I initially liked him, but everyone's focus involved him in some way and it became a bit much as the season went on.

I guess we're just gonna have to wait and see then, won't we?

Oh, I am not trying to skew your view of Daigo in any way. My daughter loves him, she has everyone call her King because of him (she understood when everyone called him King). So if you like him, then cool, but my opinion is that it was a bit too much of him.

I don't really mind Daigo and I never had a problem with him being the main focus. I mean, we had so much Red Focus in almost every season in the last years since Boukenger or something, it's not that special in Kyoryuger...

Except in those other series they still felt like a team. Kyoryuger might as well have been called Daigo and his Merry Maid Squad. They were so useless they didn't even participate in the final fight.

That's a tad unfair. Most people liked Daigo at the start, but the overwhelming focus on him and his complete lack of flaws is what turned the tides. People don't complain about him because they didn't like him.

I always liked Daigo, and I like how he brings out the best in his teammates. The show is very much King Sentai Daigoger, but I think that's by design. I think a lot of fans have very ossified demands from Sentai, and when a show deviates, they revolt. But different doesn't always mean bad...

How is this different? Damn near every Sentai is basically the Red hero's story. The only thing Kyoryu does differently is that the series takes it another step further by not giving anyone else a story arc. Just story snippets.

It's different because Daigo is more a force of nature than a character, and he facilitates the growth of the others. I also think it's pretty unfair to say none of them have character arcs.

Souji gains the respect of, and then surpasses, his father.
Ian lets go of the vendetta that defined his adulthood.
Nossan learns to stop being overprotective of his family.
Utchy goes from arrogant loner to trusted teammate.
Amy... Well... Amy is an vacuous cypher with nothing to offer. I'll give you that.

I recognize that Kyoryuger may not be the best-ever Sentai series, but that's more due to junk like Ovirapoo and constant toy shilling than lack of character development.

The only one I feel that has any true story was Souji. Ian's story was a footnote, Utchy's story about accepting his team was resolved two episodes after he was introduced, and I can't really remember Nossan's. For me, Souji's growth of getting his father's acceptance as well as growing as a swordsman was the only story that got any time devoted to it and weren't just footnotes in Daigo's personal carnival.

Ian stopped being developed after the episode where he learned sadness was the one who killed his friend.

Ami had no story arcs whatsoever. She just suddenly was in love with Daigo and then Daigo suddenly loved her in the last episode.

Nossan was the best character in the show for his personality, but he had no story arcs at all.

Uchy had one arc, which was done after he joined the team.

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Well, to be fair here, the Kyoryugers DID have some more backstory than for example GekiYellow and GekiBlue. Oh and GekiChopper. That guy sure got the short end of the stick when it comes to character depth :/

While not all of them were so big that they were memorable, Souji, Ian and Nossan felt pretty fleshed out and Ucchi was pretty memorable as far as his story goes (Of course Ian and Souji did have a streak of episodes when their story wasn't as present, especially Ian. But his final confrontation with Aigallon was pretty neat). As for the Guardians/Spirit Rangers, I felt Yayoi and Torin had the most interesting backstory. Admitted, Tessai and Ramirez were rather gimmicky. Especially Ramirez' background would've been interesting to see, but yeah, there's various factors that kept them from doing more with him.

Speaking of Gekiranger, Jan is also pretty much like Daigo as in most characters develop because he is there. It's a tad bit different in execution, but there were quite a handful of episodes where he triggered the other members (and the villains).

I disagree. Jan is nothing like Daigo. Jan has faults, he fails from time to time, and he has to learn how to be a leader. Daigo is perfect right from the get go and doesn't fail once.

It also doesn't help that the villains of Kyoryuger are generic and boring. Geki had Rio and Mele, who are hands down the best villains in the series since the Saima Clan.

But like... He does have flaws, and he does fail.

Remember the episode where Tessai fails him in his training? That's because he doesn't have humility and tries to take everything on himself.

Remember when he went Dino-crazy because of the Carnival upgrade and abandoned the team for the better part of two episodes? That's because he always leaps before he looks. That's a flaw AND a failure.

He's a fool who often falls for easy traps because he doesn't think them through. He's a hothead who rushes into battle half-cocked, relying on his teammates to bail him out.

Like I've said elsewhere, I'm not a huge huge fan of Kyoryuger. I just don't agree with the narrative that Daigo being foregrounded is that show's main problem.

Geri Chopper did get shafted. He was there just so they could bring in the rhino and nothing more.
They did have development, but all of it was caused or aided by Daigo, which I didn't like. Nossan realized how strong his family was , because Daigo told him. The love triangle was dumb and even Utchy falling in love with him when he first met him (he did look like his previous lord though). I just didn't like how everything revolved around Daigo. Even the final fight was just him. The entire team was needed to do everything leading up to it, but the final fight came down to just him defeating Deboss, then coming back to go on an ice cream date with Amy. It was a bit much.
Gekiranger did focus on Jan a ton, but Jan had faults. He could henshin at first, couldn't figure out the team blaster at first, was a terrible leader at the beginning, was brash, impatient, had an episode where the biggest problem he had to figure out was for how the Gekirangers to stand in their line up, and had a complete breakdown when he found out about his parents.

Dig was abandoned by his dad when he was a kid, but he was fine. He traveled the world and solved everyone's problems. When his dad did come back, it was like another day at work for him. Daigo never developed; he started off as the epitome of man and ended that way. It became taxing to watch the more the season went on.

That wasn't a failure, that was showing how insignificant the rest of the team is because Daigo can do no wrong. He was written to be perfect, he was acted to be perfect, and that is how he felt the entire series because he knew he could do anything because he was written that way. He was omnipotent.

Just watched episode 2. Blue guy (haven't learned their names yet) figures out his strength is his family because Daigo tells him it is. Then Daigo fixes the dinosaur statue.

Episode 3 preview: Daigo tells Green's father to accept him.


I can already see what you guys all mean, and I don't know if I'll be able to handle a whole season of it.

This is a bit of a different scenario.
Retsu and Ran didn't have overt story arcs, but they did grow gradually as characters. While I am disappointed that they didn't really get much (Retsu's main story revolved around Gou, which was, you know, Gou's story), you could see clear evolution for the characters. In additional, Rio and Mele had tons of growth and a long lasting and strong story arc that tied them to both Jan and Gou's stories. Ken really got the short stick, not having much story and no real change from introduction to end, I'll admit.

But Gekiranger makes it quite clear that while this is, indeed, Jan's story, it's not all about him. He grew thanks to his team, both in attitude and ability. Note that it was Ran, GekiYellow, who was put in charge of the Gekirangers at the start. Jan was foolhardy and couldn't properly communicate so he couldn't lead a team. His natural ability to use Geki was countered by his poor skills, putting him behind his teammates in terms of strength. He was the main character, but he wasn't Daigo, who was near infallible.
Additionally, Rio played a major part of in the story, and unlike other villains, it's not just as a part of the main character's progression. Rio has legitimate story arcs that advance his own character growth as well as the overarching plot at large.

The difference is that they're poor attempts to highlight his "Flaws."
He failed Tessai's test because, as Tessai literally states, that he was too perfect. He didn't fail because he tried to take on too much alone and lost, but because he literally solved all 4 of the other Kyoryuger's challenges at once, faster, without trouble. When he abandoned the team because of Carnival? He still succeeded. Didn't the team come to him complaining that they need to work together (I really can't remember much of this situation)?
Falling for easy traps? He still comes out unscathed with no help from his teammates. They just jokingly scold him for walking into a trap.

The problem with Daigo is that his flaws are the same types of flaws given to a mary sue who is "Too beautiful."
Daigo is a foolhardy idiot who runs in, but there are no consequences. He runs in and wins. They set up plenty of opportunities to showcase Daigo being strong, but needing his team, but they choose not to, rather to show off Daigo's superiority and ability to get results. Choosing to ignore any strategy or technique the team comes up with because he's a walking tank. He can't lose, and he knows it.

Daigo is kind of the poster child for misleading information. Just because the show tells us it's a flaw doesn't make it true if they don't put their money where their mouth is. Perfection isn't a flaw.

Good luck.

Alright, let's say Daigo was perfect-- that he was perfect by design, and that the series was conceived and built with King Daigo as a flawless character. Do we decry every Superman story for featuring a perfect, flawless hero? How about James Bond? The Doctor? I sure don't. Because in those characters' best stories, their perfection acts as a catalyst for their less-than-perfect companions to overcome their own flaws. I guess my thing is, I don't think a perfect protagonist is necessarily a problem... so long as the story is still fun and interesting and populated by compelling characters and great action. I think that's the case with Kyoryuger.

I absolutely do not subscribe to the criticism that the non-Daigo Kyoryugers get the short shrift in the character department (okay, maybe Amy, but that's more of a Sentai-wide issue with female heroes). I know it's subjective, but compared to the rest of the modern Sentai shows, I think the other Kyoryugers-- in spite of perhaps not getting as much screen time-- are more distinct, interesting, and better developed than any of the ToQgers and all of the Ninningers except Kasumi. Sure, they pale in comparison to the Shinkengers and Gokaigers, but they're cooler than the main three Go-Busters and every Goseiger except Alata & GoseiKnight. I find them and their stories interesting, and in my book, their growth justifies Daigo's perceived flawlessness.

Kyoryuger is also one of the more plot-forward Sentai shows of the past five years, has comparatively little filler, and has great pacing. I don't think these things suddenly become irrelevant just because Daigo is "perfect."

Now, does the show always accomplish its goals? Is it always good? No, but no Sentai is ever perfectly consistent. Does it have flaws like excessive toy marketing and tasteless juvenalia? Does its early flashiness result in the show running out of money toward the end? Yeah, and those are huge problems.

But I think that Flawless Daigo is a boring criticism that doesn't quite get to the heart of what makes Kyoryuger, ultimately, a middle-of-the-road entry into the Sentai canon... Despite having some better-than-average elements and moments.

Superman is not perfect though. He has to make sure he holds back his strength so that he doesn't kill anyone in the process of fighting. Also, if you read the best written stories like "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" and" "For the Man Who Has Everything," you will see that there are a lot of faults with his character.

James Bond gets beaten to **** in his stories, so he is also far from perfect.

However, the difference is James Bond and Superman are not working as a team when they are "perfect." They are loners. Daigo is supposed to be part of a team, but his team is only there to make him look good. They are there to be the damsels in distress so he can rescue them.

I do agree that Kyoryu is a middle of the road Sentai though.

If you enjoy podcasts, check out this one I did for the Fanholes on Dairanger:

http://fanholespodcast.blogspot.com/...episode-7.html

Well, I heard the Liveman opening song, so I decided to put Kyoryuger on hold and watch that instead. I've only seen one episode so far, so I don't have too many thoughts on the series, but my initial impression is "that was awesome!"

I really enjoyed Liveman. The acting was good, the story was nice, and the villains had a good story.

I am two episodes away from finishing Gingman and I have been impressed with it throughout. I will probably finish it tonight or tomorrow and start Carranger and continue GoGo-V (I think IS is up to episode 34 or something like that).

I finished Ohranger last week and spent more time shaking my head in slight disappointment over the choices made for the show (some out of their control, I understand) than I did enjoying the story. It is still not as bad as Sun Vulcan, so there is that.

Watched up to episode 3 of Liveman. I really like how the team actually designed their own suits as a means to get revenge. I've never seen that before in Sentai, so it's a nice change of pace from being assigned/forced into the team or just starting on the team. The mech is also great, especially for an 80s sentai (where, let's face it, they look kind of silly most of the time). It reminds me of GaoGaiGar with the lion head on the chest. Story so far is interesting. The only complaint I have is that I really don't like the villains' outfits.

I think Carranger is a good show to watch if you enjoyed Gingaman and other 90's shows because it has a similar feel to it. I watched both shows at the same time and I enjoyed both of them a lot :)

Carranger is another fantastic Sentai that I recommend anyone to watch.

People say it's too light hearted and comedic, but it's actually not as much as people say it is. It has some great serious moments.

As of right now, Carranger, Megaranger and Gingaman are my favorites.

If I had time to watch Super Sentai, I'd probably watch Zyuranger and Ohranger however I am looking forward to Zyuohger

I'm currently around episode 22 or 23 of Gekiranger and episode 10 of Dairanger. Really enjoying both, but the, uh, 90s-ness and lack of modern storytelling in Dairanger is a little jarring sometimes, heh.

Finished Gingaman and it was great.

I am through episode 24 of GoGo-V and 23 or 24 gave the biggest plot twist I think sentai has had, lol.

I started Carranger two days ago and I am through episode 21. I can't stop watching this show. It has consumed all my free time. I love it. It is so goofy and spoofs all the serious and dramatic seasons that came before it. It is amazing, it gives me life, it pisses me off that I haven't watched it sooner, lol. This show is quickly making a way into my top ten favorite seasons

Carranger's amazing. My favorite series.

I am on episode 22 right now and I have not been disappointed yet. Toei needs to do another parody season and touch on how the show has been since Boukenger or something or how it has been since Gokaiger. Cause the nods to the over dramatized shows of the 80's and early 90's is great.

They did, it was called Akibaranger. That is likely the last time we will ever get a well written parody series from them for the next decade.

Akiba isn't an official team and that is what I meant. Akiba isn't really a parody though, it is an homage to everything that makes sentai sentai. They talk about tropes, shooting locations, well known suit actors and stunt coordinators, and talk about what it is like to be an otaku. Carranger is totally different; they poke fun without stating how and why they are poking fun. It is a true parody.

I wouldn't necessarily call Carranger a parody. After all, it's still an official entry in Super Sentai and still takes itself seriously as a Sentai team. It's just very comedic in tone.

And there are some serious parts in it.

I kind of agree with you. I'm not fully on board with the notion that Carranger is a complete parody. There are definitely parodic elements (VRV Master is a walking parody; The show's best episode -- the one where Red Racer keeps screaming about how he's Carranger's leader -- is total parody), but I think parody is just a part of the show's greater comedic tapestry.

Ohranger is da bomb!

Well, it starts out that way, at least. :lol

Ohranger, to me, was like this awesome knit sweater that slowly unraveled over the course of 48 episodes. I can see why people like it and why the toys sold well, but my main beef is that there never felt like there was a credible threat. Even during the final arc, when things are it's most dire, it never felt like something they couldn't handle.

And there was way too much mech dancing...I don't know why that annoyed me lol.