Isn't it better to brave despair than to live without hope? Even if Neon dropped off the face of the planet, her fans may despair, but they would eventually move on and they would still be able to live gratefully for the fond memories of the content that inspired them to become better people. Like you said, what Neon wants to do is functionally the same as what Kousei did to Irumi, despite the difference in motivation. She wants to spare her fans, but she hasn't really thought about what they want. Her fans are actively invested in Neon trying to make a better life for herself, so I think Neon is seriously underestimating how much they care about her. She's not just a content creator to them and if they were watching the Desire Royale, they'd be screaming at her to make her realize that.

What Mesnick said. There are way too many downsides to Keiwa's desire. The world's population would become bloated. DGP would continue to endanger lives and deprive the losers of their desires. Sueru would have management back under control, allowing him to undo all of Ace's work and probably turn Tsumuri in to another obedient statue for good measure. DGP's influence in the timeline is so vast that it's basically impossible to undo all the harm to their victims and even trying would enable them to take more victims. Instead of trying to save those who have already died, Keiwa should focus on stopping DGP from doing it to anybody else. That's the closest thing to world peace he's ever going to get.

No, I won't condemn them or anything like that. I won't support them either, but I still respect their right to fight and risk their lives for their desires. Ace is kind of in a similar position to Shinji here, where he's fighting to stop the DGP, but he knows it's wrong to begrudge others for fighting to perpetuate it. After all, Ace's desire isn't entirely selfless, he's trying to save his mother, so it's personal for him. The only ones I will condemn here are the DGP management for creating the stage for this conflict. Neon and Keiwa are misguided, but they are also victims of DGP who want justice, like Ace and Michinaga.

Regardless of Na-Go, Hakubi would inevitably lose because she's a newcomer against a DGP finalist, and that's the primary reason of why Keiwa arrived as Tycoon again, his (inexperienced) sister. Though I thought Nadge delivered a powerful punch to Na-Go against that tree when she tries to shield Hakubi? And Nadge is nasty regardless if Keiwa arrived or not, the bad outcome not happening doesn't negate his attempts (only got foiled, not that he reined himself).

Maybe I can be wrong on this, but I felt that the sacrificed people's lives and happiness takes the ones who have already died in the past, far before the current Riders' joining or even their birth, already converted into fuel ready for further needs, which current Riders can't do anything about it, rather than the current people outside of those directly involved in the DGP/DR, of which Riders can try to save the lives of the civilians or other Riders to circumvent that, though the Goddess can take away the memories after someone wins. As that wish is made before the knowledge, yeah it may unwittingly cause bad outcome, but it often happens in Kamen Rider series due to its nature of the power coming from evil, and Riders being made as pawns in someone's schemes.

Guess yeah, as you said, she perhaps underestimated how much the fans care about her, given that she feels unloved and perhaps doesn't really know how a true love feels like. And other than Kousei (though he didn't affect Irumi negatively, only their differences in "raising" Neon), ironically she didn't take her own advice to Kyuun to let her remember the truth, trying to also make her fans superficially happy as she departs. Albeit I'm not fully certain if her fans got better lives due to her, as idolizing an influencer can make one too obsessed and have their lives hold back due to "wasting time" following her content or such. Though, regarding brave despair, that feels like what Kekera pulls (or in general, any bad deeds when the victim can bounce back), I don't want for that to be used to validate Kekera's actions here, of which it seems to be his belief to get his ideal hero stronger and sharper, put them through misery, and prolong bad deeds to other for that and developing.

I agree on how Keiwa's wish won't solve everything like how the DGP can continue their cycle (regarding on how some people condemn all other Riders' wishes except him as he uses that for others), but as I said before, I'd like for a mutual solution to fix the unfair system. Like, rather than just telling people to move on while the DGP is destroyed, I think there can be mutual goal of stopping the DGP from endangering others, freeing Mitsume, and have her atone for DGP's sins with for example, but not limited to, Keiwa's wish (without forcing her though), as Mitsume's power isn't a part of the DGP, but what the DGP needs. I think it can happen, thus Keiwa is currently being unreasonable to think only winning the DR can have that happen. I know that the population can become more bloated, but I'd think they still have rights to continue living (after having theirs taken away in untimely manner).

To be specific, by condemning, I hope that they won't be considered "redeemed" or such after learning better and on Ace's side again later. Like how Hiromi isn't "redeemed" for leaving Fenix after working in it without knowing its true nature before. I'd also lean towards fighting the DGP itself (and don't like how now Girori can get some free pass for his grudge to Ace being "reasonable" when he wants to preserve those secrets and let the DGP continue), just that I wouldn't want for those fighting against the DGP to be viewed as inherently right and can do no wrong as long as it harms the DGP (including "villain has a point" excuse for Michinaga). Though I'd also say, even wishing the DGP gone alone, like Colus in Battle Royale movie, won't guarantee Mitsume's freedom or the end of this horror, because exact words can apply, where while the DGP is finished, Sueru can continue with Desire Royale instead and still held Mitsume captive as Goddess of Creation for DR.

Sarah's and Keiwa's parents obviously didn`t die before their children were born ;) Plus, even if we imagine that there is already the necessary supply of taken happiness to fulfill the desire of a particular winner, like a case with money for participants in a reality show, then during the game itself there is a collection for the next . Plus, we don't know if all wishes have the same price. That is, unlike Sh Ranger, I don't think that Keiwa's desire threatens to overpopulate. I am more inclined to believe that millions of people will be resurrected while millions of others will die. Given the huge sample, some of the resurrected and remaining will obviously be happy, but for the majority it will be a disaster.

I don't think Kekera has turned. He's Keiwa's supporter through and through.
I think the situation is that just because he's on Keiwa's team doesn't mean he's on Sara's team. So he used Sara as a form of creating suffering to convince Beroba to revive Keiwa.

That said, it's entirely possible he is a manipulative bastard and he's just really good at it. I guess I just want to have hope for the funny frog statue.

Beroba is the best supporter of all, although a bad person. Kekera may be the same. Or play an even more complex multi-move game, which will eventually lead to a positive result. Or just be a local DJ Sagara.

In the end I doubt what Ace is wishing for will actually change much in the long run. Because Sueru is likely using this as a the Desire Royale?s as a tv pilot. Hence, why he?s willing to allow Ace and Michinaga to end the DGP. Not only was he potentially angling to get rid of it anyway, but what better way for the Desire Royale to succeed from the jump than by including two of the games most succesful and prominent players. He?s dangling the carrot of them getting to make wishes the DGP would allow them to grant just so they?ll participate. This way the Desire Royale becomes and instant success. So even if Ace wins, Sueru wins. Sure the DGP?s gone and Mitsume?s free, but Tsumuri has already shown signs of creation powers. If the DGP is wished away he?ll just turn Tsumuri into their next goddess, head to a new period, and continue the Desire Royale. It?s no different than NBC losing Cheers and replacing it with Frasier.

I completely agree, but this is a show, which means that good will find a way to win in the final of the show. So Sueru will definitely lose. Although Tsumuri can still get hurt, even though Takahashi had previously preferred torturing female characters rather than killing them.

Sure, it's possible, but it takes a lot more effort and the risk outweighs the reward. You say the dead Riders have a right to continue living, but unlike civilians like the Sakurais lost in the Jyamar Areas, the Riders made a choice to fight, so they basically forfeit their right when they signed up for a death game and died. If a man pokes a bear and the bear kills him, that is just cause and effect. DGP are wrong for creating the scenario, but the man should still take responsibility for his fatal choice. If anybody deserves a second chance at life (other than Win who was killed against the game rules), surely it should be those poor civilians who had no choice in their deaths, which is also a smaller number than the dead Riders so they won't overpopulate too much.

That still makes the funny frog statue a bad dude though. He made a deal with Sara to bring back Keiwa and keep him out of DR on the condition that Sara entered in his place, which she fulfilled, only for Kekera to put Keiwa in DR immediately after.

Who's to bet Kekera is toying with Keiwa's life and having him turn against Ace? I just hope that the fox & tanuki's friendship doesn't get thrown away.

Tycoon deserves to turn against Kekera for manipulating him.

Yeah, I'm talking about the previous supplies as wishes, though dunno about the prices of the wishes. The Sakurai parents died before the series began thus even if it's not in distant past, they're still the supplies for Keiwa's timeline as a Rider that he has no chance to act against the events in that time of his parents' death. I thought for the current people in their Rider timeline, they can try to save civilians (and Riders) as much as they can so they won't get to be used as supplies if they didn't get reset. For the happiness, afaik it's done by the wiped memories and desires after world recreation, which can be returned by ID Core, should find a way to perform a global scale of that.

Why supporting Keiwa means you get free pass to, like, mistreat Sara? He dehumanizes Sara, treating her as a story element for his ideal hero, rather than living being, no different from other supporters (though he can likely get development like them too). Not liking the approach of how being good/bad seems to be merely decided by being on Keiwa's side or not, thus Kekera is automatically a saint because he supports Keiwa (and thus who even just disagree with Keiwa are worst pos).

None says that the civilians aren't considered here in place of the Riders. Would be both obviously for revival that Mitsume can do. I'm refering to the civilians for Mitsume personally reviving them like Sakurai parents that got no second chance after being killed but in this world it can happen. This isn't that complex tbh, actually have Keiwa join in destroying the DGP too, but doesn't mean letting go and accepting the losses by doing so, both stopping the cycle as well as bringing back at least those civilians, as Mitsume has her powers (though ofc dunno how she'd react to the DGP and previous events later). It's still fully unknown

And regarding the Riders, I agree that the personal choice to risk life for what they want should be respected if they want it, but I think it's not limited to DGP participants, like main protagonists officially taking up Kamen Rider mantle also puts themselves in a world of danger, and they still deserve to be helped (and would you say its ok for people in DGP to leave them for dead because they have no right anymore, instead of rescuing them if able?), and there are some who outright died, and come back later like final form debut. Or how irl soldiers who consciously join a deadly occupation deserve to get aid, in or out of battle (like treating the wounds).

Kekera should be called out for his BS, like previous supporters. Misery builds character approach also seems to be overlooked irl because it's often done by authority figures that educates.