You can't have gay characters in a kids franchise.

And just why not? And don't you dare say its a "morality thing".

You can have a gay character in a kid's show.
They just don't because they don't want the controversy and war on their hands for doing so.
PR wants to make money and sell toys, so there's no point in taking some kind of moral high ground when it costs them their main goal.

I understand that Matrix. They play it safe for the sake of money and continuity. But Mugen said,
And that just makes me...... he said it the wrong way. Or at the very least used the wrong word.

That's simply because he's confused with what people shy away from due to it being a touchy subject matter and what's actually not allowed on TV.
It's rather common. Homosexuality strikes people as a more adult matter, so they'd assume that it wouldn't be allowed on a kid's show, when it's more just the creators of said kid's show just don't want to take a step into that whole box of worms.

Well we did have Korrasami, Oren possibly, and probably countless others. It's only a big deal because certain people have issues with IRL gays. It will take generations to change the issue. Going to a message board about Power Rangers won't change the issue. So continuing this disscussion is pointless, because it will literally just be going in an infinite loop. So again please, just move on.

Asshole, the entire point of the topic is about having a gay ranger.

Any discussion over any topic can be declared pointless with the defeatist attitude of "The issue will change itself on it's own, and everything we do is irrelevant, so just stop talking about it altogether."
It's the same attitude of choosing not to vote because "It's one vote out of 15 million. My vote doesn't matter."
By ignoring the topic under the assumption that 3 people talking about it is too small to matter, you fail to see the larger picture. When you say that our thoughts are irrelevant, and another says the thoughts of another 10 people on a different board are irrelevant, and so on and so forth, you create the issue of said topic not being brought into light properly. Snuffing out opinions just because you can't see the world in a smaller scale and just blindly believing the world will fix itself on it's own hinders the faster progression we're aiming for.

^What Matrix said. :lol

But truly, three people going on a Power Rangers board will change nothing. It won't make people realize anything, nor will it change how kids shows are made. Patience is something this world truly lacks, and it's vital. The issue will change, just given time for this new idea to become more accepting.

And again, you fail to miss the purpose of this thread. The purpose of this thread was completely speculation. Nothing in this thread is trying to make a change in the world, just putting our thoughts and opinions out there. It doesn't matter the number of participants of the conversation, we have this conversation because we want to, not to try to make a change. If we wanted to do that don't you think we would do it somewhere other than a message board like this? I most certainly would.

You know what a discussion board is for right? The clue is kinda in the name.

*rings bell* We have a winner! Thank you ZRV!

And yet Steven Universe continued past March, is popular and successful, and will go on to complete two more seasons at the least.


People don't seem to catch on to the fact that this isn't something that is "going to change." It already is changing. Steven Universe has gay main characters. Clarence has had gay characters and one of the main characters' parents are gay. There was the thing with Korrasami and Adventure Time seems to be itching closer to revealing how gay it's been all along. And these series aren't dying or getting a lot of controversy for it, either (with exceptions, Korra did bring that out just at the very end).

Granted, this is mostly CN I'm talking about, Disney and Nick seem less willing to do things like that. But it's no longer some distant far-off idea that one day we may see gay characters in shows aimed at kids. It's already a thing.

Will it happen in Power Rangers? Who knows, but it's definitely not something they "can't" do.

While you aren't at all wrong, there's probably a leap between doing it in a cartoon and doing it in a live-action franchise which is why it's taking its sweet time to happen. Steven Universe has gay characters yes, but it also kinda skirts around it by having said gay characters be agender space rocks.

Yeah, that's definitely true. Live action is a different beast than cartoons, but at the same time, also not completely unheard of. There was that one gay couple in one episode of Good Luck Charlie...which...was like, the second to last episode, but still. It's a thing.

The thing about the gems being technically agender always struck me as a peculiar technicality to bring up though. The casual viewer isn't going to know that gems are sexless, and the show itself doesn't actually bring it up, so for the purpose of looking at it as representation the fact that they are is not super meaningful. Like, would someone who is homophobic really care less just because they're aliens? I guess that's all kind of off topic though.

The only western live action "childrens show" I know of that has an openly gay character in it is Doctor Who. They never shyied away from showing that Captain Jack is really into men.

Is Doctor Who actually aimed at kids though? It always struck me as just being like...a regular, pseudo-family show. I mean, it had a spin-off that was explicitly aimed at a younger audience, that Sarah Jane Adventures show. It also had a more adult spin-off in Torchwood, so I always thought it was just like...middle of the road.

I honetly dont really know which is why I used quotation marks. Just the way I always heard people talk about it gave me the impression that its aimed at kids for the most part.

If I recall, Doctor Who was kind of like Star Trek in that they were kids shows in their initial era, but as time went on and their fans aged, but continued watching, they shifted from "Kid's show" to family show.

It's always been a family show.

Doctor Who's always been for pretty much everyone...
And speaking of the Sarah-Jane Adventures, there were plans to have Luke (on of the main characters) revealed to be gay in it. Add that to a whole episode talking about Gay couples (and whether or not they can adopt) in an episode of The Dumping Ground, another kid's show on CBBC, it definitely can happen

Aha! I knew there was something worth bringing up about the Sarah Jane Adventures, I just couldn't remember what it was. Shame that never came to light really, but understandable given the circumstances.

Didn't know about the Dumping Ground thing though. Obviously the BBC is really trying to push things in the direction, which is good.

Hurray for europe :lol

I can't speak on the behalf of Doctor Who, but Star Trek was never a "kid's show".

Except it was. It was a 60's episodic sci-fi adventure series, with the goal of aiming to be like the cowboy/western shows with a broader sense of adventure. It was very much a kid's show, but it attracted a larger audience due to it's more 'high tech' setting and 'smarter' characters.

To be honest, i think we could have already have had a gay ranger, but since when has someone's sexuality been someone's defining characteristic? I know this is power rangers where the main ingredient for acting is ham, but if they were to do it, they shouldn't draw attention to it and just include it and treat him/her as any other character.

Agreed. This should be the way to do it.

Except it wasn't. It was meant to be like other shows that Roddenberry had worked on previously, a drama show.

The TOS animated series was designed to draw kids in.

Except it wasn't not. See, I can do that bullshit, too.
It doesn't really feel that way, but whatever. I really don't give a shit about garbage from the 60's. If believing it wasn't for kids helps you sleep at night, then go for it.

what kid wouldnt want the various adventures of Captain Kirk trying to get into the pants of every woman and constantly going through his easily rippable shirts?

like, I feel Star Trek is less of a kid's show and more of a show for all audiences. the target audience was anyone who wanted to watch science-fiction, not just kids.

this isn't the same case as other television shows such as Friendship is Magic or the anime Polar Bear Cafe.

What kid also wouldn't want the various adventures of being stuck in another world as everything tries to kill you with little in the ways of help beyond your sibling and father? And the adventures basically boil down to "Let's try to survive another week." And then having your father fall through a portal of time to die?
And yet Land of the Lost is, quite clearly, a kid's show.

I always saw Star Trek as juvenile and simplistic, which would be perfect for a kid's show.
Apparently it's a family show and sci fi story telling standards was just embarrassingly low back then. Whatever.

I mean the show did get cancelled

You did "that bullshit" first.

I'm sorry you think that having a discussion is actually more of an argument where you have to feel like you need to win.

You don't. It's okay to be incorrect from time to time.

No. I didn't take a statement and change it's inflection.

I feel Star Trek is a kids show, and it's always seemed that way. I never really got a family show vibe from it until the Next Generation started.

Every discussion is an argument when the only reasoning is "Is not" (By others) and "Is too" (By me).
It was the 60's, not a 70's era cartoon where the only conflict was basically someone wearing a bedsheet and acting like a ghost. So in retrospect, yes, it was more mature considering how dumbed down children's content became during the oncoming decade's gigantic sweep of censorship and parental influence. But I, personally, never saw Star Trek as anything more than a kid's show that attracted an older audience.

And it's never okay to be incorrect.

This is the most 'Merican thing I have ever read.

I think I need to say the Pledge of Allegiance now.

Since when was it acceptable and alright to be false?
What planet am I on where society doesn't look down or scorn you for being wrong? Because I'm pretty fucking certain it's more than America that makes you feel like a complete piece of shit and waste of life for being incorrect.

Uhhh...that's a wee bit extreme, actually. People make mistakes; it's a pretty common part of being human. If you are being made to feel like a piece of shit for making a mistake, then you are in a pretty fucked situation.

But, also, I teach elementary kids and correct mistakes all the time. But by your logic, I need to start tearing into some 5-10 year-olds tomorrow (which would be fucking hilarious)

People make mistakes all the time, that's fact. I make mistakes, too.
But when did it become acceptable? Mistakes I've made have been held over my head for years against me. Did I miss some change in the world's mentality when it comes to handling one being wrong?

You can be incorrect, so long as you recognize when you are so that you can learn from whatever mistake/wrong you made, and work from it.

Unless you're on a game show, then your not getting any money and you are definitely in the wrong for being incorrect.

On a message board discussing a side-topic of a show where a man brought together an ensemble cast of different cultures, races, etc. to show the world race didn't matter, gave us our first interracial kiss, had the Captain parading around green women's pants, the logical Vulcan raging because he wasn't getting any, an Engineer who drank often and yeoman who wore skimpy dresses while bringing said Captain his coffee, and discussing that in the realm of fiction... yes, it's plenty fine to be wrong. It's not that big of a deal.

You're free to have your opinion, and your point is reasonable. Even parts of it valid. But when Roddenberry created Trek, he wanted to create his dramatic-while-the-kids-were-in-school cop shows with a bit of Western "exploration" and put it in space. This was mentioned in an interview a long while back during the beginning of Next Gen.

I'm not going to hold it against you for being incorrect, and I say this in the most friendliest, kindest tone I can translate across text but... lighten up. We're here just talking. It's not a contest. At the end of the day, even if you were correct... I wouldn't feel bad about it and instead would walk away learning something new, ya know.