hero suit and zero dialogue. Eiji’s here, because Eiji’s cool. We get modern-day refreshes on classic Ishinomori characters. There’s a massive Mad Max-esque vehicle fight that lasts about as long as a Mad Max movie. It’s a gigantic action film with a ton of cool-looking characters, whatever its other failings. I wish I liked this movie more. There are ideas and themes that I think are smart and original, but the execution tells me that the writers didn’t know what they had. Good attempt, bad follow-through. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/...ultimatum2.png — NOT QUITE FIVE YEARS LATER https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/...ultimatuma.png Okay, let’s just do some quick hits because I watched this movie again, sat down to write about how I liked its take on ceding the stage for a next generation and how that dovetailed sweetly with the defeat of Gamou, and then I found out I wrote basically the same thing in 2022, minus the Gamou part. -I guess that’s one of the things that was nice about watching this movie again, after also watching the series, because it feels like a real epilogue to the final episode, more than anything with newly-revealed foes or snazzy kit-bashed suits or catching up with space girlfriends. It’s Gentarou trying to learn from Gamou specifically, and create room for the next generation to work their stuff out with safety and support. (Also, man, after Gamou’s scheme, Gentarou should have zero tolerance for Bamba’s plan of manipulating emotionally-unstable teenagers to power-up a strange device!) It’s a story that’s really just about Gentarou learning to turn his teenage enthusiasm into adult guidance, and be the kind of comforting and heroic presence that Gamou could’ve been, if only someone had shown him the way in time. That’s sweet. -Unfortunately, it doesn’t leave a ton of room for the KRC as a group? With so much of the Fourze section given over to the new kids, we're allowed one Getting The Club Back Together montage, and then some traditional club activities (fighting monsters), and that’s sort of it? I know that asking for a Trio Of Deep Sin-esque examination of friends drifting apart into adulthood is too much to ask for a Sakamoto-directed superhero movie -slash- leg show, but it’s a bit of a bummer that we got a movie that focused on Gentarou’s journey at the expense of, like, the Club’s bond. I liked what we got, but I’m not thrilled with what we gave up to get it. -Did I seriously not talk about the Ishinomori Insanity of it all originally? Poitrine! Inazuman! Akumaizer 3! I didn’t watch any of those show, so I don’t really care about the historical background of the characters, but I think it’s neat to shovel in so many Ishinomori creations – that said, I would’ve WAY preferred that Toei have done it via a Taisen flick, since (again) all these extra characters don’t leave a lot of room for our Legend and current casts to carry the story. -Kind of fun to see Sakamoto do a sort of Movie Trilogy for Fourze! This movie acts as a capper for a string that starts in the previous year’s crossover movie and runs through the summer film, bringing back Nadeshiko, Rocket States, Inga Blink, XV-2, the Fusion Switch, and somehow finding a few seconds to canonize the Amazon HBV?! It’s mildly unnecessary, but I like that Nakashima and Sakamoto went to the trouble. -It bears repeating: maybe the most egregious Sakamoto Gaze project for Kamen Rider? The Miu/Rumi stuff is cringe-y, sure, and the Nadeshiko butt bumps are done three times too often, but there is an establishing shot for a scene set in the Akumaizers’ truck realm that starts on Poitrine’s thighs. My dude! Even Quentin Tarantino would say you are indulging your fetish a little too much as a director! -Finally, there’s a shot in the back half of the movie where Fourze and Wizard do the Friendship Handshake, and it occurred to me that – assuming Takaiwa is Wizard in any scenes featuring both Fourze and Wizard – this was probably the first time where Takaiwa was on the receiving end of the Friendship Handshake. That kind of blew my mind a bit, and it had to have been a little jarring for him as a performer. Talk about getting out of the way for the next generation! https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/...ultimatumb.png |
The two biggest things I'll ever remember from this movie:
1. Gentaro throwing his best friend into molten steel. 2. The Director's Cut going on for an eternity. |
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2. I definitely skipped the Wizard section this time, because a) I'll be watching this movie again early next year, and b) I would like to finish this thread before May. |
My single favorite moment in this film is still the moment when future Gentarou shows up in front of past Gentarou and the latter briefly freaks out before immediately handing over the Fourze driver. Love the immediate mood switch.
I really have to wonder how the casting for the monster kids. "We need a hot girl, a dude who looks like a big fat gorilla, and a dude who looks like a weaselly little rat." I cannot shake the image of the latter two's agent(s) calling them up and saying "Okay, so the good news is that I have a perfect role for you in the next Kamen Rider movie..." Fun thing I didn't realize when I watched this last time: the gorilla and rat kids showed up for a cameo alongside Ohsugi in the Fourze/Faiz episodes of Zi-O. Quote:
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All I remember about this is that the original pitch had Wizard getting pregnant and the assembled Riders playing baseball.
In all honesty, I wasn’t really a fan of new Inazuman, since he seemed a bit too unlikeable. And then I saw that the actor was in two Sentai shows Tsukada worked on, and I wasn’t keen on his roles in either show (to the point he isn’t getting the main feature, that’s how much I dislike the actor). That said, I did like him more in Taisen Z, mostly because they just wrote him as the original Inazuman, but he calls Fourze “Sensei”. |
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But I'm watching this movie, and there's a scene where Miyoppe calls him a monster, and Saburou's like SEE SHE THINKS I'M A MONSTER, and we're maybe supposed to take it as her judging his slimy carapace, but all I was thinking was about how he's loudly and repeatedly said he's going to blow up Yuuki's reentry capsule, partially to hurt Miyoppe emotionally, and I think it's sort of fair for Miyoppe to not feel like extending a ton of apologetic kindness to this kid right this second? I think it's okay for a sneering, homicidal creep to not be treated as the victim. (My ideal for redemption stories is Gavv: You give a villain -- deranged or misguided or committed, whichever -- a chance to stop what they're doing, and reform their lives right now. If they take that chance to change, the fight's over and they can get the help they need. They keep fighting, then that's tragic, but they didn't take the next best step to get better, so this is the consequence of that.) |
THREAD WRAP-UP
https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/fourze/threada1.png And that’s it for “Kamen Rider Die rewatches Kamen Rider Fourze”! It’s like Tomoko says up there: it was really nice to spend a few months with the characters in Fourze. It’s a fun show, which is literally the first way I described it back in January when this thread started, and it’s still the best way to describe it dozens and dozens of posts later. There’s a youthful energy to this show and its cast that’s unmatched across 55 years (and counting) of the Kamen Rider franchise, and it made me feel young again to watch it. It was also very fun to rewatch it here on the boards, alongside all of you. Fourze’s a show about friendship and support, and I will always appreciate the folks who took a moment or two over the last four months to share their thoughts on the show, or say some kind words about a post, or just goof around about things. I genuinely consider you all friends, and I like getting to hang out with you on the boards a few times each year. Along those lines, this is going to be it for me for a little while until the next thread. This thread is yours to enjoy, so feel to continue chatting about the kids of Amanogawa High for as long as you’d like. I’ll be back in the late-summer/early-fall (August? September?) with my Magical Girl thread, “Kamen Rider Die watches Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon”! (And… yes, I know that DreamSword has been watching this and writing about it for a few months. You should definitely go read that now, because it’s bound to be more thoughtful and distinctive than what I’m going to come up with. I hate for it to look like I’m stepping on any toes, but I planned in 2023 to be watching this show after Fourze, and I’m still really looking forward to it. I don’t know anything about the Sailor Moon franchise, and the Kobayashi of it all has me really intrigued. I’m sorry it’s coming so hot on the heels of DreamSword’s take, but rest assured that mine will be a pale imitation at best. Also, probably the exact opposite of DreamSword’s opinions!) Thanks again to everyone who stopped by to chat about Fourze! Miu says it best, like she says everything the best: https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/fourze/threadb1.png |
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I'll also apologize now for not being in that thread, since -- like 99% of anime DreamSword watches:p -- it's a show I'm not familiar enough with to contribute much to the discussion. |
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(I don't want to jump too far ahead, but, I hope I'm wrong about that? Wizard's always been a show in my head where I remember the things I didn't like about it more than the things I did like, which is both not how I usually leave shows, and also a total bummer. I'd like to find more to love about it this time!) |
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Uh, I mean, yeah, that guy only watches shows that are clearly fake. Like, who's even heard of half the stuff he talks about? Jeez. |
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Well I didn’t comment much on the other guy’s PGSM watch, since I was going through my own at the time, and it got slightly delayed by issues with the site I was downloading from. Now that I’ve gone through a rewatch, I’ll probably have more to say.
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