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TheRaizin

11-19-2021 10:07 PM

More of a speculative thing. But I mentioned in some threads, that the reason Fukuda wasn't able to write most of Saber's episode (leading to Hasegawa picking p the slack) was more so producer meddling than it is solely being him. Like Figu-oh(?) magazine that said Takahashi had Fukuda focus on the V-Cinema and let Hasegawa write the finale because he liked Hasegawa's direction to the finale.

There was also Calibur and Storious being requests from Bandai as opposed to being thought of by the staff.

rw1997

11-20-2021 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Deepsea (Post 819364)

Isnt there a thing with Kamen Rider getting hit by parent complaints and getting changed at the midway point? Hence why build became less about war, and OOO didnt have the big bad be the corp/have Date die?

Date was brought back, due to his character popularity. Before that , he was supposed to be brought back as a Homunculi. Same thing with Lazer and Ultraman Agul. This is called fan pandering.

rw1997

11-20-2021 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRaizin (Post 819378)

There was also Calibur and Storious being requests from Bandai as opposed to being thought of by the staff.

About the latter, it was a request from people.

FreshToku

11-20-2021 04:14 AM

One of the most most 'visible' examples I've ever seen was in the latter parts of Lupin Vs Pat, where all the very clearly Patranger-themed merchandise was given to the Lupinrangers on top of their continued Lupin-themed stuff.

Surely every person regardless of age, took one look at Super Lupin-X with his big Patranger symbol on his chest, and was like 'huh??'. And if you thought maybe it was playing on his dual form gimmick, well then the introduction of Super Lupin Red in the next episode would confirm it definitely isn't that...

SHINOBI03

11-20-2021 08:08 AM

Kamen Rider Ghost also went through issues with show's budget going to Amazons and shuffling writers making an inconstant script.

FreshToku

11-20-2021 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SHINOBI03 (Post 819423)

Kamen Rider Ghost also went through issues with show's budget going to Amazons and shuffling writers making an inconstant script.

That did not happen.

Well, the script could be kinda wonky, but not much more than any other show with more than one writer.

Sh Ranger

11-20-2021 10:15 AM

Kobayashi Yasuko was originally planning to give a bittersweet ending to Kamen Rider Ryuki, where all the Riders were killed but the Mirror World was sealed. Unfortunately, the executives overruled her decision, which resulted in the reset ending undoing all the character development and leaving Inoue Toshiki to do it himself in Rider Time Ryuki.

Takahashi Yuuya was originally planning to advance the story of Kamen Rider Zero One more naturally after the Metsuboujinrai arc. Unfortunately, Ohmori Takahito decided to do the workplace competition arc instead, which was admittedly profitable but critically panned.

Frontier

11-20-2021 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GrandComplete (Post 819332)

The most famous example I can think of is returning Fujimya/Ultraman Agul back into the Ultraman Gaia show. He died midmay through and the show plumeted as a result. He was a very popular character with the kids. So the show needed to bring him back. Fortunatly this is one of the few times where executive meddling actually was good. As the cast and crew were honestly happy to bring the character back. And Fujimiya story epecially Agul V2 debut is easily one of the best things to come out of Ultraman Gaia.

In all honesty this was a win-win for everybody the kids were happy bringing back their favaorite character back. The cast and crew eere happy getting to continue a beloved character story. And even Bandai was happy getting a new Agul form as a result and those sold like hotcakes.

I'm kind of surprised Fujimiya was that popular with kids, but maybe his anti-hero attitude contrasted with Gamu really appealed to people.

Reminds me of that scene in a later episode where a kid does a drawing of Gaia and Agul working together and asking Gamu if it'll ever happen and Gamu hoping it does.

GoldenXtreme

11-20-2021 11:54 AM

The one thing I am unsure about is if some instances of meddling are true, or just a rumor that got spread so far around the English speaking community that people started treating it as common knowledge. Like, Hibiki’s meddling is pretty much undeniable fact, but there are a lot of other shows I am unsure of because I can’t find a proper source!

DreamSword

11-20-2021 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger (Post 819428)

I actually side with the execs on this one, because the result was not only a much happier ending that didn't make the entire struggle feel like a waste, but it also resulted in some great character growth and a wonderful ending for Kanzaki. I found it very emotionally powerful.

Similarly, I also side with the change in OOO, where originally Ankh was gonna be the big bad. Making him be the final boss would've totally gone against the entire arc he'd been undergoing throughout the entire show, IMO.

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