Originally Posted by SengalBoy (Post 754639)

Is SHF Kiva-la good? I'm aiming to get Kiva and Decade someday, and having Kiva-la alongside them would look good.

Originally Posted by Waka (Post 753864)

With how little I’ve actually heard about the joints breaking, I’m surprised at how strong these opinions are. And in response to Taste-Toys’s having “visible” cracks, I am going to have to disagree with you there. It is the lighting that is shining on the new angular joint that makes it look that way. If you have the SS OOO, you would know.

Originally Posted by Waka (Post 753864)

- [...]maybe they’re the next step in getting figures that we can pose more lifelike.
- If Bandai were to just keep making things the way they are, and not innovating, we would not have gotten the SS line, with better proportions, better screen accuracy, better articulations, and overall a better albeit pricey figure. Toys would stagnate and other companies would just start to copy them and they wouldn’t stand out as the most advanced, detailed, and articulate figure out on the market.

Originally Posted by Waka (Post 753864)

- But considering how others have posted about other elbow/hip joints breaking, or wrist joints snapping, I don’t think it’s as big of an issue as some are making it to be.
- Increased fragility has been going on since back in the days when figures have 5 points of articulation. As toys evolve, and we add more moving parts for the sake of articulation, of course things would be more fragile.
- And if you honestly cannot fathom ever having a figure with “increased fragility”, I hear Sofubis are extremely sturdy and affordable.

Originally Posted by DreamSword (Post 753849)

Even saying "Oh you've just been lucky, they WILL break" (paraphrased).

Originally Posted by Zolda (Post 754657)

Thanks for reminding me. :)
Yes, you are correct. :thumb:
The "cracks" are reflection of light on the angled edge.
I stand corrected.

Yet one crucial question remains:
"Why is the thinnest wall on that particular component,
the component that is connected to the arm peg,
so pathetically thin
so much as even thinner than the metal axis?" :confused:
I will not be surprised if crack eventually starts forming along that wall.



I agree with you.
I'm all for those things.
I'm all for progression.
I'm all for improvement.
I'm all for innovation.
Several things for Bandai (and other companies) to consider:
Please, please, please...
Be aware of
point of diminishing return.
Be aware of
what benefit that you will get
vs
the cost that you will have to pay.
Be aware of
total structural collapse.



Duuude! :D
Of course I know about all those points! :)
Those are NOT my points.

Of course a sofubi RHS Kamen Rider figure
will DEFINITELY outlive all of today's 1/12 action figures. :D

Of course your vintage 5 point Kenner Star Wars action figures
are WAAAY less fragile, thus more reliable,
compared to the majority of today's flagship 1/12 action figures.
Perhaps it will even outlive my car. :D

And of course I know that
ANY additional articulation
WILL increase fragility. :)

I have NEVER stated nor implied
that ANY increase of fragility is BAD.
What I have stated or implied is:
- What I warned Bandai of is not mere fragility,
but the nastiest type of fragility,
that, if left without redundancy,
exposes the system to TOTAL STRUCTURAL FAILURE,
because
- There is a LIMIT, defined by material strength,
of how much articulation you can cram into a tiny space
before the material fails completely.
So, by taking this reasoning to its logical conclusion,
we can be certain that
- There is a point,
an acceptable point,
a point of diminishing return
of added articulation vs increased fragility.
So far, for SHF Kamen Rider series,
that point is the old elbow joint system.
You go past that limit,
and the increase in fragility,
thus the decrease of product reliability that you get
will far outweigh the benefit of the added articulation.
And the last point,
- The fragility issue
is about the new SHF SS elbow and knee joint systems,
especially the new elbow joint system,
compared to the old SHF elbow joint system,
especially on the SHF Kamen Rider lines.
NO MORE, NO LESS.

Please notice the scope of the issue:
- Figure series: SHF and SHF SS
- Character series: Kamen Rider
- Problematic areas: Elbow and knee joint system,
especially elbow one
- Benchmark: the old SHF Kamen Rider elbow & knee joint systems

So, please focus the discussion on those things,
and please refute my points without straying from
what I'm talking about.

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Could you please provide the link(s) to my posts
where I stated or at least implied the idea of
"Oh you've just been lucky, they WILL break"?
I have re-read my previous posts
and none of them stated nor implied that idea.

Originally Posted by TheRaizin (Post 754663)

This again. Can we all just say a certain batch of SS OOO just had weird QC issues that caused the joint to crack? I've already found out that the SS OOO joint is the same "fighting body" joint as the Street Fighter SHFs and I haven't seen any of those guys break and they've been out WAY longer than SS OOO.

Also, that is one bizarre way to write a paragraph.

Originally Posted by Sentai King (Post 754669)

It not just a batch it a wide spread issue. People in japan and here had broken joint OOO SS is not even a year old it a very big deal. Also with OOO Latora form up for preorder it use the same joint = same issue nothing has change.

Btw where have you seen the street fighter shf use the same joints? OOO is the only one who has these joints for the gimmick.

Originally Posted by TheRaizin (Post 754663)

This again. Can we all just say a certain batch of SS OOO just had weird QC issues that caused the joint to crack? I've already found out that the SS OOO joint is the same "fighting body" joint as the Street Fighter SHFs and I haven't seen any of those guys break and they've been out WAY longer than SS OOO.

Originally Posted by TheRaizin (Post 754663)

Also, that is one bizarre way to write a paragraph.

Originally Posted by Talisman (Post 754648)

Very.

Originally Posted by Zolda (Post 754678)

Of course I have already been aware
of the Fighting Body elbow joint system. :)
I never mentioned them in my posts
because they are NOT the same system on SHF SS OOO.
If I compare them to the SHF SS OOO joint
then my comparison would be apple-to-orange, different context comparison.

Here's the link of the figures with Fighting Body joint system.
https://tamashii.jp/special/fighting_body/

On the surface,
they look identical to the SHF SS OOO elbow joint system.
If you see deeper,
you'll see TWO glaring differences.
And ONE inconsistency
in series using the Fighting Body elbow joint system.



Well, I just make my posts easier to read on computer screen,
since several people here complained
that my posts were "longwinding", "rant", etc. :D

Of course, it IS bizarre
if you write a paragraph this way
on your university thesis. :lolol