I think you should stay away from alcohol, lest a thread about how Vexacus is a cool name pops up. :p

Chaotic arguments aside, I hope this isn't the most exciting thing about Power Rangers will have to look forward to.

ant that the dvd sub realse where they justed used the TV nihon subbs for it so i have heared i might be wrong

well actually that plays right into it so thanks!
This is why I get so bent out of shape. years ago at a con A media blasters rep said "I'm always trying to get my bosses to license more Sentai" Which I took to really mean Toku. so being young an niave I tried a web petition to show support and after a tousand signatures sent them a print out with a proffessional cover letter.

Throughout all of this TV-N was calling me a liar, saying no such rep existed and I was making it up.

back then there was another Toku Web site Called Japan-Hero. the owner of the site was a marketing major so after all the "I was a liar" I went to another Con and got the reps name. The owner contact them and we got a second more formal push going.

Again TV-N said WE were now liars and did everything they could to harrass us. mentioning it on their boards got you banned and the thread deleted.

Jump forward to ANOTHER con, it was aksed in front of an Audience to the president of Media blasters......not if they WERE GOING to release a Toku, but merely if they were INTERESTED. they said yes.

TV-N now began to call Me, the owner of Japan Hero and EVERY NERD SITE who reported on that panel liars. to the point where members of TV-N got one of those "We're going to post an email exchange we've been having with..." sort of news stories.

Then Kamen Rider the First got released. And Media blasters stated (In fact I just talked to the president back in Jan. and he re-stated this) that so many fans pushing for something got them to release it.

Then TV-N said the DVD stole their subs. (comparison attached)

The point? Some person said something to me, Someone one the internet who hasn't there refused to believe it and engaged in a campaign to prove it.....and even once they were wrong kept attacking. And what became of all those involved? I own a two Toku DVDs from Media Blasters (ALL i ever wanted out of it) and TV-N eventually booted out some of their founding members (those same ones who engaged in an almost 18 month campaign of harassment)

So that's why years later I get bend out of shape when someone tells me I don't know what I'm talking about when I relay something that HAPPENED.

oh right i did not know that i just heard they used TV-Nihons subs is the film subbs diffrent then or any good

Very good.

So because of an experience that happened years ago, you're going to doubt the existance of what was said, insults throw around and people being patronizing because you have stars in your eyes over this "deep, dark, gritty PR?"


Again, your comparing apples and oranges, and... what's this? Taking my opinion personally? Yeah, you haven't done that yet.

I'd take an actor who wanted more money and was a bit bossy and pushy over someone who I don't know from Adam demanding people give them money and insulting them when we ask why.

Oh right, it didn't happen.

Simple. You asked.

Here's the most ironic thing in all this: You won't believe for a minute that Cardenas has changed, based on personal experience, but when two people (one the Admin of this website) tell you that these guys are douchebags, the thought process you have is that "well, people change."

Time does change people. And so what if Cardenas demanded more money, wanting more pay, he certainly didn't reach out to the fans themselves and insult them in the process.

I think your problem is that you don't read enough. I never called you a liar, nor a troll. Try rereading my post again. I was told by others to not feed the troll. I never called you that. (Please note, the aforementioned was most certainly an insult. Maybe you'll learn the difference now.)

Honestly what this boils down to is that, you seem to enjoy being abused by people, and you hold yourself in high regard because you had connections on the show. Big. Fuckin'. Deal.

No one is saying that. You're just causing more problems by saying this. And "haters gonna hate?" Really? I don't hate these people because of what they're doing. I don't even know them. How can I hate someone who I don't know. I certainly didn't like the initial meeting, but oh wait, I keep repeating that.

I'm not trying to sway anyone here. The question was asked, why no one is caring about this over, you know, real news and the response was in kind by both myself and Kickback.

Again no one is doing that. If anything, the only thing I'm hoping people aren't doing is donning the rose colored glasses from this Nolan's Power Rangers and any money donated to just be careful of.

It's called being cautious based on initial reaction. Nothing more. Like what you want to like, or "hate" it. I care not.

I own the Masked Rider the First DVD, enjoyed it (although the movie itself is not something to watch after a tiring day of work... zzzz) and immensely appreciated the effort Media Blasters made to spread Kamen Rider in the US.

I never got it when the subs were originally floating around, but I did later somehow find the retired TV-N subs of the movie. Never got around to watching them both side-by-side, see which makes more sense, but this is the first I'd ever heard of a claim that Media Blasters stole TV-Nihon's work. Weird and almost certainly untrue, but interesting to hear.

We should keep this thread on-topic though.

EDIT: That includes the heated argument over the he-said, she-said nonsense.

Just to let the record show - I have nothing personally against the creators of MMPR: A Fan Film. Nothing at all. My experience with them was "looking through the window", and their dialogue with fans at another site didn't sit well with me. But that's my personal opinion, everyone is entitled to their own.

At the end of the day, I'm just glad that Power Rangers is growing in exposure and I hope that it will continue to do so, no matter the outlet it uses. I will happily promote MMPR: A Fan Film when and if the creators ever choose to contact me directly.

:)

New update
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=uG_SSY5NFas

http://rangercast.net/?p=54

Interesting insight. Guy doing this claims to be a professor of cinematography, when in reality, he's a student. Wants to get in to the business and decided that Power Rangers has adult fans and they would be "easy to steal" and make his work popular.

This will get sued. This will get shut down.

Why am I not even surprised?

Interesting that this information comes out now the goal has been met.

I think the information was always out there, just never posted on any of the forums, but peoples' Facebook conversations, etc. They're banking on having anyone involved in Power Rangers over the years to help get interest for their "film" and using it as fan-bait.

Kind of sad really.

I just really don't get the hate, They have the appropriate disclaimers, they have alumni, they have regular updates and video messages. I feel like I'm being told I'm supposed to feel guilty for looking forward to this. I listen to the podcast and hear the same thing people accuse the creators of this film of being. "Their suits look butt ugly" that is an opinion....stated like a fact. It's one of the reasons I never go to RB and how people keep ignoring what they're doing NOW and keep referencing what they did THEN. and again it's something TOLD. I've said before I had a good long talk with a producer several years ago, you would not BELIEVE how many "Facts" we have from the history of Power Rangers are flat out not true.

Heck even last year we got that letter from the writers of "Forever Red" that talked about how much of the creation of Forever Red on the internet is just flat out untrue.

I really fail to see how this is any less or more than what Matt Austin is attempting.

It's the reasoning behind it.

The guy from MMPR wants to get in to the film business and popularity is the easiest way, so he chose a series that had a lot of adult fans in hopes of a quick rise to fame. He's going out and grabbing talent that have worked on Power Rangers in hopes that it'll bring even more popularity to his work (ie: Robert Axelrod, David Fielding, Ron Wasserman).

Matt Austin and his cast loved their time together and always wanted to get back together. Not being invited for Super Megaforce seemed to have brought them back together again, and he wants to do a 22 minute "fan-film" continuation of SPD using the actual cast FOR the fans. Totally non-profit, for the fans of the SPD series.

You tell me what the difference is.

every 2 to three years we as a fandom give 1 billion dollars plus to Michael Bay for an 'Official" Transformers film.

If we get something even 1% better than what he's given us,that doesn't feature Testicles, dogs humping, drugged out parents or urine jokes, I couldn't give less of a rip why the guy STARTED to do the project and care only about what the end result is.

And I don't expect every young film maker to create 'Duel' as their first film. Guy wants to get his name out there attached to a recognizable IP fine.

You say it's sad why he started, I find it sad the effort people are putting into killing interest in it.

You do have a point there.

Thing is, Michael Bay was established long before Transformers. He's not using Transformers' adult fandom to capitalize on trying to make it big, he's already there.

But see, now you're quoting facts over opinion. I think all three Transformers movies are fantastic and I can't wait for the fourth one. Even with all you mentioned above, it's good for a quick laugh that in the grand scheme of things, no one really talks about when others who haven't seen the films inquire about it.

For example, when people ask me how ROTF was, I don't tell them "oh, there's a ball joke in there" I tell them it was great and action packed and at parts can be comical. But if you're hanging on (forgive the pun) the testicle thing, as a downer for ROTF, you should probably look outside the box at the rest of the movie.

But here's the thing. There's not a real adult Power Ranger fanbase, not compared to other franchises for sure. Not only is his heart in the wrong place, but so is his mind.

Power Rangers was meant to be and has always been campy and cheesy. Turning Power Rangers into Nolan's Batman isn't really going to get him where he wants to go.

The guy has admitted that he doesn't know much about Power Rangers beyond MMPR. Granted, that's the focus of his film, but the mythos is in all of Power Rangers. Since MMPR was the jumping off point and by far the cheesiest and campiest series of them all, why try to change that?

I guess my question here is, with the stuff that you looked down on in Transformers, and that's what makes up Power Rangers (sans the ball jokes of course, but the campy, cheesy portions of it) then why do you care about this film so much? Because it's not cheesy and instead grimdark?

That is totally 100% different and I can't believe you used that as analogy. For starters, those movies are created, produced, etc., before you give a single cent to the movie. Michael Bay doesn't come to your message board and ask you to contribute anywhere from $1 to $2,500 with a promise of "you won't be disappointed, I know what I'm doing".

MMPR's budget is being provided BY YOU. YOU are paying for it before production even BEGINS. You have NO say in what happens but you're paying for the whole project. But they promise that you won't be disappointed. I mean, they have Ron Wasserman, and Robert Axelrod, and David Fielding. And Lord Zedd's staff. See? That's why this will be great. That is what they're selling you on - not the movie they want you to pay for, but by the people who have been gratious enough to probably do this FOR FREE for the fans in a misguided project that was sold to them as "we're doing this for the fans!" when it's actually "I'm hoping this will jumpstart my career and I'm using you to use the fans to skyrocket my popularity, which I've stated in an E-mail!"

You don't have to see Michael Bay's Transformers films. You choose to see them or not. And when/if you do, that's when you provide them with $$ which helps them prove that it was either a) worth it or b) not worth it.

This isn't Transformers or TFW2005.COM. You want to bitch about "Revenge of the Fallen" some more, go back to TFW2005.COM and bitch to your hearts content. But I'm not going to listen to someone justifying this fan-made MMPR film because they hated Michael Bay's Transformers. I mean, seriously, what??

There's no effort other than people shining light on the fans that are too blinded by "OMG RON WASSERMAN DAVID FIELDING ROBERT AXELROD MMPR THEY RELEASED A TRAILER WITH CONTINUITY INCLUDED IN IT OMG" to realize that they're simply being taken advantage of - their nostalgia and their pocketbook is all this "director" wants.

I wait to be proven otherwise.

Different fandom, different things. Transformers does not equal this in the slightest.

The people behind this MMPR project only appear to be involved because they want to make a name rather than be a part of something truly great. MMPR happened 20 years ago and was great for what it was at the time. But trying to recapture that essence, albeit in a more gritty/dark (?) way seems kind of pointless when you aren't even trying to recapture it. When you're only in it for some money and recognition you aren't ever going to recapture anything. No matter how many previously involved PR people you bring in.

Matt Austin on the other hand wants to create a tribute to his season and give fans a reunion of the actors. They want to get together to give fans a legitimate, albeit also unofficial, film. They aren't trying to cash in by using the old school love a lot of people have for MMPR as their meal ticket. They aren't preying on that fan base for money, they just love their fans and want to get back together to give something back.

Bay didn't ask fans to donate hundreds of dollars so he could make a movie just to make a name for himself by riding on nostalgia.

The comparison breaks down when you realize this. Bay was chosen to direct TF, the money came from Hasbro and the like, and Bay already had a name for himself long before.

I don't want the MMPR project to fail. I really don't. I want OP to deliver a great and exciting movie. I just feel the director/producer's heart is in the wrong place. He's not doing this because he feels this is something that needs to be made or the world needs to see. He's just doing this because he wants to be famous.

ahh. I see, I've long since noticed that this site does seem to be less an open forum and more some buddies who started watching Gokaiger. That may sound openly harsh. but when a MOD tells you to "shut up and go away" then clearly any semblance of the 'Professionalism" your role is supposed to convey has gone out the window.

And I love how 1 apple + 1 Apple = 2 apples can't be applied to Oranges because "Oranges aren't Apples! I mean, seriously. what??"

*Gets popcorn*http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6OdeJ5lFV8...-gon-b-gud.gif

Apparently you didn't take away the root of the message that Kickback provided you. He didn't tell you to shut up and go away, he said if you want to complain about Transformers to go to TFW2005 to do that.

It's not "unprofessional" at all to say what he said. This isn't a Transformers forum, so why would you complain about Transformers here when it's all been done before.

And your fruit analogy goes out the window here, because the apple you're referring to was already a golden one when offered to do Transformers. The orange on the other hand is some no-name nobody who is begging for money to hopefully become a golden apple based on a nostalgia ride that isn't there.

And yet, you avoid all these true, factual comments and instead have this temper tantrum and start insulting the owner and others on this site. Perhaps in the future, take the high road and instead discuss the issue at hand, though I've noticed that when you're wrong in these scenarios, you either continue ask why you're wrong, or you get upset because you are wrong.

It's okay to be wrong. When facts are presented to you, especially with "apples and oranges" and you're explained how they don't compare by multiple people, take that perhaps, they're correct.

Instead of, you know, insulting the staff and the board members.

I'm not a mod - I'm the owner. Get it right.

You dislike the fact that your idea of logic and fact has been called in to question and proven totally 100% wrong. Get over it. I'm not going to sit here and listen to someone make off-the-wall claims and correlations that do not line up at all in order to justify their "I AM ANGSTY GRR" feelings.

You can like this thing, that's fine. You can not like this thing, that's fine. But your justification for disliking the fact I dislike it is Transformers Revenge of the Fallen. What the hell man? You're free to have your own opinion, it's a free God damn world. I will never tell someone they can't have their own opinion.

But when you challenge MY opinion with "You don't like this and you're no better than people who like Transformers Revenge of the Fallen" ... what? Are you suffering from dimensia? I'm serious - how the hell did you equate my dislike of this film and the intent of the creators with that of Michael Bay and Revenge of the Fallen? I literally see NO correlation, I do not understand where that came from, and I was hoping you'd give me an explanation other than "this site sux".

To each his own. You want to play kickball my friend then you need to kick the ball. Don't grab the ball because you didn't like the pitch and go home. That's weak.

Dare I say ... "weaksauce" (to harken back to the 90's)

For a web site that is dedicated to kids shows and the toys based off of them. People sure are bitter. Can't we all just get along?

I can't even remember what this thread was originally about o.o

Oh right, I remember now. Sometimes I wish they would do a more mature take on MMPR for the movies. Just, whoever might direct it, can it not be whoever directed DB: Evolution?

The first Ninja Turtles movie is a good movie to copy the tone from. It hit the perfect balance of silly , yet dark. Never once did it feel like it was making fun of itself. I don't want Nolan's Power Rangers. Just something that feels more like watching a Marvel movie.

Yes, but one of the good Marvel movies. Not Daredevil :lol

I think the biggest problem with aiming for the whole Nolan thing is if you take a step back from the whole trilogy Nolan's take of Batman didn't work.

Batman is a 'dark and serious' character for sure but dark and serious means something different in comics than they do in any other medium and even at his most darkest, there is an inherent silliness surrounding Batman which is actually the reason he works.

In a truly straight faced depiction of the world and the horrors that take place in it, a dude in a halloween costume with a magic tool belt would feel out of place but well...Nolan just stripped out all the silliness anyway creating a pretty bland, and fairly typical bunch of action thrillers that then had these random characters dotted around in goofy costumes that felt like they'd just stepped out of an entirely different film. If you watch Batman Begins, when Batman randomly appears in the last third or so of the film, it is pretty much literally like two completely different films stuck together.

You need an ounce of escapism or the thing doesn't work as a cohesive whole, Superheroes are not real (okay there are real superheroes but have you seen how stupid they look? exactly) so stop trying to ground them in reality. The inherent escapist silliness of the comic book medium, even at its most gritty, is the reason that the genre has lasted as long as it has and has been able to adapt to changing times. And yes I am aware I am oversimplifying this but no one wants an 80, 000 book published on this by me.

TL;DR I hate that Nolan has become the inspiration for so many writers and filmmakers when approaching the superhero genre...his approach doesn't. fucking. work.

Pah. The Daredevil director's cut is a great film.

Quoted for so much truth.

:eyebrow

Huh. I thought I was the only one who thought this.

Yeah. It's kind of cool. It has this entire cut out portion involving a drug dealer. The Daredevil director's cut isn't half bad. You should check it out if you get the chance.

Anyway, MMPR as a grim and gritty tale is something that wouldn't work at all. I'm curious to see how it'll be executed, but I don't feel dark and edgy is the right direction to take when the protagonists are a team of multicolored spandex wearing teens with attitude.

It looks like we aren't alone!

And yeah the Directors cut of Daredevil is pretty great.

Not to sound like I'm jumping in the bandwagon. But I am with you guys in the Nolan thing. And as for DD? Matt Murdoch driving a car .... That's all I'm gonna say

Feel free to jump in with the Nolan hatred! We've got blackjack and hookers.

And in terms of DD...no comment :lol

I honestly don't remember that part of the movie.
Guess I need to watch it again :lol

Anyway, I don't necessarily hate Nolan, I just feel his approach was the wrong one. He tries to paint these characters as real, then he has one guy driving around his tank with deployable motorcycle in a bat suit who speaks like he just had a scotch literally on the rocks.
And then we're supposed to take that completely seriously.
It's why I hope the eventual Justice League movie doesn't use Nolan's interpretation of Batman. It just wouldn't fit at all.

I'd like to roundhouse kick Nolan in the face for the Robin scene in Rises. I already hated the movie while I was watching. But that was the damn nail in the coffin.

I've yet to watch Rises.
Because, and I know I'm the minority, but I don't like Bane's mask.

That whole third film was a mess, it was like Nolan actually went away and read the comics and tried to bring his films closer to the real stories but then failed absolutely miserably at it and just ended up making another lacklustre action thriller that just had unnecessary and pointless Batman references randomly chucked around the place.