Seems like it might be a fun show, at least coming after Saber so I'll give it a chance! It looks like quite a varied mix of previous shows to be honest, perhaps you could say the main 2 are a bit like Den-O if Momotaros was a bit calmer and Ryotaro was more bearable! :lol

I've seen a few people on reddit and other such places who think Vice's mouth is obscured, but I think they're perceiving it wrong. That jagged line looks similar to Revi's teeth. So I'm pretty sure people are looking at Vice's 2D teeth and not noticing.

I can totally see Vice being granted a corporeal form by Deadman (so a deal with the devil but inverted) as a way of removing Ikki's ability to henshin and making him vulnerable, which eventually motivates Vice to relinquish his form after learning the value of friendship. How does that sound?

I think he just likes wearing it

Wearing a face mask for fashion reasons rather than for health reasons is sometimes considered a sort of counter-culture or kind of a "punk" look in Japan, you can see an example of this in the protagonist of Neo The World Ends With You, where the protagonist has a facemask on their chin for the whole game, or if you google smth like "Shibuya fashion" you're likely to come across at least a couple people with masks on

I'm assuming this is why Vice has a facemask on? I guess being a literal devil is pretty punk lol

It's also possible covid influenced the use of a face mask, I could see how having a kamen rider character wear a face mask might be a good way to encourage kids to wear there's? Tho he only seems to wear it in his devil form, not when he's a rider, so I'm not really sure

(I think in photos and such it's not as obvious, but in this belt commercial it's super obviously a face mask over the helmet)

I'm not sure if it'll be used in any meaningful way in the show? I guess there might be some secret to it, but as of now we don't know

In my mind it seems likely to me that it may serve as a way for bandai to sell "vice's face mask" as a popular cloth facemask for kids, tho that's just a guess

I was about to disagree with you, but yeah, it's hard to deny from that video. Maybe it only seems weird to us in the west, it's true that this type of mask has been part of Japanese culture of cleanliness for a long time, so it wouldn't necessarily be seen as a symbol of oppression over there.

What????

You're aware of the unfortunate situation ongoing for the last 1.5 years, right?

I know, just like, calling a non-sentient thing like Covid an oppressor or something... not wrong I guess, but caught me off guard

Not everyone here is aware of the widespread "anti-masking" dunces in the U.S. because of the dumb shit that it is.

Assuming you mean Covid, nobody in their right mind would consider means one would use to protect themselves from Covid as a symbol of oppression. Granted, the operative is "in their right mind", but the point remains.

Why are you shooting the messenger? I'm just saying, this is how it is here, and that's how it is over there. Are you suggesting that if Revice were made here, it wouldn't offend certain groups for using that imagery? It's a cultural difference, just like so many things that Japan does. Generalizing people as "dunces" and "not in their right mind" for their opinions is uncalled for, when some might just have different ideas about what justice and freedom means for them, compared to others.

Wonder if Ikki's family will find about him being a rider and Vice?

How will they?

We know his brother will become a Rider, so he certainly will, at least.

‘Their decisions’ are putting themselves and others at great risk. If they aren’t stupid, then they’re outright malicious.

What are you talking about? My reply to you was after somebody said "What?" to you because they didn't understand what you were talking about.

Do you think we might get an evil Rider, movie or otherwise, that follows the shows' theming for forms but combines past evil Riders with classic Kaijin?

Whether you think they're stupid or malicious, that's still a prejudice either way. Please don't hold your bad experiences against an entire group of people just for the actions of a few.

That was after I had clarified what I meant and she confirmed that she understood, but was merely caught off guard by my metaphorical way of phrasing, which is fair enough. The confusion was already resolved.

Wouldn't that be similar to Another Riders, specifically Another Ryuga?

Well, that was darker takes on the Main Riders or basically the Kamen Riders as Kaijin. If we get an evil Rider I'm not sure they'll have access to Genome's based on Main Riders like Revi and the 2nd Rider will.

Too right. Whether people don't like what I have to say or not, but did ever think to consider that maybe some people are getting pretty sick of this whole thing and don't like their lives being ruined and want life to go back to what it was. The only thing I find selfish is anyone labelling people that don't like being restricted and having a hard time with it as dunces is quite frankly sickening and should be ashamed honestly. There are both sides to an argument, learn to try to understand the other side.

Will Ikki's sister take part of his and Vice's adventures? It'd be nice if there's a way for her and the family to see and talk to Vice somehow.

It's not like George could invent something for his family to see and communicate with the demon inside Ikki, is there?

Mate everyone's sick of it. No-one likes this. I don't like having to wear a mask every day I go to work and keep home as much as I can and avoid friends and family to keep them safe. That's not unique or special to people yelling 'freedom' about masks; everyone is tired of this and wish it would go away, but it doesn't magically disappear just because you're tired of it. Viruses don't care about your feelings and you have to deal with it sensibly and carefully instead of tearing away all restrictions the moment numbers go down a little.

Is it really that hard to hold two positions at once?

In any case:

I sense a Q2 rider in him.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iUSQ1-3qi...-27_121452.jpg

He wouldn't be the first person to don the Rider System he designed...like, if he's such a Rider fanboy, he's probably imagined being a Rider himself.

I feel like he might create a new Driver so he can mimic the two riders thing without having to make a contract.

New rumors on the secondary Rider set:

"Kamen Rider Live & Kamen Rider Evil" who transform using the TwoSide Driver.

Evil is another demon while Live is a white-armored rider resembling Kamen Rider Buster.

they are armed with the OsderuHammer 50.

So... Liveil? Lievil?

Having a guy straight up called "Kamen Rider Evil" is the funniest thing ever

Live is evil if you read it backward

This is very interesting... You have the demon Vice that by definition (the word) means an immoral or wicked behavior and then straight up a demon named Evil. Now I wonder if later on in the series the demons turn their backs on their host (Revi and Live respectively) and become evil (no pun intended). that would be such a plot twist...

Only next to Kamen Rider Verde, if you speak Spanish or related languages :lol

Man, I'm really liking what I've seen from this season, so excited for the premiere

QUOTE=joedragon72;809647]This is very interesting... You have the demon Vice that by definition (the word) means an immoral or wicked behavior and then straight up a demon named Evil. Now I wonder if later on in the series the demons turn their backs on their host (Revi and Live respectively) and become evil (no pun intended). that would be such a plot twist...[/QUOTE]

Ohh, that sounds like a cool plot

seems funny that the theme song name liveDevil would be closer to the name of the secondary riders than the main riders if this winds up being true lol

Also if the rumour was originally in Katakana it should be possible to tell, and I'm curious, which "Live" is it? "Liv" (to be alive) or."Lie-v" (like a Live show)

The Megalodon Stamp has been released and we already have teardown videos!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eah3TLOLwkM

Very, very interesting stuff has been revealed. Not sure if it's a first for Kamen Rider, but instead of RFID chips or rails with notches, it's using infrared sensors to transmit signals between the Driver and Stamps in order to unlock and specify the various forms.

Also, if you press the Stamp down fully, it just stamps. If you press the Stamp down halfway, the henshin standby sound plays. There's going to be a ring/lip around the part that you stamp on the Driver so that the henshin standby sound plays every time you do so.

Very, very clever stuff!

So what would make KR Live & KR Evil?

"Kamen Rider.... Liveil"?

I think it'd be hilarious if "Evil" is more composed and less chaotic than Vice is.

If these rumors are true, it would be cool to see which stamps Live could use.

Like, he uses Ryuki and supposedly Wizard (which will be interesting if Evil uses Wizeman or Dark Wizard), but it would be cool to see him use Saber/Zero-One?Ghost/Drive/Kiva/Kabuto since they all have "dark" counterparts (I guess with Saber and Zero-One, Calibur and Ark-Zero might be considered the "dark" version). It would even be pretty interesting to see if they end up letting him use Ex-Aid and/or Gaim given that they both have "Dark Rider" counterparts.

Where'd you hear Ryuki? No toy listings have included that and this rumour doesn't state it.

Considering how L and R are similar sounding in the Japanese language, what if it were to be Kamen Rider Revile.

The initial rumor (before info for Revice really started coming out) said that the secondary rider was Ryugi/dark rider themed. There is also a rumor out that Ryuki is paired with a bat and Evil will use Ryuga. That and I believe the DX listing listed that the secondary rider had two stamps with the belt. Nothing confirmed of course, but those are some of the rumors for the secondary.

The Vistamp toys actually work as stamps on the magnet board things the Revice driver is based on!

https://twitter.com/bautiful_moon/st...295922177?s=20

Can the stamp from the axegun be used to "transform" with the Revice Driver?

You can stamp with it, but it can't fit on the belt and it doesn't have sounds, so it'd just be silence.

Oh, okay.

Anyways, apparently, James Gunn is a Kamen Rider Fan.

I will go into thinking about Kamen Rider. I say that Kamen Rider needs to be bigger. It's older than Super Sentai, it's sibling series. Yet more people seem to know about Super Sentai's Adaptation Power Rangers than Kamen Rider.

I say Kamen Rider is the Hanzo to Super Sentai's Genji. Also, I say, if Kamen Rider were to work with the Overwatch developers into making a Kamen Rider Skin for Hanzo to work with Genji's Sentai Skin, that would be sweet. Especially if they were, for Hanzo's Dragon Arrow Ultimate, have Ryuki's Dragredder and Saber's Brave Dragon replace the two dragons.