FT, that is exactly what I needed/wanted. Thank you. I think I'll start with more 1/144 scale before moving on to MG. Just hoping they don't have the same quality as the Wing figures.

If you want a good Wing Gundam, get the HGAC (High Grade After Colony) Wing Gundam or Wing Gundam Zero. They're both great modern kits.

They don't. HGs have greatly improved since the 90s. I think the old ones from that time can be fun for easy quick builds, but they don't come anywhere close to modern HGs. I would highly suggest getting some of these if you want some great HG building experiences:

HGUC RX-78-2 Gundam (Revive)/HGUC Gundam Mk.II (Revive)
HGUC F91 Gundam
HGUC RX-93 nu Gundam
HGBF Try Burning Gundam
HGBF Wing Gundam Fenice

Not all kits require stickers or paint. It's very case-by-case, usually depending on the design. For example the RX-78-2 Revive needs only a sticker for the eyes and forehead camera, but the HG Barbatos (which is far more complex) needs a lot of stickers. Both kits came out near the same time as each other. And even then the Revive RX-78-2 has it's eyes sculpted in trans yellow plastic, but lacks the black lining so it looks more like a Soundwave-style visor than seperate eyes.

The Wing kits you describe are ancient. Modern day HGs actually have partial or sometimes full inner frames, and far sturdier construction with far better sculpts and parts seperation. (so less or no need for paint)

I also recommend the HGAC Wing Gundam, or the Revive RX-78-2. That'll show the difference time has made to the design of kits. The HGAC Wing Gundam is not even a very recent kit, but it's still great. Also, the Gundams in Wing were smaller than your average Gundam, so once you branch out into the UC or recent IBO kits, they'll not only seem far superior in quality, but in size. In fact, while I've only collected Wing suits in 1/100 MG, but have collected UC mostly in HG 1/144, I have some High Grades the same size or bigger as my Wing Master Grades.

There's high grade, 1/144 scale, which is where the most kits release in and are cheaper, but not a lot of detail. There's Master grade, 1/100 scale, more detail, more parts, better articulation, accessories. And gthen there's master grade, 1/60th scale. Out of the hundreds of mobile suits out there, only a select few ever become Perfect grades. With hundreds of parts, innovative new features, they are top of the line.

There's also Real Grade, which is in 1/144 scale, they are much more expensive and detailed then their high grade counterparts. They come out semi-frequently.

I can understand patience being your issue. It takes a lot of time to get good at it, almost like a skill, which some people don't want from their collectibles lol.

Yeah, High grades have gotten a lot better over the past 15-20 years.

The one I'm looking to get a decent set of is Talgeese or really Sandrock. Either EW or the show version. Wing itself does nothing for me, honestly. Design sacrificed for transformation.

F91 definitely from that list. I love that Gundam, so that's the one I think I'll look for first.

Yea, I keep forgetting they were made almost twenty years ago now. My experience with modern HG kits are limited. What really caught my attention are the Build Fighter stuff, because I like the idea of customizable models. But I definitely would like getting my hands on a Revive RX-78-2.

You'll have to either go with the MGs (which are all the Endless Waltz designs) or the Robot Damashiis (which feature the TV versions for the other Gundams and mobile suits). Sadly Bandai has yet to continue the HGAC line and give us updated kits for the other suits. I'm still (impatiently) waiting for a new TV Deathscythe HG.

It goes for pretty damn cheap to. I got mine a year ago on Amazon for $11 with Prime and it usually hovers in the $15 range. Great quick build. The play ability is amazing too. Alternate parts which swap out easy, including an extra face to give the kit the old sort of derp big eyed look as well as an extra faceplate for when it sort of has a mouth. Seriously, great kit which I think is better than the MG. Now if only we'd get new HGs of the other F91 and F90 suits.

So I got done watching RE:0096 and I can tell you the first episode is literally near the exact same as the OVA. I think there might have been a couple seconds of new fight footage spliced in when the Jegans go after Garcineras, but my memory with Unicorn is hazy at best.

Watched 6-13 today for 00. I thought 6-11 were great and the Virtue is now my favorite Gundam of the show thanks to its awesome looking mode. On the other hand, the two parter that dealt with the middle east was all right. Not much really happened and the princess is so delusional and naive that I wish she would just die already. She's not Relena bad, but she is getting there.

Marina's probably the most forgettable things about 00. Whenever I think about the show, I always tend to forget about her and her arc, despite taking up a fair amount of screentime. She's not Relena bad, but she's just sorta there.

You might like the Fenice or Rinascita if you think the normal Wing is too basic looking.

Word of advice: if this is your first kit get the white version the blue one has a lot more stickers.

If you like Build Fighters and customizability is what you want I'd suggest the Leopard Da Vinci if you want the Gundam aesthetic or the Kampfer Amazing if you'd prefer the Zeonic look.

you know what boggles my mind about Gundam Unicorn RE:0096? And it's some what minor.

I'm curious as to why the TV anime is using a soundtrack from one of Gundam's Unicorns OVA album as the ED, when they made a new OP song for the TV anime.

Huh....

If that's a "Huh" as in, "I didn't know that"

Or if its a "huh" as in "What is this dude talking about"

Then the ED song Bloody f8 is from one of Unicorns OVA album called UnChild.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj2QYNO4V1s

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/DFCL-2072

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UQw2-Cm4Do...0/45436546.jpg

Anyways still fun fact, I guess.

Kampfer Amazing, I love Zeon suits. One of my all time favorite suits is Lunimaria Hawke's Zaku from SEED Destiny.

The only one i don't have from this list is the HGUC RX782 Revive, I can tell you right now that the bottom four are pretty fun kit though the F91 is a bit on the small side.

Personally, if we're talking about this list I'd go for the Try Burning. The posability is great, plus plenty of effect parts.

Zeta Gundam Movie 1 - I felt like I was watching Zeta Gundam Abridged, but they forgot the comedy. Seriously, this movie is put together by someone with ADHD. Nothing makes any sense and scenes are just stitched together just because. Like one scene Lila is talking to Jerid, she turns the corner, and around the corner her space suit is on. WTF? None of this makes any sense and they introduce Kamille already being interrogated and introduce Fa finding her mom, but never do we see the two have a proper introduction, nor do they even meet up until more than halfway through the movie. How is the audience supposed to care about them when they don't even know them unless they have already seen the series? But then, if you have seen the series, there is no point to these movies. So who the hell was the target audience? Why does this even need to be a thing?

Okay, okay, fine, yes, this was my introduction to Zeta, but I went out and bought the series 2 days after watching these movies because I was completely lost. I have not watched them since the week they came out on DVD and now I remember why. Man, I wish I had sold them off when they were actually worth something. At this point, I might as well give them away. Anyway, yes, I'm gong to watch the other two because I'm an idiot, but also because I feel compelled to do so. The new animation looks pretty nice, if it was on its own and not mixed in with the old animation. It just makes no sense why they made newly animated scenes that are pretty much identical to the old scene, especially the fight at the end of the movie. It's just a recreation of the original footage, but in computer generated animation that is out of place. Why? Why not just make an entirely new animated movie? Ugh, too many questions.

To be fair, in scale, I think the F91 is a smaller/sleeker suit.

Yep all the 90s Gundams are smaller around 15-16 meters tall instead of the typical 18.

So somebody did find a difference between the OVA and Tv version of Unicorn so far. They redrew Banagher's hand.

Zeta Gundam Movie II - OH DEAR LORD!!! That was down right atrocious. This movie encompasses episodes 15-32 and it shows. Everyone is back in space by the half hour point, making everything irrelevant that even happened on Earth. Fourth has absolutely no character development whatsoever and her relationship with Kamille makes no sense because of it. If you just blink you might have missed an important scene because there is no pacing whatsoever. This feels like something Zack Snyder would have pieced together. The new animation continues to be out of place, but the worst part is that barely any of it even deals with the Zeta Gundam itself here.

Wow, that is just silly. Sure, the new hand looks way better, but that was a completely unnecessary alteration.

I'm trying to watch the UC stuff in order right now, so I'm probably going to hold off on watching this version of Unicorn until both volumes of ZZ is out and I watch CCA.

Wait what?Isn't the whole point of these movies the completely redone animation?

Are you telling me they didn't actually redo everything but are just haphazardly stitching new footage with old footage like a badly edited Power Ranger season?

It's not "haphazard." Nor is it a movie. It's a TV edit of the Unicorn OVA.

Christ in a bucket, it's either one farcical extreme or the other with fans.

Like seriously, you guys don't know how crochety and miserable you read from the outside looking in.

A lot of fandoms are like that:lol

I'm surprised there's so many people butthurt over Unicorn Re:0096's first episode. Why? We kinda knew Sunrise had to get this show together kinda quickly to cover their asses over a failing show in a timeslot they want to keep.

Agreed.

But like, even I know how stuffy and picky and piggapig I can be, but it's like they have no filter. The idea of of edited (IMPROVED at a that) animation and it's "pointless" or "haphazardly stitched together." Like just spewing vitrol is a default response before thinking "hey, maybe this is okay?"

How about it's just nicer anaimation? Granted I'd never think it possible to improve Unicorn's animation, but if they can why not? It's not like Unicorn is some ancient cult classic being rebooted by Hollywood execs, it's getting edited for TV by the very people who made it to start. Hell, any other company editting anything for TV would just mercilessly chop up the OVA into 22 minute segments and be done with it, but they're actually adding new animation to it to work as a TV series. They give a shit about the product they're making and want ti to be the best it can be. How is that a bad thing?

You mean the failing TV show that's getting a second season because it's so popular?

I thought that it was obvious I was referring to the Zeta movies since Kain said the new footage looked out of place.

I thought he was talking about the Zeta movies, not Unicorn.

Yellow Ranger, yes, the Zeta movies are just compilation movies. The first movie takes footage from episodes 1-14, the second movie includes episodes 15-32, and the third movie is 33-50. They did make new scenes to bridge some of the footage together, but it just looks weird, especially when you will have a 5 second shot of new footage, then 10 seconds of old footage, and then 10 seconds of new footage, etc. Also, the character models look weird at times and Kamille's hair is more green.

I thought it was about re:0096 because he didn't edit out your comment on it when he quoted it, and logically I assumed he would've been referring to the latest comment in your post.

IBO? I was referring to Brave Beats, the show that Unicorn replaced. Because from what I understand, Brave Beats was a Sunrise animated kids show that was bombing so badly, and Sunrise had to get something out to fill the timeslot. Hence why we have Re:0096.

All right, so I finished the first season to 00 and wow, what a great show that was. If the second season is as good as the first, this may end up being in my top 5 Gundam series list. If not, well, it will still end up in the top 10, but still. I'm not sure which of the four pilots I like the most anymore because they all have had some great development and arcs. On the other hand, some of the secondary characters that died in the end didn't seem all that impactful to me since it wasn't like I had spent 50 episodes with them. I also feel the show could have benefitted from a true villain, but nevertheless, there was a lot of great stuff here. The animation and music were nice and I thought the Trinity were pretty badass. Poor Saji though. My god that guy got royally ****ed up. I hope he serves a bigger purpose to the main plot of the second season though because I felt his arc didn't really serve a purpose here. However, the most pointless character is hands down the princess. Thankfully she wasn't in the show as much in the second half, but still, she was kind of annoying with how idiotic she was in thinking everything would be fine. Overall, the season was quite solid and I didn't see some of the outcomes coming (well, the Allejulah one was easily predictable), which was also great. Tomorrow I will be starting Season 2.

Saji will play a much bigger role in season 2, I can tell you that. But yeah, it did suck that Alejandro Coriner was kind of a let down. His suit didn't even become a kit! But he's kind of a stepping stone for the true villain of 00.

TBH I like 00's first season largely because it's not like a typical Gundam series it's like a better done Wing in my opinion.

Zeta Gundan Movie III - So this movie is supposed to encompass episodes 33-50, but in reality, it is 33, 34, 43-47, 49, and 50. Oh, and a scene from episode 41. Yes, you read that right. They pretty much don't even bother to use footage from half of the episodes the movie covers. They never go back to Earth, the Psycho Gundam is never seen again, making it completely irrelevant to have even been in these movies in the first place, Rosammy never appears, yet, she still shows up in spirit before Kamille during the final battle, and Haman joins with the Titans for maybe 7 minutes. Oh, and Reccoa does what she does for no reason. None of it makes any sense. Even worse is the cop out of a generic happy ending that takes away all meaning the ending of the series symbolized. It makes it impossible for ZZ to occur, which pretty much makes it kick off an alternate UC timeline that we did not need nor asked for. The funniest part was there was a scene where everyone is battling, escapes, and then it cuts to Mineva looking out a window and the Zeta with a white flag takes off from Haman's ship with the Quebeley. THe editing is extremely poor and I'm done talking about it.

In the end, my score for the trilogy is a 4/10 stars. If you want to know my score for the movies individually, they are 5, 4, and 3/10 as they just kept getting worse and worse as they go along. I have no idea how someone of Tomino's stature could fail so hard on this and get progressively worse with each installment, but he found a way to do it. If you have never seen Zeta before, don't waste you time on this recycled knock-off and go for the real thing. If you have seen the series before, you have no reason to waste nearly 5 hours of your life on this trash.

You might be right about that. Setsuna is like Heero, but with way more character development and I'm only halfway through the show.

EDIT:

We watched the first 16 episodes to Season 2 of OO. Okay, first off, I need to say this. I just realized it was Double O, not Double Zero. I've been pronouncing it as Double Zero since the show first came out in Japan as I never heard them ever speak the show's name. I just thought people said Double O just like how they pronounce 007 as Double O 7.

Anyway, this season has been pretty damn awesome so far. The story just keeps building up and the characters are just getting more complex as it goes along. Well, most of them. I'm a little bit mad that three big antagonist "deaths" of the first season turned out to be false due to them having their character shields up to the max. That was pretty lame especially the way two of them went out. Not a fan of Bushido because he hasn't really done anything but show up and run away. That aside, everything else is so great here. The A-Law is pretty much this universes Titans and boy do they live up to it. They are just total assholes, but I do love seeing regular soldiers that aren't willing to bow down to their "superiority." If what I think is about to happen in the next episode, holy **** that is going to be awesomely tragic.

As for the Gundams themselves, the OO is hands down my favorite Gundam of this show now with the new Lock-On's in second.

And with that so ends the great and amazing 00. The rest of the second season was utterly fantastic and I didn't feel like anything ended poorly. All plotlines seemed to have been resolved and it is one of the most conclusive endings I have ever seen from a Gundam show.

And then comes the movie. Where do I start? Okay, it was still pretty good, but I don't feel it needed to be 2 hours long. That and Gundam and aliens are like seamen and women, they don't mix. I don't know why, but it just didn't work for me. The movie was quite enjoyable nonetheless as it was interesting to see something new done to the franchise. The movie also redeemed Graham and Billy for me. It was also nice to see how the world was after the second season ended. I can't hate this movie at all because it acts as a nice continuation without damaging the ending we got with the TV series, but it did feel like it wasn't something that was initially planned. Nevertheless, it was an enjoyable piece to send off the franchise and I am glad to have finally see it.

Overall, Gundam 00 as a whole was a fantastic entry into the Gundam franchise and I do have to say that this may be my favorite of the non-UC timelines thus far (I do still need to see X and more than 7 episodes to Turn A). The animation was gorgeous, the characters were well written, developed quite strongly, and they never went into emo territory. It was also nice that they brought something new to the franchise and were not afraid to not follow the structure of the past. My only complaint is that the Gundams never lasted long enough to really get attached to them. Oh, and the dub was down right excellent. I was also watching the promos and other goodies in the Extras that were subbed only and nearly every voice sounded identical to the English counterpart, so Ocean Group really did an outstanding job with this one. This may even be their best dub ever. I give the entire series a solid 9/10 stars.

On to my first viewing of Gundam Wing in 6 years!!

Oh yeah, holy crap, this show featured an entire family that stayed alive through the entire thing. I don't think that has ever happened before in the history of Gundam!!

Something about season 1 I really like is the structure of the show changes as it goes on. The first few episodes are very episodic with some plot carryover.Intervene in this area, cause this change, etc. Then you get into the longer intervention arcs and then the focus of the show changes.

Dr Kain, I am glad you like 00. It really is a magnificent series that pays homage to the past yet does something new, has deep characters, a fleshed out world and great MS fights. The universe is damn near perfect to me, and aside from a prequel, showing some of the motivations of the Innovades and further fleshing out the world, I don't want Sunrise to ever dabble in that universe again.

So I watched the first disc (1-5) to Gundam Wing and I've decided that I'm going to try to react as if I have never seen the show before just to make it a bit easier to describe my thoughts on what I watch. Plus, like I have said before, it has been six years since I watched the show last, which was well before I watched Zeta, ZZ, and 00. Anyway, the show is off to a slow start. The Gundam pilots have been introduced and so far, only Duo leaves any sort of impression. The rest are mediocre at best to no personality at all. The Deathscythe is freaking awesome though while the Wing Gundam is clearly a Zeta Gundam wannabe. The other three exist. Zechs "I'm totally not Char" Marquise is pretty one dimensional so far, but what is confusing is how he says no one has ever survived a Gundam confrontation before, but how is that even possible when Gundams have never existed yet? How would he know this? Treize doesn't seem all that great right now either. The worst of the batch though are Relena and an-Noin-ing as they are just terrible. Relena needs to just die while Noin is way too obsessed in her own little universe of naivety. The best aspect of the show is hands down the music. Unfortunately, being that the disc is from 2000 (my first anime DVD ever), it looks atrocious on a HDTV. In fact, this show really needs to be remastered as its animation looks inferior that the animation of Zeta Gundam, which was 10 years prior.

Okay, with that said this is also the first time I am watching the show dubbed since DVD Volume 5 came out and the main character voices match pretty well with their Japanese counterparts. The third string characters though kind of suck. Thankfully, the script itself is pretty accurate for the most part and Scott McNeil is just as perfect as Duo as Toshihiko Seki. David Kaye also does a great job with Treize while Brian Drummond is no Takehito Koyasu.

Huh.. I never thought of that before. Why does Zechs know what a Gundam is? According to the show's lore, the Wing Zero was the first one designed, not built, with each of the scientists going off to design thier own less powerful version for Operation Meteor. So there really was no way to know. Even if Zechs knew about the Wing Zero's existance, I don't think it was built until much later.

Yeah, that was quite funny because I have seen this show 22 times before and this was the first time I ever even thought about that.

I was browsing through the gunpla subreddit and I found someone using a GM III with posable hands. Turns out, there's a compnay that sells articulated 1/144 hands standalone.

http://hlj.com/product/YLSPPC-TN85/Sci