Shouma getting repeatedly yanked in the air by his Gavv looked painful as hell!

Except that Aguilera only became irrelevant since she was forced to live after losing her purpose in life. Sachika lives to make others happy, mostly through jobs involving physical labor, so becoming a Rider would be an appropriate choice.

Good point. Lakia's grief is different from Shouma's and Hanto's, as he feels like he failed in his responsibility as a big brother. Furthermore, the fact that the Amarga parents are stated and shown to be absent implies that just like Hanto, Lakia had already lost his parents before losing Comel to the trap of the Dark Snacks.

Vram didn't need to worry about hiding his true feelings from Gavv, since he was clearly winning that fight and his admission that he doesn't give a damn about the Dark Snacks already makes him a more credible source than Rojoe who's been eating them for 20 years. Addicts are known to be habitual liars after all.

Agreed.

Hanto just needs to remember that he is a journalist and that he should get the full story first before jumping to a dangerous conclusion about Shouma's sudden affiliation with Lakia.

Possibly. Shouma's trying so hard to befriend these two guys on opposite sides while stepping lightly around their traumatic feelings that he risks turning them both in to his enemies by omitting too much information. He needs to stop worrying about the consequences so much and just be straight with them.

Agree.

I have several new hypotheses:
- KR Valen = Fallen(?)
- Komel was actually killed by Glotta. But, if so, then why didn't she just order her agents to kill him? Why would she, a Stomach top brass, kill a mere lowly part-timer by herself and risk being suspected by the Granute authorities?
- Komel's internal organ was actually the one that was implanted into Hanto's body in episode 6. Although, any Granutes who died and or operated on prior to episode 6 are possible candidates, including random Stomach part-timers and or Dark Snack junkies, Kid Shouma, or even Bouche. Komel was alive when he returned home, albeit dying, so perhaps his internal organ was extracted before he escaped to Lage 9 home? Also, if that internal organ is the crucial organ that makes a Granute a Granute, then can a Granute survive without it? This may also refute my hypothesis in the episode 6 thread here that Kid Shouma was the elusive Wolf Granute who kidnapped Hanto's mom 18 years ago, although Kid Shouma was able to survive likely due to him being a human-Granute hybrid.
- Lango and Glotta should've ordered their agents to spy on Hanto/KR Valen to uncover his identity and eliminate him as quickly as possible since the first time he appeared in episode 6, especially after Glotta directly encountered Hanto and saw him transform into KR Valen right before her two eyes in episode 7. Now that it's revealed that they're also ignorant of the fact that KR Vram is Lage 9, it makes even more sense for Lango and Glotta to order their agents to spy on KR Vram to uncover his identity and eliminate him as well. They just need to order their agents not to do stupid things like shown at the beginning of episode 19. If I were Lango and Glotta, then I'd think like drug lords that still have normal, healthy, and well-functioning logic, rationality, and common sense, and I would've immediately ordered my agents to hunt Hanto/KR Valen down right after Glotta encountered him in episode 7. If I were Lango and Glotta, then I'd have immediately eliminate everyone that dare to threat my operations. Gosh, Lango and Glotta are soooooooooooooooo conveniently dumb!
- Perhaps Sachika is the only character that would be revealed to have a connection with a law enforcement organization, at least one from the human world? So far, she's the only protagonist among the main trio who has virtually no back story (at all!). Perhaps the writers went full Yuuya with her and the reveal of her backstory would be something surprising or even shocking? Perhaps her dad was a private investigator or a detective from Tokyo police department who investigated Stomach's part-timers in the human world prior to the invention of the Hito Press process, and was killed by Stomach's agents/goons like I hypothesized in the episode 12 thread here?
- Even the police in the human world should've already begun to connect the dots when many regular citizens of the human world (who are actually Stomach's part-timer Granutes in disguise) started to show similar patterns of strange behavior, especially when the part-timer Granutes still kidnapped whole humans. The Hito Press process is only recently implemented, and like several character said the Granute part-timers kidnapped whole humans during the previous 20 years(!). 20 years worth of missing person cases with almost identical circumstances, combined with regular citizens (who are actually Stomach's part-timer Granutes in disguise) showing similar patterns of strange/suspicious behavior, should've already been recorded and investigated by the Tokyo police department. Perhaps Sachika's dad is/was a detective/investigator from the Tokyo police department or at least connected to those cases like I mentioned above? It'd be very very very stoooooooooopid if there's no law enforcement organization in the human world that has been able connect the dots. It'd be even stoooooooooopider if there's no law enforcement organization in the Granute world that's aware of the existence of Dark Snacks as drugs, at least the existence of a novelty creational food that has addictive effect and has created many dysfunctional junkies in the Granute society. Dark Snacks are sold by the Stomach's agents at the exact same booths (featuring their company's logo!) where they sell their regular products, so the Granute police should've already investigated it and connected the dots since a very very veeeeeeeeeery long time ago. If the police can succesfully bust drug lords who sell their merchs at dark alleys, then they should've succeeded busting Stomach's brazen operation. No way the Granute police are still in the dark after 2 decades of Stomach's Dark Snack operation. Heck, if Lage 9, a mere ordinary civilian with virtually zero detective/investigative skills, was able to connect the dots and trace the name Dark Snacks to Stomach corporation in just several months, then the Granute police should've had done 1.000.000x more than what he did, right? Right? Right?
- Also, what happened to the humans inside the university class room in episode 19? Even if Lage 9 was able to make them hallucinate until the effect of his toxin wore off, at least several seconds before he injected his toxin they saw him reveal himself as a Granute, so everyone in the room was made fully aware of the existence of non-human intelligence of extra-terrestrial nature. Yet, the Tokyo police are still unable to connect the dots after Lage 9's massive screw-up? Gosh, what a pathetically, laughably, indefensibly stupid story. It's another fundamental law in Gavv's story: No stupidity = No plots.
- Lage 9 whose redemption is already hinted would visit Shouma at Hapipare, and there he'd then encounter Sachika and start to develop a crush on her, haha.:lol His situation could be similar to how Naoya Kaido developed a crush on Mari Sonoda in KR Faiz or how Chase developed a crush on Kiriko Shijima in KR Drive.

That's why it's an infodump. An awful infodump.

Shouma/KR Gavv has already missed the best chance with Hanto/KR Valen? What about Hanto himself? Right in front of Hanto's two eyes, Shouma has already showed and demonstrated many incriminating pieces of evidence that he's not just a normal human with implanted with a Granute's internal organ. The ship of common sense has already sailed, and this story is miserably left behind.

Several people said that Toshiki Inoue's secret identity trope was the worst because it lasted 10 more episodes compared to KR Gavv, but I don't think that's the case. Toshiki Inoue's worst execution of his favorite trope was in KR Faiz where several key relationships like Takumi-Kiba and Yuka-Keitaro dragged for way too long, which I 100% concur. But, at least those characters in KR Faiz very rarely shared incriminating information/evidence about their true selves/intentions before the actual reveal. At least those characters in KR Faiz kept their cards very close to their chest. What makes KR Gavv's sEcReT iDeNtItY trope is 10x worse than KR Faiz's is the fact that many characters have shown many incriminating pieces of evidence to the opposite party, especially in Shouma-Hanto relationship like I mentioned in the first paragraph above, among many others. The fact that Hanto is still unable to read between the lines and connect the dots despite the many incriminating pieces of evidence only demonstrates that KR Gavv's story is a big idiot plot.

That's why I used question marks there, bruh. I was asking, not saying. It was a conditional question. That paragraph was solely based on what's shown in the preview section in episode 19. What would actually happen is likely Shouma and Lage 9 kill the guarding agents before entering the interworld portal. Perhaps the dumb one is not me?

Sachika is irrelevant because she has virtually zero connection to backstories of Shouma, Hanto, and other characters. Unlike previous KR heroines, she's a 100% complete stranger to all the protagonists and or villains. Like I said in my hypothesis above, her utter lack of backstory could be a sign that her backstory would reveal something surprising or even shocking. I see a 70-80% chance that the writers likely went full Yuuya with her. Perhaps her backstory would be hinted, teased, or even revealed after KR Bitter Gavv's debut.

Also, why is being able to do physical things make someone an appropriate candidate for becoming a Rider? Hina Izumi in KR OOO was even able to do many more physical things much much much better than Sachika will ever do in a million years. Mizuki Mizusawa had become an action girl in KR Amazons season 2. Renge Takatori in KR Kabuto and Hana (and Kohana!) in KR Den-O were even able to fight on their own. Does that make them appropriate candididates for becoming Riders, even if the stories didn't need them to? Please stop making everyone (especially a heroine) a Rider just to make them more relevant to the story.

And my reply wasn't even directed at your conditional question, it's at the statement "Don't know!". If you have just provided your hypothesis just like you did in this quoted reply rather than simply stating "Don't know!", I would have been fine with it.

Shrugs, I never claim myself to be smart, but you're not doing youself any favors if you didn't double check who you're quoting...(sorry about this, SH Ranger).

I'd argue that Donbrothers has a worse example of this trope, with a member of the core 5 not being revealed to the others until just before the final arc.

I don't think you're dumb, but I also don't think you understand the concept of common sense either, since you're the only one constantly bringing that up. Also, you keep referring to Granute Chooul as "(bird?) Granute" for some reason, which is annoying to read.

Sachika was a 100% complete stranger, but now she's Shouma's friend, which is more than Shouma can say about any of his patrilineal family besides Dente. Her lack of shared backstory doesn't make her irrelevant, since she has emotional significance. Caking only exists due to her nurturing trait, which you value in heroines, but now you're dismissing it. Once more, your idea of a good heroine is clearly different to mine. I would've gladly argued against your Mai essay from the Gotchard thread if you hadn't told me you were finished talking about it.

Due to the fact that a Rider who sucks at doing physical things would get beaten up and probably killed like Letter. Like, sure, becoming a Rider doesn't necessarily add anything to a character, but it doesn't take away either. The only possible downside is that the suit could suck (Aguilera) or scrap a better suit (R.I.P. Kanon Specter). It sounds like you expect me to disagree with Hina and Kohana being Rider candidates, but I'd actually be cool with that. For Kabuto though, I would suggest Misaki before Renge.

We're cool. Zolda's goof, not yours.

What???:confused::confused::confused: Your reply was directed at my "Don't know!" statement?:confused: I said "Don't know!" because, like you said, I (and you and everyone else) didn't know since the episode 20 had not been broadcasted. When I said "Don't know!", I mean it, because, well, I didn't know, since there were many possibilities.

I'm not sure what makes you not fine with me saying "Don't know!". "Don't know!" = I don't know. Duh.

Thanks for pointing out the wrong links. I've just edited the links on that post.

I didn't like that part of Donbrothers either, but the main reason why KR Faiz's sEcReT iDeNtIty trope was worse than Donbrothers' is because those Faiz's characters knew each other, while Tsubasa Inuzuka/Inu Brother was mainly only close to Kijino. Toshiki Inoue's best writing of the secret identity trope was in KR Agito, which was done tastefully in proper dose. To me, Agito is the superior version of Faiz, or rather, Faiz it the watered down version of Agito, haha.

Of course, the bad writing of Donbrothers' and KR Faiz's sEcReT iDeNtIty trope were nothing, I mean, nothing, compared to how atrocious the sEcReT iDeNtIty trope in KR Gavv between Shouma and Hanto due to the many incriminating pieces of evidence shown to Hanto. Gavv's atrocious writing makes Donbrothers' and KR Faiz's sEcReT iDeNtIty trope look like masterpiece, haha.

That quoted paragraph obviously contain typos that resulted in the wrong link and user name. No need to reply to a post that contain a wrongly attributed quote, since you knew you never said that quoted paragraph in the first place. I've just corrected that post. Not sure how I pasted the wrong link and user name, haha.

And why are you annoyed with me calling the Granute of the week in episodes 17-18 the (bird?) Granute?:confused: I call it the (bird?) Granute due to it's hideous, ugly appearance, haha. Perhaps the designers from Plex intended for the Granutes of the week to be very hideous and ugly. I'm fine with the designs of the Stomach family members, though.

Your statement about me dismissing the nurturing trait that I value in heroines is one of the most fatal forms of faulty logic/reasoning called a straw man argument. What actually happens: I've never dismissed it at all. Sachika nurturing trait is completely superficial. It's an illusion. Caking exists not because of Sachika's nurturing trait, but because Shouma is a dysfunctional 25(!) or 28(!) year-old man who can't even find a job for himself. If Shouma can find a job and make an income for himself, then Sachika would not need to give him jobs, and she'd be pretty much irrelevant and would be relegated to a recurring minor character. I've already elaborated several times about Shouma's dysfunctional personality since my post in episode 5 thread here. About Sachika's utter lack of backstory, I myself am not even sure if she'd be like this until this story ends or whether she'd be given a backstory in future episodes. Several members in other toku forums recently made a hypothesis, or rather, an outlandish speculation, based on a rumor that Sachika would be the final boss of this story, which if true means that the writers indeed went full Yuuya with her.

You would've gladly argued against my points about Mai from KR Gaim in KR Gotchard's thread? Bruuuhhh, I already refuted virtually all your wrong points with timestamps and screenshots. No need to repeat it.

Becoming a Rider doesn't take something away from a character, if and only if it makes sense for the story. If it makes no sense for the story, or worse, if it interferes with a character's main function (espeeeeeeeeecially as heroines), then it'd seriously hamper that character's role and contribution to the story. Pretty much the opposite, I actually expected you to agree with Hina and Kohana being Riders. Hina and Kohana being Riders would've definitely hampered their main function as heroines. Let's say hello to Rinne Kudou whose main role as Gotchard's heroine was very very very bad.

Ah yes. Making typos = Being a goof.:thumb: Thanks for helping me demonstrate how pathetically, laughably, embarrassingly, indefensibly lazy, sloppy, and atrocious KR Gavv's story, haha.:lol

Hidekazu Chinen, who plays the role of Shoma, is only 19. Most likely, this corresponds to the character's age, since he is younger than Shita and Jeebh, who were just about to get married during the events of the show. Considering the aesthetics of the Garnet world, they must be in their early 20s, otherwise the news of marriage would not have been so unexpected for them. And as for the fact that Shoma is dysfunctional, how else could he be so strong, closed off from the whole world and fully communicating only with his mother?

Yes, Shouma's actor is 19 and Kid Shouma's actor is 10 years old, but Shouma's actual age has never been mentioned. It'd make no sense if I choose Shouma's actor's age as his in-universe age, since it'd mean that he was only 1 year old when Hanto's mom was kidnapped 18 years ago, which makes no sense at all.

If Kid Shouma's age was at least 7 years old (by using Kid Shouma's actor's actual age minus 3) 18 years ago, then it'd make waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more sense than using Shouma's actor's age. That's why I chose to go with Kid Shouma's actor's age which gives the range of 25-28 years old.

Say, if Shouma's in-universe age is 21-23 years old like you said, then it'd still makes no sense because it means his age 18 years ago was only 3-5 years old, which is obviously contradicting what's been shown on screen multiple times.

See? That's how pathetically faulty and screwed up the logic and common sense of this story is. The writers can't even get Shouma's age right! Let that sink in.

Dysfunctionality doesn't mean having a weak physique, but a weak soul/personality. Like I elaborated above, the plethora of visual evidence have suggested that Shouma is at least 25 years old, so he should be able to find a job for himself without relying on Sachika. Shouma's dysfunctional personality is precisely because he only communicated with his mom prior to episode 1. He and his mom were treated abusively by Bouche and the Stomach siblings, and were practically house arrested inside Bouche's mansion. Heck, his mom was obviously very very very depressed and likely mentally disturbed due to the near a quarter of a century of toxic treatment (and house arrest!), so it only makes perfect sense if Shouma himself grow up to be a very very very dysfunctional person. This is why Bouche's utterly idiotic decision to imprison Shouma and his mom 1000% makes no sense at all. I already elaborated on this in several of my posts since episode 5.

Also, Shouma is obviously physically stronger than normal humans because he's a human-Granute hybrid, but compared to normal, pure-blooded Granutes such as the Granute of the week in episode 1, Shouma is a total weakling loser, let alone compared to the Stomach family members. He even admitted that fact himself when he fought the Granute of the week in episode 1 before transforming into KR Gavv.

But why? We know that Hanto's mother did not die during the abduction. In Showma's flashback, she is quite calm, so we can assume that she has been working as a servant for someone from Stomatch for a long time.

Strong disagree!

If I was limited to replying to only the posts addressed to me, then my post count would only be a tiny fraction of what it is now.

You typing out "the Granute of the week in episodes 17-18" makes me think that you're actively trying to call him anything but his actual name. "(bird?) Granute" is repetitive to have to read over and over again and doesn't even imply anything about his physical appearance other than maybe looking like a bird. It's unnecessary.

You make it sound like getting a job is easy, regardless of Granute super strength. There's no point talking about a hypothetical character who isn't socially awkward (almost like he's been locked away from the outside world or something, oh wait, he was), as then we wouldn't be talking about Shouma anymore. This is the setting and characters we've got, so this is what I'm concerned with. Even if Shouma could get a job, that wouldn't bring him happiness. Sachika's main role is to give Shouma happiness, not just jobs. So Sachika is essential for Caking's creation.

Regarding Shouma's age, I'm open to the suggestion that he might be slightly older than Chinen, but only slightly, most likely early 20s. 25-28 would be excessive, as that would make him older than 23 year-old Hanto. Unless we consider differences in longevity between humans and Granutes. How old is an old Granute anyway?

You don't get to call my points wrong simply by presenting your argument and then immediately shutting down the debate:

"Ah, I've just remembered that this is Gochard's thread, so this should be my last post talking about Gaim here, haha."

The lawyer doesn't get to shut down the prosecutor. The case is open. Like I said, I'm willing to present my counterargument, but I'm not interested in debating for the sake of being right. It needs to be constructive and right now, it's clear that you don't want your essay to be challenged. So I won't, but I assure you that I can. And if you call my bluff, then I will.

Kohana is a Singularity Point, which makes her eligible to become a Rider in Den-O's setting. All she'd need is a Driver and a contract with an Imagin.

Hina could've become Birth after Date went to get his brain surgery, but Gotou took over the role instead. Honestly, I think she would've been a great Birth.

Yeah, let's say hello to Kudo Rinne who's intentionally not supposed to be a good heroine since her main role is officially Gotchard's co-protagonist according to Producer Minato. We've already been through this. Why are you still judging her based on irrelevant criteria?