Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 150145)

Guys. Remember to keep the debate friendly, and don't become personal. We're all fans here and shouldn't be belittled because of something we post.

Just asking you all to think about your posts before pressing that button.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by SideswipePrime (Post 150212)

or else Sentai here will have to go all Nossan on you. :lol

Originally Posted by MnemonicSyntax (Post 150124)

I'm not spinning anything. What I'm saying is what the actors have said. Please try to keep up. I don't care if you think it can be done, but the actors who are living their lives are saying it's not. Take a minute to read what's being said instead of pointing fingers.

Also, you keep avoiding the questions I'm asking. Stuff like, you know, your age... and if you can just afford to stop what you're doing to go to New Zealand for a few days with nothing to show for it except OMG! FANZ0RS SATISFACTION!



But please, continue to put part of the blame on the actors instead, because you love and respect them so much.

Look around you kid. The people in the thread are saying the same thing I'm saying. The same things I've said. The same thing the actors have said. There is no compromise.

Regardless, it's not the actors job to clean up Saban's mess. It's not their responsibility to pay attention to social media and get ready to phone in to go back to the show that most aren't happy with in the first place.



Wow. Let's point some fingers some more here. You don't know what I care about. If I was truly apathetic, do you think I would even spend time having this senseless debate with you? At the end of the day, it's going to do what? Not a damn thing. I'll continue to see that this is one big mess that is without a doubt Saban's fault, and you'll continue to rattle on and on about compromise and how everyone should stop what they're doing because you want them to, to go film a 22 minute show because you want it. You'll continue to take it personally how just because people moved on from different careers and fields, that you should still think they need to put on cape and mask because "that's what superheroes do." Please. Grow up son.



That's right. You got something right for once in this discussion. It's not their job to fix Saban's goof ups.



But it's a not a scapegoat if the reason that all this happens falls on Saban.



Wow. I like seeing the fire. Based on your second sentence in that paragraph, it shows me you haven't read any of the comments at all really. Most aren't "airing their dirty laundry" and have provided the fandom with very civil and polite answers.

Also, let me just point out another fallacy in your argument.

If it's about the money, you want them to say no thanks.

Yet, you want them to compromise if it's about the money.

But, you don't want them airing their dirty laundry.

But if it's about the money, you want them to own that decision.

The reason the money is an issue is because of Saban.
The reason the actors don't want to go back due to poor conditions on the set is Saban.
The reason invites were sent out at the last minute is because of Saban.
The reason invites were sent out and taken back, was because of Saban.
The reason some didn't get invites at all, is because, once again, of Saban.

We've come full circle as to why it's Saban's fault. None of the things that's been said by the actors via social media is nothing new. We've known about the issues working with Power Rangers for years now. The actors feelings haven't changed, but because you think they should stop what they're doing, to go be on a kid's show, because it's "the superhero thing to do", suddenly the actors need to go to Saban and figure out how to make it all right, just... JUST for this instance.

If the majority of the actors have nothing good to say about Saban, even the great JDF himself, have nothing good to say about Saban, why would they try to "fix things?"

What do I know, I'm just a guy that hates Megaforce, and likes to add fuel to the fire. Or, no... could it be I'm 32 years old, and I have a job, bills, school and also a single parent and know what "life" really is instead.

Nah. Couldn't be.

EDIT: I'm finished here. Everyone in the thread is pretty much saying the same thing I am, which is the same thing the actors are saying. Don't pin the blame on the actors because "it's their duty" to stop what they're doing and live the life you want them to lead.

Originally Posted by Taro3 (Post 150269)

Society in general would be absolute shit if everyone had your attitude. If everybody just said "That's not my job" or "I don't give a shit if I'm not getting paid to do it" literally nothing would be possible. I'm not blaming the actors for anything, I just think they could be part of the solution. Yet everybody absolutely balks at the idea of the actors ever trying to engage with Saban for a compromise. And I'm the immature one for suggesting it? I don't care what the people around here think of Saban or anything else, but I've always got more respect for someone that tries to address a problem rather than just sitting around whining about it or blaming someone else.

Civil and polite answers do not include veiled barbs or outright gripes about a former employer. If someone makes you an offer you don't like, where I'm from you either say "no thank you" or you come back with an offer of your own. I don't know what planet it's acceptable to publicly declare "they did a shitty job of preparing their offer, so it's their fault that I turned it down." That just seems like pushing the blame for one's own decision on to someone else, rather than just owning it themselves. As I said, there's a number of good options, so it's saddening to see so many choose to pass the buck.


Simply repeating a mantra of "it's all Saban's fault" helps nobody. It does zero good. If somebody screws up at your job, do you simply say "it was there fault" and refuse to help solve the problem? I sure hope not. Whether it's your boss, a subordinate, or even somebody outside your company, in the real world you're expected to pitch in to fix it. I don't know what kind of world you live in where it's preferable to sit and pout instead. You keep calling me a kid, but one of these days I hope you'll learn that being a responsible adult means often being responsible for more than just yourself.

Okay, so Saban screwed up. We acknowledge that, and the ball is in the actors' court. And they don't have to lift a finger if they don't want to. But they know full well that the Power Rangers fandom is watching. And I'm not trying to guilt trip them into accepting a bad offer, but as a fan, I'm kinda disappointed to see some of them make that choice not to do anything. If even one person was watching me, I'd at least like to show some effort for them.

Originally Posted by MnemonicSyntax (Post 150281)

Wasn't going to respond until I got here. I take care of my son and my family, while juggling full time college and work. I know how to take care of people besides myself.

Since you have all the answers, please, go be the mediator and use the precious social media to tell everyone what they should with their lives and the best course of action since, you know, you have it figured out. You go be responsible for having the actors clean up Saban's mess. Go on, be responsible.

I hope you get your way.

EDIT: I want to add that you do realize that the sentence I bolded is widely the reason the actors aren't going. They're too busy taking care of other people, their families, their lives. The same damn thing I've said since the beginning. They're not worried about running off to play superhero one last time. You've negated yourself. Again. And come full circle. Again.

Originally Posted by Taro3 (Post 150269)

Society in general would be absolute shit if everyone had your attitude. If everybody just said "That's not my job" or "I don't give a shit if I'm not getting paid to do it" literally nothing would be possible. I'm not blaming the actors for anything, I just think they could be part of the solution. Yet everybody absolutely balks at the idea of the actors ever trying to engage with Saban for a compromise. And I'm the immature one for suggesting it? I don't care what the people around here think of Saban or anything else, but I've always got more respect for someone that tries to address a problem rather than just sitting around whining about it or blaming someone else.

Originally Posted by Taro3 (Post 150289)

Please calm down, I never said that you didn't. But your posts would suggest that nobody should ever be expected to be responsible for anything or anyone but him/herself.

Originally Posted by MnemonicSyntax (Post 150300)

No. They haven't. They've suggested that the actors have lives and take care of other people and are responsible for other people. Nothing more.



Insulting you? Calling you a kid isn't an insult when you act like one. As a father, I know the difference.

And fly into a rage? I was calm until your last post. That's when I "flew into a rage."

Also, you seem to be missing that no one else agrees with anything you're saying in the thread but you only respond to me. One guy told you that your outlook about the average Joe was wrong.



I didn't pull anything. I have been, Jesus, let me just bold it for you to see it. Because you're fucking missing it.

I have been saying the same thing the actors have been saying. Nothing more. I'm not pretending to know anything. I already gave you the reasons why they won't come back and they're by and large at least six different reasons. Money, expenses, running their own lives, taking care of their families, removed offers/not invited or refuse to go back at all.


Damn. I'm tired of this. You already cancelled everything you said by your last little comment about responsibility for others. End of.

Originally Posted by Taro3 (Post 150302)

So nobody agrees with me? Or *gasp* one guy told me I was wrong! Well that settles it! Not. The same thing happened to the first guy who said that the earth wasn't flat. The majority opinion isn't always the right one. And in a thread where Saban is the devil and compromise is a dirty word, I couldn't be happier to be the one guy not on the same page with everyone else.

Originally Posted by MnemonicSyntax (Post 150303)

So why are you still responding to me. Other people are saying the same thng. You're the one that feels alone in this "opinion" of yours.

Move on. You've lost. You've negated yourself, you've questioned yourself, you've been wrong on multiple levels, it's insane.

No one lives in the world you live in. No one.