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losondro

03-03-2014 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 317865)

What blue? Baron's costume is already just red and silver anyway. Duke's suit has blue on it, but the Lemon Energy Arms doesn't at all.

That's what I'm talking about. The blue on the duke costume will/might be replaced by red to distinguish between Baron and Duke.

MrHerofan

03-03-2014 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NGW (Post 317860)

Wait, were people saying this episode was filler? WHAT?!?!?!?

There was so much packed into this episode, a ton of backstory, plot progression, lore, foreshadowing, characterization, motivations, revelations, holy hell what an episode!

Also, totally gonna pull a Den-O here and say "called it!". I've been saying for a while now that I really don't think that Yggdrasil are the bad guys, that once we actually saw why they were doing what they were doing that maybe, just maybe, they are actually RIGHT. I mean sure, from the looks of things Sid, Yoko, and Ryouma may have their own agenda, and they're wanting to bring Kaito in with them, but..well, they're not exactly siding with Yggdrasil in doing so.

As for DJ Sagara, I honestly think he is probably tied much more closesly to Helheim than just spouting things like "we don't know who Helheim will choose" and the like (and we, of course, still don't know what that is actually about). Honestly I think there's a chance that he is a remnant of whatever civilization was taken before or is connected to Helheim in some way beyond just being a part of Yggdrasil.

Freaking fantastic episode. There was a bit of action here and there, but I liked how dialogue heavy it was. We really really needed an episode like this.

Ya DJ Sagara being more than just a crazy dude could be a possibility as well, and just be a survivor who knows what this Helheim thing is about.

Now as for the talk of Shin-Baron, honestly it will most likely be the same suit just with straw effects now with the Lemon Energy on.

Den-O

03-03-2014 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by losondro (Post 317867)

That's what I'm talking about. The blue on the duke costume will/might be replaced by red to distinguish between Baron and Duke.

Again, what are you talking about? It's Baron getting an upgrade. Duke isn't even a factor. The teaser image we've seen is of Baron's new form, which clearly is Lemon Energy Arms. They won't be repainting a Duke Costume. Baron will just get the Arms as an upgrade or his base suit will be slightly altered like Zangetsu, to accommodate an energy form.

http://imageshack.com/a/img841/5691/x7yq.jpg

MrHerofan

03-03-2014 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 317869)

Well the top of the eyes so look similar. Or the upper half at least.
Now I would love if the Visor had Straws going through it like a knight.

losondro

03-03-2014 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 317869)

Yeah, seems like the Baron suit being upgraded to look different just like Zangetsu/Shin-Zangetsu change is more logical

Switchblade

03-03-2014 01:23 AM

Well, that was just plain great. We got some real info on Helheim, some real info on Yggdrasil, and battle lines are getting drawn between the Energy Riders, Yggdrasil, and the wild cards. A lot of stuff got clearer and it looks like we're setting up for some big confrontations in the near future. There is some major, major shit flying right at the fan right now.

And guys?

We're still not halfway through the series!

I kinda love this show.

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Originally Posted by xSkullheartx (Post 317855)

I remain on the side of Kaitou. Something just isn't right. He wants power,but he doesn't seem like the type to throw an entire world away for it.I think he's either bluffing and will get a mixed form like Gaim by stealing a sideplate and taking either cherry or peach by killing them,or Gaim will beat him and snap him back to his senses.

My main reasoning for this is that he is the secondary rider for this series.There is Ryugen but how many times have we seen him in suit fighting along side Kouta recently compared to Baron? Yeah I understand he saw the civilization first,but he also was very underhanded for most of the series.

Is he really the secondary hero, though? Isn't it possible that this show doesn't have a main Rider/secondary Rider dichotomy and Baron is just positioning himself as Gaim's ultimate enemy?

Sentai Tamashii

03-03-2014 01:39 AM

Gentlemen, please return your seats in the upright position... This freaking show!!

Hatetriot

03-03-2014 02:49 AM

It is interesting that despite Takatora and Sengoku treating Helheim as being simply an invasive species they also talk about Helheim "choosing" someone.

And on subject of Helheim choosing someone was the Overlord Inves the chosen one from his world?

ZeoRangerV

03-03-2014 04:11 AM

Holy crap how can this show just keep getting better and better every week?!

So many revelations, so many characters showing their true colours. Its almost too much to put into words.

superblade

03-03-2014 04:17 AM

Those that suggested that this ep was a filer before even watching it with subs should hang their heads in shame, this ep was an absolute monster of an ep.

Jam packed with info and plenty of story progression, just watching Zangestu and Gaim team up was good enough but the ep was even more juicier.

This series just gets better and better, keeps you on your toes and guessing all the time.

Locke

03-03-2014 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 317880)

Is he really the secondary hero, though? Isn't it possible that this show doesn't have a main Rider/secondary Rider dichotomy and Baron is just positioning himself as Gaim's ultimate enemy?

My thoughts exactly, as this show has bucked the trend in every other regard, why adhere to this tired cliché then?

Suzu	03-03-2014 06:25 AM

So seriously, how is Urobuchi gonna keep this up? And I'm not just talking about the pacing but rather about him being allowed to do all this creepy shit. Admitted, this episode felt slidely disturbing. It feels like the whole thing is going more and more to hell now. It's still good, but for a show that's part of children's TV program at 8 a.m., this is just crazy.

By now, I'm pretty sure that 90 % of the cast are just totally nuts in one way or another.
And poor Kouta ;_;

Electric Turahk

03-03-2014 09:40 AM

Well now that I know what was all said...

Yep, Kaito's one messed up son of a bitch. :|

I wonder how much longer Kouta's going to be in the dark about Yuuya. I expected it to be brought back up after they were interrupted this episode but that never happened. I also wonder even more how Micchy will take his knowing the truth...

xSkullheartx

03-03-2014 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 317880)

Is he really the secondary hero, though? Isn't it possible that this show doesn't have a main Rider/secondary Rider dichotomy and Baron is just positioning himself as Gaim's ultimate enemy?

Honestly,I do believe he is the secondary hero.He's had a ton of focus as of late,and this is the first we've seen him snap.The reason why I'm holding out on him still being good is because this was a speech.....that's it.He did nothing wrong,he's done no evil actions,so as far as I'm concerned yeah,Baron to me is still the secondary hero.

If I'm wrong,then I'm wrong,but aside from that I just had a lightbulb turn on.

The DJ is evil.The reason I say this is because now we know that Yggdrasil is trying to stop the end of the world,right? Who has been supplying Gaim with the lock seeds and upgrades to stop Yggdrasil,who have been trying to stop the spread of Helheim? I know you would say that he's just trying to help Gaim,but he was with Yggdrasil from the start,so he knows they're trying to stop it,and with Ryouma's reaction to Kaitou's speech about letting it happen,I can see why Ryouma isn't worried about the DJ.

ComicGuy89

03-03-2014 10:36 AM

Damn, this episode is really something. This show keeps upping itself that I simply have no words to say.

It was such a chatty episode, but it fleshed out so much of the story that I'm terribly impressed. I was hooked throughout!

And wow, anyone feel that aside from Kouta all the characters have sliding motivations up and down the morality scale? Yet, when you think about it, they are all remarkably consistent in characterization. It's just how the show frames it, one moment Micchy and Takatora seem like villains while Kaito's a hero, and the next it's a complete face turn. Yet they've always remained true to themselves.

XW1n5t0nX

03-03-2014 11:13 AM

Kaito you are one sick man.

Well that was one hell of an episode. This show gets more interesting with every episode.

ElConvoy

03-03-2014 12:35 PM

Time to get out the "Kaito broke my heart" shirt :lol

Damn this Episode was intense. The worldbuilding in this show is just phenomenal and I cant wait to know more about the Helheim.

uchihabro77

03-03-2014 02:49 PM

Seeing this subed made me go 'WTF' even more! Kaito seems like he is crazy as hell, and the rest of Yggdrasil seems to fit, Takatora I think will get booted from the group and he, Micchy, Kouta, and Knuckle will go against the others... Though I wouldnt say that about Micchy, who knows what the hell he has up his scarf :lol

SPLIT LIP

03-03-2014 02:58 PM

That banana in his helmet goes clear through to the brain. He's crazay.

But he's that "everyone knows he's crazzay" crazy that makes me wonder what's next.

Kiryu

03-03-2014 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 318060)

That banana in his helmet goes clear through to the brain. He's crazay.

But he's that "everyone knows he's crazzay" crazy that makes me wonder what's next.

You just had to let that one slip didn't you? :p

NGW	03-03-2014 03:09 PM

I guess Kaito really is...bananas!

mook	03-03-2014 03:45 PM

This was an amazing episode , no doubt. The way the plot is progressing makes it feel like we're reaching the end , but it's obvious that the real story is just starting.

I still hold a little faith in Kaito , maybe he's playing the other characters in order to get more power. His hate for Yggdrasil might not be satisfied even with the revelation that they're not that bad after all.

I really feel bad for Takatora , the people he's counting on hold no loyalty for him and might even backstab him in the end.I hope him and Kouta team up from now on. But first , Kouta has to decide to keep fighting.

Paladin

03-03-2014 03:57 PM

So, the creatures of Helheim are classified as "invasive species." Suddenly the name "InVess" makes so much more sense...

Den-O

03-03-2014 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Paladin (Post 318102)

So, the creatures of Helheim are classified as "invasive species." Suddenly the name "InVess" makes so much more sense...

I thought the EXACT same thing!

SPLIT LIP

03-03-2014 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Paladin (Post 318102)

So, the creatures of Helheim are classified as "invasive species." Suddenly the name "InVess" makes so much more sense...

Yeah, I got that immediately.

This show is SMART. It's wrapped in bacon, and that's smart.

Shinken Red

03-03-2014 04:43 PM

DAMN! This is getting Really good. And Baron as part of the "team" now is going to be interseting. I curious what happens to zangesu now.

TheXrosLoaderGen

03-03-2014 05:52 PM

Wow...this episode was absolutely amazing. A lot of development in the plot. This series is just going full dark, ain't it. Well, what do you expect from the great Gen Urobuchi. Still Bravo and that follower, Jounouchi, I believe. I also like the Inves thing, that was pretty smart. :D

Battlizer

03-03-2014 06:54 PM

I feel like this episode casts Kaito sicking those invess on the citizens booing him and his team in a whole new light. I just assumed he was trying to scare them off before, but shit...maybe he was gonna have them attack those civilians.

Sunred

03-03-2014 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 318125)

Yeah, I got that immediately.

This show is SMART. It's wrapped in bacon, and that's smart.

…Are you Sauce Boss by any chance? j/k:D

Sentai

03-03-2014 08:14 PM

The revealed the big secret and I'm still wondering if it ends up being Earth, Zawame City, somehow. Loved everything about this episode though. But I think the only person that doesn't know he killed his best friend is Kouta. Also hoping that Baron gets his own Energy Lock soon. Epic.

SPLIT LIP

03-03-2014 08:51 PM

If Baron does get Lemon Energy arms, it will explain the "FIGHT" chant of the lock seed.

Sentai

03-03-2014 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 318289)

If Baron does get Lemon Energy arms, it will explain the "FIGHT" chant of the lock seed.

He does already look epic in yellow.

xSkullheartx

03-03-2014 09:26 PM

If he does turn out to actually be crazy/evil,I'm still backing Kaitou. Good or bad,he has always been my favorite and always will be.

Locke

03-03-2014 09:29 PM

I also agree this world probably isn't worth saving.

BUT OH SHIT BETTER NOT SAY THAT HERE.

xSkullheartx

03-03-2014 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 318306)

I also agree this world probably isn't worth saving.

BUT OH SHIT BETTER NOT SAY THAT HERE.

I don't mind your opinion.If you don't like it,then you don't like it.It is an open discussion.

SPLIT LIP

03-03-2014 11:00 PM

Hey guys.

Let's blow up the planet.

Yeeeaaahhhh!

GoseiWonder

03-03-2014 11:03 PM

So why does this sound more like a penultimate episode than a nearly half-way marker?

Suzu	03-04-2014 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GoseiWonder (Post 318429)

So why does this sound more like a penultimate episode than a nearly half-way marker?

If that was a penultimate episode, this show would end on a horrible cliffhanger because they couldn't solve everything in the next one xD

KyoryuBlue

03-04-2014 06:21 AM

I'm not going to lie. The amount of epic in this episode? Best. Rider. Series. Ever. This entirelly makes up for wizard. ^^;

Sentai

03-04-2014 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KyoryuBlue (Post 318566)

I'm not going to lie. The amount of epic in this episode? Best. Rider. Series. Ever. This entirelly makes up for wizard. ^^;

And there was so much to make up for :lol

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