Originally Posted by GoseiWonder (Post 275624)

Imagine if the Samurai Cast was entirely Japanese and only spoke Japanese. Now imagine the violence going up to "Holy Crap! Do the Japanese really think this is suitable for children?!" levels. Okay? Now shove both PR seasons into a one year run and trade Jayden's plot twist for Takeru's.

It's about that mature. Remember, Samurai was cut-and-past translation with a few drastic edits here and there. Remember when Xandred wanted to flood the Sanzu with the tears of kids who lost their favorite toys? IIRC, in Shinkenger, it was a ritual sacrifice of young girls.

Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 275644)

Also, take note.
A monster's plan might be more mature in theory, but in execution it's just as tame.

That's a big bullshit draw many people who try to lure people into toku seem to forget.
A monster might try to extract the blood of a child to power a doomsday device, but they fail, making the actual execution of the plan on the same par as PR.

Originally Posted by EitoRanger (Post 275425)

Really? But that ruins the whole reveal/cheapens the reason why Jayden left compared to Takeru.

Takeru struggled the whole series about the fact that the rest of the Shinkengers were willing to risk their lives for him, especially when they became more protective when they learned that he 'only person who knew/could learn the secret seal' that could defeat Doukoku. But that was a lie and Takeru had to deal with the guilt of deceiving the people started to see as friends so they would(in his opinion) die in vain(since his death would not end the Shiba line, and the false sense of security the Gendousho would get by thinking they took care of the Shiba line could be used to the Shiba clans advantage). His life meant nothing, he was just a stand in who would risk his life as a kagemusha(which is a long tradition in Japan's history) but until he meet the others that was the only value he saw in his life.

When Kaoru came back and it was clear that he was no longer needed he lost all meaning to his life, he was groomed from childhood for that role and knew nothing else, coupled with the fact that he now had to face up to the fact that he had been lying to the others it was no wonder he almost broke and was easily tempted by Juzo to find the 'truth in the sword'.

Jaden on the other hand, yeah he had to lie about his position as head of the Shiba house, but that doesn't mean his life is any less important. He's the son of the former head and carries the blood of their family. If anything hapened to his sister then he would become the head officially and probably take up the task of learning the seal himself(sure his sister had an advantage of learning it in secret but that doesn't mean he can't). He is also the key to keeping the Shiba family continues on to fight another day. He didn't have to deal with the fact that a lie he said made his friends risk their lives and possible die for a "worthless life" like Takeru. And the fact he left because he felt the team 'didn't need him anymore' because they had his sister just felt like such a weak excuse compared to Takeru who felt he didn't deserve to fight with them because he was not from a Samurai family and his lies made him unworthy to fight with his friends.

Okay rant over, I know taste is subjective but while I manage to sit through Power Ranger Samurai and Super Samurai(as hard as it was)...but this whole change just made me want to reach in the screen and strangle Jayden. The truth behind the real head of the Shiba clan was not only the best episodes of Shinkenger(IMOP) but watching the series again not only do you get to see the hints but how the knowledge of that secret affect Takeru as the series progresses(it was a really great idea having Tori Matsuzaka know about the reveal the whole time, it added so much more depth to his performance)

Originally Posted by Yellow Ranger (Post 275649)

Kaoru adopting Takeru at the end is really the issue for me honestly, Except that wasn't the only reason Jayden left he also felt that his presence would undermine Lauren's leadership if he stayed.But maybe I'm biased since I'm not a big fan of the Shinkengers in the first place.*shrugs*

Originally Posted by EitoRanger (Post 275654)

honestly that never really bothered me, we know Takeru's father is dead(and most likely his mother is too) so there is no reason he can't be adopted, especially since I know people who were officially adopted as adults. And while their is certainly importance placed in the Shiba clan on training the next generation of the vassal families to become Shinkengers themselves the adoption didn't contradict the values of the show. It's gone out of it's way already to show that not only is Genta valued as an equal member of the shinkengers by the group despite being just a 'sushi seller' but the emphasis was always on being the Head of the Shiba clan, not the blood of the family. Besides if you take the vs movie with Goseiger as cannon the secret seal can be learned by non members of the Shiba line, it's just a secret normally held by the head.


Though I'm also Biased because not only is Shinkenger my first series, but despite being knocked out of my favorite spot by Go-Busters it still has my favorite cast members of all time, and still my all time favorite Red(which is why I was so angered by the change, they took away the main reason Takeru was a deep interesting character from Jayden was already such a boring character, not helped by the fact that for the most part his actor had one expression, scowling) , Blue, Green and Sixth ranger. While on the other hand I hated Samurai...I wanted to give it a try since I remembered liking power rangers as a kid but the acting was horrible, and they just mangled the plot of the original. If it was it's own story I probably wouldn't of minded...and while some changes like Dreker were interesting I still preferred Juzo.

EDIT forgot to mention that Adult adoption is centuries old practice in Japan that is normally used to bring new heirs into a family. Completely legal and socially accepted even in current days. So yeah, since I spend most of my time watching Japanese tv shows and period dramas so it didn't really bug me or surprise me, especially since Shinkenger is pretty much a modern historical drama.

Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 275644)

Also, take note.
A monster's plan might be more mature in theory, but in execution it's just as tame.

That's a big bullshit draw many people who try to lure people into toku seem to forget.
A monster might try to extract the blood of a child to power a doomsday device, but they fail, making the actual execution of the plan on the same par as PR.

Originally Posted by SideswipePrime (Post 275647)

I mean, talking about extracting a young girl's blood is still pretty dark, though.