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FreshToku 06-30-2021 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MKDremare (Post 806299)
Kinda why at the end of it all, I think we should kinda ease up on expecting some sort of groundbreaking hallmark of representation from KR.
Can't speak for anyone else, but literally all I want is for the women who do appear to not get treated like dirt or just be undermined by other male characters.

Whether they transform or not, the number of characters who check out the above conditions is... not high!

MKDremare 06-30-2021 11:00 PM
I'd.... argue against that, since I feel like that's a bit hyperbolic to say, but I did just make a hyperbolic joke myself, so that'd be hypocritical of me to criticize.

FreshToku 06-30-2021 11:06 PM
Well, I did also consider 'garbage' or 'disposable cutlery', but settled for something a little more broad : P

Yeah okay i'm exaggerating. It sure doesn't feel like I am sometimes, though, when I start thinking about every issue i've ever had with these shows at once.

TheJaz 06-30-2021 11:21 PM
I think what stings a lot about a number of the female riders is how they handle their motivations, Mariko and Sabella are both trying to serve "strong men", in Gaim that is eventually revealed to be Mariko's one and only goal, to find a strong man to serve, and Sabella is honestly uncomfortably dedicated to her brother, both of these come off as honestly kind of gross. Like honestly these two cases feel just flat out sexist to me, especially Mariko... Then we have Poppy and Valkyrie who both are under the control of powerful men in their arcs, at least they're able to break through that sort of?

I think it's very obviously apparent that female riders are often handled differently then "one note" male riders, and usually in a way that just seems baaaaaaad

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Originally Posted by Kurona (Post 806294)
To be quite frank, I would much rather have situations like Ghost or Blade or Drive where none of the girls get to transform(...)
I almost forgot another example but this reminded me! In ghost Alia does transform into a pink necrom, just to get beaten immediately... Even up against an impossible foe I think we know a male character in the same situation would have gotten a few good hits in on the big bad before getting defeated, but Alia transforms and promptly loses.....

I don't think it's too much to ask that more female riders are at least treated as more than a servant or a character who just exists to be defeated....

Overall I agree that it's pretty clear in a lot of modern series, all the important male characters eventually become riders, while all the important female characters just don't, that sucks

FreshToku 06-30-2021 11:36 PM
The best female character in Rider to this day remains Ozawa from Agito. (I also really like Medusa from Wizard but that might be more bias than anything)

MKDremare 06-30-2021 11:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJaz (Post 806304)
I think what stings a lot about a number of the female riders is how they handle their motivations, Mariko and Sabella are both trying to serve "strong men", in Gaim that is eventually revealed to be Mariko's one and only goal, to find a strong man to serve, and Sabella is honestly uncomfortably dedicated to her brother, both of these come off as honestly kind of gross. Like honestly these two cases feel just flat out sexist to me, especially Mariko... Then we have Poppy and Valkyrie who both are under the control of powerful men in their arcs, at least they're able to break through that sort of?

I think it's very obviously apparent that female riders are often handled differently then "one note" male riders, and usually in a way that just seems baaaaaaad



I almost forgot another example but this reminded me! In ghost Alia does transform into a pink necrom, just to get beaten immediately... Even up against an impossible foe I think we know a male character in the same situation would have gotten a few good hits in on the big bad before getting defeated, but Alia transforms and promptly loses.....

I don't think it's too much to ask that more female riders are at least treated as more than a servant or a character who just exists to be defeated....

Overall I agree tho, it's pretty clear in a lot of modern series, all the important male characters eventually become riders, while all the important female characters just don't, that sucks
Yea, that's a very fair criticism to make, though I'll be honest, Makoto has the same sorta issue with Kanon that Reika has with Ryoga (something that I hope won't happen in the next KR series that this writing team will make in the future when that happens). Probably would've been more serviceable if neither of these pairs were blood related.

The Chaos Entity 07-01-2021 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MKDremare (Post 806307)
Yea, that's a very fair criticism to make, though I'll be honest, Makoto has the same sorta issue with Kanon that Reika has with Ryoga (something that I hope won't happen in the next KR series that this writing team will make in the future when that happens). Probably would've been more serviceable if neither of these pairs were blood related.
Makoto grew passed it though, whereas Reika went backwards. Makoto was introduced as someone who would do anything from his sister…but after Takeru saved her, he switched tacts to trying to get his body back and get through to Alain. He had two whole characters he had massive investment in - Alain, and Kanon (and I’d personally count Takeru in there, too). Reika, though…is introduced as an independent threat, then revealed to be fanatically devoted to her brother, and he’s the only character she’s meaningfully attached to - like, she literally has nothing outside him at this point.

Chasing 07-01-2021 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MKDremare (Post 806307)
Makoto has the same sorta issue with Kanon that Reika has with Ryoga
Have you not seen Ghost, or something? There is no way in hell those two relationships are even remotely comparable beyond the fact that both pairs consist of siblings.
Makoto had plenty of issues and developments beyond Kanon - accentuated by the fact he's the secondary Rider(who debuted very early on) in a series revolving around just three Riders to begin with. Makoto's character doesn't completely hinge on Kanon. I thought the show made that pretty clear, considering she's safe and sound after the first quarter of the show, but Makoto's conflicts only become more complicated afterwards.

We're in the endgame of Saber and nothing about Reika nor Ryoga have significantly developed in the past 2 quarters of the show. I know the show isn't over yet, but Reika really has gone backwards, if anything. Props to her actress for making Reika seem at least somewhat threatening in the first quarter, I guess.

joedragon72 07-01-2021 09:34 AM
Guys, I’ve got a feeling that the Revice as a series will not have dinosaurus as the theme exclusively but that the theme is ancient animals in general. So besides a dinosaur-themed rider maybe there is a mammoth-themed rider, megalodon-themed rider, sabertooth tiger-themed rider, etc.

Kurona 07-01-2021 09:59 AM
That would be cool! Would give a cohesive theming behind each rider's inevitable alternate forms, as well


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