As we've all expected, Samas conveniently reappeared in this episode. So, either she'll be unceremoniously killed in episode 49, or she'll be let loose to become the villain or side villain of the V-Cinext episodes.

Girori also conveniently reappeared, because the current plot needs a DGP insider who can betray Sueru.

Sueru turned out to have a convenient time-manipulation ability. Why has this crucial ability never been told, shown, or at least hinted at in previous episodes? Well, because this story is written by Yuuya Takahashi. This kind of 11th hour surprise out of nowhere (aka asspull) has always been a staple in Takahashi's book of tricks. The last time he used it was in the last 2 episodes of The High School Heroes, and he succesfully messed up the story.

What's more laughable is the fact that the VIP's (who, like Sueru, are the people from the real world, aka Gods with capital G) can be easily intimidated merely by verbal abuses from 2 mortal humans (Kousei & Neon). Gods can be intimidated by humans? Yeah, right.

Shouldn't we call Sueru, Niram, Samas, Ziin, etc the people from the real world? Ace's world is just a virtual world created by Sueru and other people from the real world. Why do the writers insist on calling Sueru etc the people from the future, not the people from the real world? Are the writers trying to mislead the audience just to give the story a sense of stake? Geats is not a time travel story like Den-O or Timeranger. Geats is similar to The Thirteenth Floor or West World, not Back to the Future.

You're right. Nothing would've changed if Sueru or the people from the real world turned out to be actual kaijins, robots, programs, or beings from 11th dimension. They are Gods (with capital G) with absolute impunity.

Virtually everything about Geats is as far-fetched as possible. The writers of Geats only have one goal: Putting a square peg into a round hole.

This. Once again, truer words have never been spoken. The writers are so drunk with their own bullshit. Geats is so full of shit it's finally collapsed from the sheer weight of its own shit.

Niram's realism is total bullshit, too. Ace's world is a simulated/virtual world. What kind of realism is there to exist in a virtual world? What kind of realism is there to exist in an environment where everything, EVERY, SINGLE, THING, be it mundane or crucial (e.g.: death) can be manipulated and toyed with according to someone's whim? The definition of reality: Something that can't be changed, whether you believe it or not, no matter how much you try. If there exists a reality where everything can be changed, then it's NOT a reality, but only imagination/simulation. This is the philosophical aspect that makes Geats the most absurd story ever exist. I'm thoroughly convinced that the writers of this show don't give a single damn about logical consequences, let alone philosophical consequences.

This. I concur. If everything is red, then nothing is red. To continue my previous point: If everything can be changed, then nothing can be changed. This is the ontological fact that Takahashi has utterly, spectacularly failed to grasp.

If something as crucial as death can be toyed with, then what's the point of death (and life)? Death in Geats is just another pack of popcorn: Cheap, easily mass-manufactured, and has no nutritional value. It's completely meaningless and carries no weight whatsoever. The story ends up stakeless. If life is meaningless without the threat of death, then what's the point of the lives of the people of Ace's world? If their deaths can be toyed with, then their lives and existence is pointless in the first place. Their whole lives and existence is totally meaningless. They're identical to The Sims characters. They're just automatons to be toyed with. A very sad existence.

Geats gives off a very strong nihilistic aura. It looks like the writers are more than committed to defy all meaning, all logic, and all sense of reality. Geats is a story that can only be written by people who are out of touch with reality. A story about manipulating reality turned out to be written by a bunch of nihilists. Surprise, surprise.

Are you sure? Geats is a colossal, gigantic pile of nonsensical mess with obscene amount of plot twists (or rather, asspulls), multiple instances of violation of internal logic, ad-hoc logic, idiot plots, irrational decision-making, plot convenience, blatant manipulation, and other methods of contrivance and writing cheats known to mankind. It's the most bloated, contrived, convoluted story I've ever seen. Virtually every episode has at least one of those cheats. One could probably write a thesis out of Geats.

I believe you'll find waaay more things to scold Takahashi for more than things to praise him for. It has disproportionately more downsides than upsides. Geats is kinda like cocaine: Something that gives instant pleasure for 30 minutes, and causes irreversible brain damage thereafter.

There's nothing odd about it. Takahashi and his writers are so drunk with their own bullshit. Drunk people have a very bad sense of time. Drunk people keep drinking the night away, and before they realize it's morning already. The writers keep indulging themselves with their own bullshit, and before they realize it's episode 48 already. Heck, they were even still indulging themselves in episode 45 by making a totally useless reappearance of Kanato/KR Dapan.

At the very latest, they should've started to go deeper with Sueru's plan (if it exists at all) in episode 39. But instead, they made him disappear, and replaced him with a literal puppet character that added nothing to the story. Instead, we were given more useless arcs (Keiwa arc & Gang Rider arc). If you still haven't told anything about your main villain in the last 20% of your story, then you have a big problem. Sueru is basically Gifu v2.0. Or probably even worse than Gifu.

Well, what can we expect from drunk people? Stupid decisions.

This episode doesn't feel a little emptier than usual because Geats is empty in the first place. It's just the audience have finally realized that behind the facade of all those pretty and handsome actors, nice costumes, fancy camera tricks, and shiny, glittering visual effects, Geats is just an empty husk that tells no actual story. If everything can be changed, then nothing can be changed. Without change, there's no story. Nothing.

Who is this ?we? you talk of? Only you?ve been complaining that she hasn?t been a regular. No-one else batted an eyelid.

[QUOTE]Girori also conveniently reappeared, because the current plot needs a DGP insider who can betray Sueru.[/QUOTE

It?s hardly convenient. He?s been established as the only member of the DGP staff who cared about the world saving premise, as opposed to keeping things realistic (Niramu), creating cheap drama (Chirami), keeping the cash cow alive (Sueru and Samas) and inflicting sadism on people (Zitt)

Does it need to be? The final boss always has something that gives him an advantage to justify his final boss status.


The VIPs are human too. And unlike the Supporters don?t have any kind of transformation that could potentially give them an edge against threats to their safety (most of them have likely never been in a fight before)

No, because the show has made clear that they are from the future countless times. None of the technology they show exists or is similar to anything in the present day (Ziin said that Beroba was 350 years old, over 3 times that of the longest lived human). If the world was virtual, Sueru would?ve switched it off, not bothered with a grandiose plan to kill Geats.

[QUOTE]You're right. Nothing would've changed if Sueru or the people from the real world turned out to be actual kaijins, robots, programs, or beings from 11th dimension. They are Gods (with capital G) with absolute impunity.[AUOTE]

Again, the fact that Geats and friends have been able to overpower and even kill them would say very differently.

Yes, because a franchise about guys who use belts to don armour instantly and beat up genetically modified monsters, demons and aliens is totally plausible.

Tell me you haven?t been paying attention to Geats without saying you haven?t been paying attention to Geats.
grasp.

And if Geats wasn?t the first show in a long time in which dead characters actually stayed dead, that would mean something.

The fact that the only people complaining about the show seem to be people like you and Mesnick who make it their mission to complain about the show, I have no idea where you?re getting this opinion. Geats in general has received more positive praise than negative.


The one part of this that actually is a good point. Ace?s whole arc concluded with Geats IX?s debut. After that, he?s mostly jsut settled into the supporting protagonist role to give others the limelight. Which is still better than how every other Reiwa Primary is only the main Rider because the title demands it.

Because they already did thatt in episode 32: He wants to replace Mitusme with Tsumuri as the Goddess of Creation, leave the world of the present behind with everyone?s memories of the DGP wiped for good and then start again elsewhere. He?s not a megalomaniac trying to conquer the world, he?s an amoral producer trying to keep a show built off Sadie?s alive so the sociopaths of the future can get their jollies. But, he hasn?t announced his ?world takeover schem?, so ergo, he?s badly written in your mind.

A rant like yours?

Again, you seem blissfully unaware of any positive praise for the show and are blatantly inserting your own opinions into other people?s mouths. A lot of people have said that Geats is the strongest Reiwa instalment yet. And then you and Mesnick are basically going ahead with Frogification.

So this is the question: why? No immoral producer wants to be an immoral producer. He wants to take a position in which all his desires will be satisfied and no punishment will follow. Why did Sueru initially decide to modernize the show after having the Goddess of Creation at his disposal? Because of the obligations to the audience? They are in the future, which he can easily change. Even if the forces of the Goddess of Creation cannot directly influence them, changing the past will inevitably change the future. Which, by the way, is completely omitted from the show and is most likely evidence that the "people of the future" were not spelled out in the original script. But back to Sueru.
He is like a billionaire who works as a janitor to yell at people and spends his money to keep and expand this job, becoming the janitor of the universe. Once again, my question is: why, with the ability to fulfill your desires for 2000 years, takes care of the interests of viewers from the distant future?
Also: Sueru is not a producer, the producers are Niram and Samas. In principle, he can be called a co-producer, and they are executive producers, but in the show itself, if memory serves, Suera was not called a producer.

And in the "General Kamen Rider Thoughts" theme, Geats leads the category: "The show everyone loves but I hate." So most likely most of those who did not like the show were simply far behind in viewing. And in general, for a more or less stable assessment, it is necessary that at least a couple of years have passed after the broadcast, Fourze will confirm. Plus, what's the point of relying on the opinions of others? Zi-O won the absolute leader in sales, but this does not stop anyone from scolding the show. Although money votes here, not words on the Internet, which is more significant. Everyone has their own opinion and is entitled to it.

Well, that would require Geats to give me something I want. I don't get it from him. But in general, stop trying to find the Mariana Trench in a puddle. Perhaps if someone doesn't like what you like it just means different tastes. And maybe if their arguments seem nitpicky to you, that means you have different priorities. Why, again, as a fan of the show about ambiguity, are you in a hurry to divide everyone into good and bad? The last episodes of Revice have been full of negative comments, and even if Geats, in your opinion, does not deserve them, then this is only your opinion. And even if 7,888 billion people support it, this does not negate freedom of speech for those who are against it.Therefore, argue with statements, and do not look for motives. Avatar diagnoses are rarely justified.
Plus, seriously, why stand up for Sueru? I am sure that even the one for whom Geats first and only watched the show about riders will not call him his favorite villain.

In Saber, the final battle took about four episodes, and the audience liked such a long ending. But as for the emptiness, I tend to blame it on the same desire to set a record for riders. Perhaps if there were fewer DGP leaders, there would be time for Sueru to develop. In general, I would make Girori the final boss, letting him alternately be Glare, Geyser, Regad and Regad Omega. After all, he pretended to be a barmaid, being a Gamemaster. So if he was pretending to be a Gamemaster while actually being Sueru (what's his position? Never mind) it would be quite in character. At the same time, an intrigue would arise: did Ace win against the will of the head of the DGP, or was he only allowed to play a game within a game?
But in general, it seems to me that it was precisely in order to add interest and emotion to the final fight that Tsumuri was introduced. The audience may be certain about Sueru's death, almost sure about Ace's fate, but they'll have to worry about Tsumuri.

Niram's realism is total bullshit, because he blew up Buffa and when Michinaga survive, Niram called it realism. Or because he thought that if Ace's mother voluntarily agreed to turn into a wish-granting statue, then it would be more realistic. In general, if you think about it, it seems that Niram should have called for honesty, but either the writers could not remember the right word, or they decided that "realism" sounded more intriguing. I can condescendingly assume that, as a person from the future, Niram is not familiar with the term "realism" and therefore uses it incorrectly. But this, again, is an excuse for what is shown in the show, which the viewers should not do.

At least Suel has the common decency to show up for the final arc and actually asserts himself personally, unlike Gif who has Akaishi do all the talking for him. Even Jit is an avatar of Suel.

Honestly, the overarching main villains of Reiwa Rider are all pretty bad so far. Ark, Gif and Suel are virtually impossible to relate to and while Isaac can be entertaining, he's not interesting at all. The last time I truly enjoyed a main villain was Evolt.

I have to wonder why those lovey-dovey End Riders didn't just de-henshin before detonation though. Or rather, why anybody accepted the Desire Drivers to start with, after Black Tsumuri's condolences. I couldn't take it seriously when one of the End Riders enthusiastically declared, "I want to be the happy one!", haha. The rules of this DGP seem poorly enforced.

Nah, I'm with Ace on this one. Considering their sibling relationship, I think it's totally reasonable for him to refer to Tsumuri as his big sis, so Tsumuri seems overly stubborn for continuing to deny him even though she admits they're more than mere acquaintances. Feels like she just doesn't want to give him the satisfaction of being right.

Yeah, I'm not really feeling it either. Even Geats' big comeback last week was overshadowed by the big conclusion to Keiwa's arc. While Ace has continued to be a critical part of the plot, his character development hasn't really gone anywhere in this arc and the trailer for next week looks focused on everybody else once more. Way too much happening, way too fast. At least, nobody's screaming, "oh no, Ace is losing his memories!", so it could be worse.

That's.... Exactly how an immoral producer would act though.

Can we really presume the future people are affected by normal causation? I recall Ziin explained that their lives are designed perfectly from birth to death, which exempts them from any changes in the past. However, with the required authentication, you can still target them with a desire card as long as they're physically present in the world of the DGP setting, as proven by Ace, Beroba and Kekera. Or there's the Samas method: Gun.

Agreed.

Congrats on your 1500th post anyway.

Well, that's too high a bar for me. Personally, I can call him the best villain of the entire franchise and therefore do not expect a repetition of his level in the near future.


I think she wants Ace to admit that he's the older one.

Yes, but why would he take the job of a producer? He cannot be forced to do this because of the limitless possibilities of the Goddess of Creation under his control. And it doesn't seem like he's enjoying it because of his too little participation in the process.

I am sure that with the Goddess of Creation, you can arrange a heavenly life for yourself, completely safe from other people of the future. Perhaps it would even be possible to create your own clone, which would continue to entertain them with their favorite show, if their leisure is so important to him.


Thanks.

So I disagree with most everything you've posted, but because most of it is you hating what you think the themes of Geats are, fine, subjective interpretation, even if you do seem to have not paid attention to half of the premise of the DGP. But I will push back on just insulting the writers and claiming they're drunk on their own bullshit of whatever. You not personally liking a show doesn't mean the showrunners are idiots high off their own fumes or whatever, especially when the themes of Geats feel pretty self-explanatory imo. Whether or not people are inherently selfish, in a society that pits people against each other for entertainment or profit, or whether or not we can come together idealistically and work for a common good. This last episode is just that reiterated again, except even more obviously.

You hate it, fine. But you can criticise something without insinuating the writers are idiots or that everyone hates it, neither of which are true. And Geats definitely isn't an "empty husk" if you think about the themes for even a second.

Girori is the opposite of many future people recently presented where he wants a story with good ending, like Archimedel wanting the Jamatos to fight back against humans, Beroba wanting to plunge the world into despair, Zitt wanting to give bad endings by screwing people over, or VIPs wanting pure sadist show. But like others though, Girori's still another part of providing entertainment and treating the current populace as something to watch for the audiences, in his case is, kinda like Kekera, to highlight the "heroism" of the Riders (players) by Girori and the DGP attacking the people with Jamato they create so that the Riders can arrive to "save" them. His kind of entertainment is the good ol' "good guys always win". Here he also wants to return the DGP to be like that which means continuing the DGP, that is at odds with the main cast who wants to end it. So no, not a redemption case, just common enemy.

There's also at least Fredbob and Switchblade for this place. I don't think that places like TV-Nihon forums or Kaskus (my country personal forum) like this series either. And... would you yourself be really different in how you see Ryuki? And also there's how Sh Ranger views Gaim, DreamSword views Build, etc.

Yeah, an opinion is an opinion, and one can't argue that someone doesn't hold an opinion that they say they do. They think whatever they think. One can argue that an opinion is illogical, misguided, or misinformed though. There's also a point when one've stepped over the line of having an opinion to outright lies, when one is denial over outright facts (though overzealous people do often present their opinions as facts):

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I guess I think there's some intrigue of how it's a criticism of entertainment media. As powerful as Suel is, he still answers to those who are merely just watches. The director, producer, and all other team can bicker and maneuver all they like or turn on each other, but losing your audience? You're done. Of course though, the VIP's tastes are what leads Suel to become a threat for the world and the cast.

Posting in Die's threads, it seems that in general many main villains of most Rider series (at least both phases of Heisei until now) are all pretty bad. People like Shiro (though I personally got more into his character thanks to akinoame's analysis), Tennoji, Masato Mishima, Kai (though Die loves him), King, Adel (for many people), Swartz, etc. Those who get fan approval are those that aren't in main like Ouja, Heart, Kuroto, Vail, Beroba, etc. There's also the brief final bosses like Arch Orphnoch, Sigma, Gamedeus, Giff, and I guess Suel kinda acts like this too. It's a shame though while I think Geats can break some of the things that I think are mediocre in many, like for example plot mysteries (I also think that Build stands out in this - both Build and Geats are among most fast-paced KR show IMO though), female Rider, fight choreography, it doesn't apply for the main villain too.....

I felt that Ace's character development has been complete, since ep. 38 of his reunion with Mitsume. getting an answer of why he's reincarnating, and getting a new calling of life based on that reunion and the reveal of his powers, of creating a world where everyone is happy. Now Ace is just the cornerstone among the good guys who shapes those around him and affect them. Keiwa's conclusion did come from him following Ace's teachings over Kekera's after all.

Yeah this. Those who dislike something should also realize that it's their own opinion, and not that they're the only ones who are enlightened with everyone else, like the writers or showrunners, being insulted for not being like them or their tastes. Hating seems to be often used as a form of superiority complex, tbh, with declaring "I hate [x]" as "I'm superior and above [x]" in disguise. Like for those who hate a show and mock everyone who like it as sheeps or such. Honestly yeah, I'd like if hating isn't really revered as being rational on internet - it often happens that among opinions, liking something is looked down upon, but hating something is praised upon.

I myself don't feel too strongly for 555 and Kabuto, but I think that's the beauty of Kamen Rider. Not every season will appeal to everyone, but every season will have its fans.

I think the issue that people are having is that they're trying to see Suel and Zitto as characters, when really they should be looking at them as forces/obstacles to overcome. They don't need any depth to their motivations or anything, because ultimately they're what stand in the way of Ace's and the others' goals of a world where no one needs to trample on the happiness of others.

Wanting a villain with deep motivations and backstories is normal and fine, but at the same time, I feel like people have lost the ability to appreciate villains who exist solely as a force to be dealt with.

Do you mean "villain Riders" when you said "main Riders"? Because you listed a bunch of villains instead of main Riders and talking about them. Hell, several of them didn't even transform into Riders to begin with. I always thought that the villains in Kamen Rider were fine, honestly. Nothing to ever really complain about from me, but I do get why some people might find them lacking.

Yea, character development doesn't always need to last throughout an entire season. Sometimes characters just finish growing before the end, like Ace did.

That's another thing I think some people had lost the ability to do; to just cut themselves off from media if they didn't vibe with it, and just try to avoid it altogether. Like there's no shame in just, avoiding talking about something that you don't like.