It's also just not stuff the series say -- it's all in guidebooks released later. If you want to go REALLY crazy, read some of the stuff about each Rider's suit parts...

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Oh man that brings back memories of me translating those things for the wiki (I'm GaimTime on the KR Wiki and among the first to bother translating every single piece of Rider info I could get my hands on). I still remember my 'what on earth' reaction when I realised how utterly ridiculous some of the descriptions were hahaha.

Yeah some of those descriptions are borderline Chuck Norris levels of insanity. :lolol

New member here and i agree that the description is pretty meme worthy

Welcome aboard! I haven't watched Decade yet, but I'm excited to see that he's a Rider powerful enough to summon entirely new members to the TokuNation boards!

Well, keep in mind. They had to provide some kind of reason that Decade could apparently beat every rider ever without trouble.
I just find it funny they dipped into terrible overpowered OC range to do so.

So does anyone know or...?

I know that this isn't generally a concern in other shows but it's just hilarious to me that it seems like the Sword of Logos has no safety standards whatsoever when it comes to their swords. Like, the swords' blades are legit exposed into the air outside of battle. Buster might end up accidentallly slicing his back or something one day due to him slugging that thing around exposed to the air.

And then Durandal. Oh my goodness, at least wear gloves or something while transforming man, that's an exposed blade you're gripping onto!

Ogami's fine, I think. He slugs the flat side of the blade to his back anyway. It's Daishinji you gotta worry about! Also, I think with Ryoga is that the blade only completely sharpens once he transforms, much like Saikou's.

I was really tempted to point out how Bacht could cut his fingers during transformation but then I remembered he's lost a few marbles so I don't think he'd care.

Bacht's actually holding the dull part of the Seiken during his henshin pose. Found out that the Swordriver/Bladriver Seikens are single-edged while taking photos of my Saber.

Then again, he's still holding the bladed part with his thumb, so yeah he still crazy.

To be fair though, all the Seiken's are dull so that the actors don't hurt themselves in the shoot. In the world of Saber itself though, who knows how 'sharp' those things are?

Or maybe they made up another ridiculous method that allows them to cut through stuff.

I'm not convinced any of them really have any cutting power alone. The "metal" of the blades has never really been the focus(nor even mentioned) of the series, but the magic has. No part of any of these swords are really portrayed as "sharp" in any media that I've found.

So you're probably right that the in-lore reason is that there's some ridiculous method that allows them to "cut" through stuff.

I agree, I think the swords are just conduits for magic, and not really sharp for traditional cutting.

Does Saber even have 'magic' in that sense? Or are we just gonna lump 'powers' with 'magic'? (That'd make someone like Evolt 'magical') Wizard definitely had magic, but I'm not so sure with Saber.

There are ancient swords and books that spit fire, summon fairies and grow beanstalks. It's as fantasy magic as it gets.

You've joking lol there are moments and ideas in Saber that make Wizard look technological by comparison

Okay yeah that makes sense. I was thinking more of Wizard's more arcane-esque magic. Oops!

In my defense, the phone-trike thing and the Onjuuken Suzune didn't help my thinking process.

Well, after (mostly) finishing the brunt of Black and Black RX, my head is racing with all kinds of thoughts!

I'll try to be mindful regarding spoilers for those who haven't seen either of them, but there will be more than a few!

First of all, Black! It feels almost like an artform in a sense. A "Back To Basics" reimagining of what made Rider so interesting in the first place while adding the element of whether Kotaro will fight Nobuhiko or not. The audience knows it's going to happen regardless of what Kotaro wants or not, and the longer it takes to get there, the more you know that there is no going home for Nobuhiko. Brainwashed or not, Nobuhiko commits to Golgom as Shadow Moon and only rarely wavers.

The Kaijin of Black are straight-up B-Movie horror shows at times! I'm not saying that they're the scariest monsters on screen, but they have an impact that definitely takes them right past anything Rider '71 released! To use a werewolf analogy, I would say the Golgom Kaijin are more in the sense of The Howling as opposed to An American Werewolf in London!

The idea of seeing the Creation King as a dark and giant heart portrays the leader of Golgom as enigmatic, but it feels almost underwhelming that he doesn't have a legitimate final form.

Kotaro's friends leave Japan, but don't return when Golgom is defeated. This is a noteworthy gap and doesn't do any favors when the series ends. It's clearly done to leave Kotaro alone in the world without his old life, but an explanation would've done wonders.

The jump to RX feels rather rushed, which describes the series as a shadow of its predecessor. In many ways, RX doesn't feel like Showa Rider even though it debuted in the Showa Era.

The Crisis Empire feels more at home in Sentai or Metal Heroes rather than Kamen Rider. I like their designs, but that's one of the most generous descriptions I can give to them. The switch between various types of Kaijin doesn't lend a cohesive feel to the series. Black had relatively cohesive and easily distinguishable Kaijin by comparison. RX is just one random jump to another. I'm also a little disturbed by some of the contradictory background behind Crisis. Seriously, this to me does not feel well thought out at all! When Kotaro meets the "Demon World" rebels on what appears to be a desert world, he learns that the Emperor instituted a heavy industry policy and a class system. This makes it feel as though the five billion Crisis people that the crew of General Jark are trying to port over are merely part of the Imperial Upper Class and not an entire race. The final episode would contradict this in all the worst ways by suggesting that the "Demon World" is a shadow of Earth with oceans and islands in the same places that's been ruined by Earth pollution and not by Imperial stupidity as originally stated! With the (apparent) final episode retcon, the "Demon World" and the five billion Crisis people (and theoretically the rebels from earlier) are wiped out completely, making Kotaro a genocidal ass no matter how you slice it! This isn't to say that Crisis is in the right, but the way the story is structured (if you can call it that) doesn't do Kotaro any favors! I question what the writers and producers were thinking when they thought of this show and what Ishinomori was thinking about where his creation had gone!

The introduction of Robo Rider and Bio Rider are grand, but that feeling doesn't last as they aren't used to defeat villains as often as the Revolcane is. I don't have confirmation at the moment, but it almost feels as though there were supposed to be multiple Riders in this one, only for that plan to be nixed at the last second!

The end of Black and the beginning of RX do leave you with a nagging question: What the hell happened to Road Sector!? It couldn't break through the Creation King's barrier in Black, but it was still usable. It's never brought up once, though that's partly the "Old Toy Doesn't Get Referenced In New Show" trope!

The Sahara couple who house Kotaro are played as both comedic and worrisome. The care deeply for their kids, but their marital arguments are played more for laughs than for the sake of drama. Still, you feel for them and genuinely believe that this family will be alright in the end...and then you get to the end! I know that this was meant to imply the severity of the Crisis threat, but when Jark kills the parents, you're honestly taken aback inside cause you were literally thinking that this wouldn't happen! All the times Kotaro saved the day, the world has to relegate him to "Man Without A Family" status!

The Ten Riders making an appearance is just surreal. There isn't any other way to say it. It's just surreal seeing them in this show, but I feel as though they were underused. Not one of them defeats a Kaijin or grunt with a Rider Kick, which is a great disservice to Showa Riders! No clue why the show said they were training in the Arizona desert.

Going back to Crisis, the use of Colonel Dasmader is probably meant to be evocative of Birugenia from Black, even if the overall use and effect is different. Dasmader is arrogant and self-absorbed, flaunting his authority more than he brandishes a sword. The implications of the finale are another series retcon to me cause it seems to reinvent the relationship between Dasmader and the Emperor. Dasmader was previously shown thinking independently of the Emperor and concerned with saving his own neck, only for the finale to suggest that the two are one and the same!

The Emperor is another contradictory element towards the end cause you're never certain where he's at. When Jark is turned into Jark Midora, it's almost like the giant head which performs the mutation is just a medium for the Emperor's voice and Dasmader is physically present. In the finale, Dasmader fights RX and mutates into the giant head seen independent of Dasmader previously.

Another interesting element about the Emperor is the voice. It's the actor who voiced the Great Leader throughout the Showa Era! Some have speculated whether this means that Grand Lord Crisis and the Great Leader are connected, but no direct relation is ever implied and none of the Great Leader's appearances in the Heisei Era have ever given the vibe that the two are connected. It's possible it's just Toei reusing a Showa Era actor cause they weren't planning another new series immediately after RX and thought this would serve as a bookend, or perhaps a connection was intended in the conception stage and then scrubbed. I can only guess.

Joe The Haze, introduced during the introduction of Robo Rider and Bio Rider, is another enigmatic element which feels underused and mismanaged cause he appears and disappears with no real weight other than to add Kotaro another ally who both helps and needs to be saved. He's injured during the series, is absent for a prolonged period with no mention of his health, and then suddenly appears in the field with only a passing remark about his healing time. His mysterious past is never properly explained!

Shadow Moon is another element that is thrown into the mix to add some kind of weight to the show, but he only appears in two-three episodes! There is no real story compared to Black, leaving you with nothing but the battles. Sure, Shadow Moon "dies" doing something good, but all events which come after RX are all the confirmation needed to remind you that Nobuhiko can't go home again!

I'll admit, I didn't watch every episode of either series, glossing over some of them. That said, I think I got enough of a gist to understand the brunt of them. The one's which were skipped probably wouldn't add or subtract anything that hasn't already been said.

Conclusion: Black is an artform, and RX is it's weird little shadow!

Yeah, as much as I liked RX, I can definitely see why Black is getting rebooted.

RX wasn’t originally conceived of as a sequel to Black, it was going to be its own unique show. Black was such a hit, though, that Toei decided to keep Tetsuo Kurata on as the star.

I wonder... When Kamen Rider Saber is legally broadcast outside of Japan, will viewers understand the story if the spinoffs and the desast tweet are not included?

Kinda, kinda not? It's actually pretty neat that Saber requires you to actually read up on some lore to understand some stuff, but this is to the detriment to some casual viewers. For example, one wouldn't exactly know why Kento is back as Calibur without either watching the SOL Special or reading up on the website's lore about Kurayami.

But also, some stuff like the Swordsmen chronicles are there just to put up scenes that may as well have been cut from the episodes, they don't add a lot so one can ignore them if they choose to, but I think it helps you appreciate the story more if you watch them since they give some brief insight into the character and/or set some things up for later. Example: Kento's pre-death, Rintarou's desire for a photo of his family, and Ren's relationship with Dezast.

TL;DR not exactly required, doesn't really take away much from the story, but helps once appreciate if you do include it in a watch.

Just enjoying SOL and many of my question while following saber is answered. I think atleast they need to add SOL if they want to localize Saber.

But you're right. Its not that necessary. But no doubt, improve it and cover many plothole

I think the only Rider shows I'd say ~need~ extra material for the full story are Den-O, Decade and W due to events in their movies. Maybe Drive and 01 at a stretch. Otherwise everything else is fine

You mean the full story as in the TV series?

We mean, as in “every necessary detail filled in”.

So if Zero One had Zero Two bring red larger into the suit design
And Saber is a red rider with a blue reskin for a final form
Inb4 our next rider is blue with a yellow/green final form.

Pine Arms is Gaim's final form, so that means that the Pine Iron was the last final form-exclusive weapon before we got the Haouken Xross Saber, not AxCalibur. :lolol

Revice is already said to be largely orange and pastel green, so his final form is gonna be a doozy as well.

oh

oh no

If we're going with those colors then let's bring back N64 Purple as a color choice for the Final Form.

Yeah, it's said to be Ex-Aid like, but surprisingly has the classic crusher mouth and with an intimidating look.

We'll find out sometime, I guess.

I want a henshin device based on facemasks, or even just masks. I think it'd totally work. For the amount of artists I follow on Twitter, I'm very surprised I haven't seen any concept art of that yet.

I love this idea. Makes sense for a hero called 'Kamen (masked) Rider'. The only possible problem I see is the DX toys though. If we're gonna have an actual mask as a transformation device, the weight of the batteries and electronics might have an effect on the wearer's face...

Yeah, this is kind of my main thought; it's difficult to imagine that as a toy. The closest example would be the various Ultra Eyes in Ultraman; where it's a pair of glasses you momentarily hold up to your face -- perhaps translated to Rider, you'd do that before folding it in some manner and slotting it into your belt to become its centerpiece?

I now recognize that X is the closest to that idea :lol

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets...jpg?1548978281

Set up!

X is actually what inspired my idea. It could go the same way, too. You'd still henshin with a belt primarily, but the mask could be a secondary thing. A mask as a gimmick alone is definitely impossible for a toy lol

The mask could have just enough electronics in it to function as a speaker(definitely easier said than done, though) - the thought of transformation jingles coming straight out of a facemask just sounds awesome to me. The lines you'd normally see on speakers would function great for a Kamen Rider mask design, too. Some Riders basically already have a similar design.

I think for a gimmick toy yes, but for an action figure it could work like how SO-DO build did with the lower half of the face unpegging to be replaced by different masks.