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barnstenchfartface

10-26-2015 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 569837)

Okay, this was definitely an episode where the show's fast pacing got problematic. Two new Eyecons, debut of the secondary Rider, and a standard MotW plot were way too much to cram into 24 minutes. It wasn't a bad episode, but everything in the last 5-6 minutes felt incredibly rushed. The biggest problem is I can't tell how many dudes with blonde highlights there are - was one of them Spectre and the other one mysterious villain guy, or was that MVG who drew the eye symbol and made all the little Eyecons. It went by so fast and I've seen so little of the bad guy that I honestly can't tell whether it was the same guy or different ones.

Makoto (Specter) didn't appear out of suit in this episode at all (and his hair is black). Aran is the younger villanous guy, and he was the one who drew the eye and released all those Ganma Eyecons.

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Originally Posted by XW1n5t0nX (Post 569820)

Not a fan of Newton form to be honest. I think it looks a little silly/dumb.

Fight me.

Switchblade

10-26-2015 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by barnstenchfartface (Post 569843)

Makoto (Specter) didn't appear out of suit in this episode at all (and his hair is black). Aran is the younger villanous guy, and he was the one who drew the eye and released all those Ganma Eyecons.

Thanks. Like I said, it happened so fast and I haven't gotten enough of a look at that guy to tell if it was one character or two. I assume Spectre is the dude in the blue leather in the trailer for episode 5, then?

XW1n5t0nX

10-26-2015 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 569846)

Yup.

barnstenchfartface

10-26-2015 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 569846)

Yup, guy in the black-and-blue leather suit is Specter.

GoseiWonder

10-26-2015 06:56 PM

You know what's really funny? Takeru acting stealthy even though he can become completely invisible with his Ghost powers and completely evade detection with them.

GreenPsychoRanger

10-26-2015 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GoseiWonder (Post 569884)

You know what's really funny? Takeru acting stealthy even though he can become completely invisible with his Ghost powers and completely evade detection with them.

And he looks like he's apologizing when he walks past someone.

barnstenchfartface

10-26-2015 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GoseiWonder (Post 569884)

You know what's really funny? Takeru acting stealthy even though he can become completely invisible with his Ghost powers and completely evade detection with them.

Yeah, I love that. Bowing and everything. He was also doing it last episode. Him just sort of still not getting the whole "being a ghost" thing is one of the better sources of humor in this show.

GreenPsychoRanger

10-26-2015 07:13 PM

Four episodes in and Onari kind of makes me think of an over energetic Oren. He's bald, he yells his exclamations a lot, and claims to be a professional (where as Oren is a professional). Only Oren is gay and Onari is just slightly annoying. I love Yurusen and Gramps.

Matrixbeast

10-26-2015 07:41 PM

...Oren wasn't gay...

Episode was decent. Apparently I fucking blinked and missed him getting Newton, which was bullshit.
Spectre shouldn't have appeared this early. Felt crammed in. Villain was too ominous, and I just don't even know what the fuck.

Seeing Takeru realize his powers was cute. Like him bowing while sneaking, or forgetting he can become intangible.

GreenPsychoRanger

10-26-2015 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 569903)

...Oren wasn't gay...

Episode was decent. Apparently I fucking blinked and missed him getting Newton, which was bullshit.
Spectre shouldn't have appeared this early. Felt crammed in. Villain was too ominous, and I just don't even know what the fuck.

Seeing Takeru realize his powers was cute. Like him bowing while sneaking, or forgetting he can become intangible.

Are you sure? The man was very flamboyant. And he fawned over Takatora. It was very obvious.

Matrixbeast

10-26-2015 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenPsychoRanger (Post 569904)

Are you sure? The man was very flamboyant. And he fawned over Takatora. It was very obvious.

I'm positive. That's akin to pointing out Kiva was gay, since he was effeminate who let other men dominate and control him.

GreenPsychoRanger

10-26-2015 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 569905)

I'm positive. That's akin to pointing out Kiva was gay, since he was effeminate who let other men dominate and control him.

I hope your joking. Oren is the most obvious gay character I've seen since Ron from Gurren Lagann.

barnstenchfartface

10-26-2015 07:51 PM

Oren being effeminate and flamboyant doesn't necessarily make him gay. Him being all over Takatora, however, sorta does.

Matrixbeast

10-26-2015 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenPsychoRanger (Post 569906)

I hope your joking. Oren is the most obvious gay character I've seen since Ron from Gurren Lagann.

I'm being serious.

ScrapMetalRaider96

10-26-2015 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenPsychoRanger (Post 569904)

Are you sure? The man was very flamboyant. And he fawned over Takatora. It was very obvious.

The character is pretty gay, the actor? Dude's wife was in the episode where Redue died.

GreenPsychoRanger

10-26-2015 08:02 PM

I knew Metal (Oren's real name) was straight. I have my seen his wife, but I hear she's a looker.

XW1n5t0nX

10-26-2015 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenPsychoRanger (Post 569904)

Are you sure? The man was very flamboyant. And he fawned over Takatora. It was very obvious.

He admired Takatora due to his fighting ability and dominance on the battlefield. As for his flamboyancy, that doesn't make him gay. He could have just been given an androgyny look because, why not.

You went full MPR. Never go full MPR.

GreenPsychoRanger

10-26-2015 08:20 PM

MPR?

barnstenchfartface

10-26-2015 08:26 PM

Aw, yup, the "they're not gay, they just admire them!" angle. Yup.

And Korrasami were just good friends.

You guys do know, absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence, though, right? Unless a character volunteers any information about their orientation in some way (which Oren did, because seriously, Takatora) there literally isn't any way to say any character (or person, for that matter) is gay or straight or anything else.

Oh, and Mitchy wasn't straight...

ScrapMetalRaider96

10-26-2015 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by barnstenchfartface (Post 569917)

I'm also in the camp that the character's pretty fuckin' gay

GreenPsychoRanger

10-26-2015 08:40 PM

All I want to say is if you look at all of fx used around Oren while in civilian form, and occasionally in Rider form, you'll see a lot of hearts and flowers. You'll also see that his motions/actions also relay the fact that he is gay. I mean how many straight male characters do you see doing this
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XW1n5t0nX

10-26-2015 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenPsychoRanger (Post 569921)

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MaskedRiderAsakura

10-26-2015 09:05 PM

Something about Gramps' wording makes me feel like we'll get quite a few Riders, and not just 3. Could be just me.

I'm probably one of the few that doesn't mind the fast pacing. At least there's no cop-out excuses for why the MotW got away in order to force a 2-parter.

I definitely think Spectre is going to kickstart the plot though. And he's definitely giving off Ren vibes for me.

GoseiWonder

10-26-2015 09:15 PM

Is Gramps a Psychopomp? I have a feeling he's some kind of Psychopomp.

barnstenchfartface

10-26-2015 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MaskedRiderAsakura (Post 569926)

Something about Gramps' wording makes me feel like we'll get quite a few Riders, and not just 3. Could be just me.

I really doubt it, if just because there aren't any other Rider sounds programmed into the Driver. No toy presence means no show presence, for the most part. I mean, we may get some sort of confirmation that there's a lot of Ghost Riders out there fighting Ganma and collecting Eyecons for their own reasons...but I very much doubt we'll actually get to see any of them.

I mean, I do also doubt we're getting just three, but I expect that any new ones would come pretty late in the series, like Gold Drive. At most I'd say a fourth one could come in in the third quarter, but it's hard to say.

Helios

10-26-2015 09:55 PM

Another great episode of Ghost. Sennin sure has a lot of secrets. I love the part where Takeru forge couldn't be killed and just let the city fall on him. I suppose Drive episode 48 takes place between episode 3 and 4. It sucks that Ghost didn't get Nobunaga, it would've been cool to see him in Nobunaga Damashii. I can't believe Nobunaga rejected him like that. I hope in the future, Ghost, Specter, and Necrom can trade Eyecons and use different Damashii. I'd think it'd be pretty easy since the forms are just jackets.

GoseiWonder

10-26-2015 09:58 PM

I wonder what Ghost would look like with two horns...

IXRollOutIX

10-26-2015 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MaskedRiderAsakura (Post 569926)

At least there's no cop-out excuses for why the MotW got away in order to force a 2-parter.

What I find funny about this statement is that in literally every episode so far, the Ganma has escaped Takeru for a short little while before coming back and getting destoryed at the end. :p

barnstenchfartface

10-26-2015 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by IXRollOutIX (Post 569951)

What I find funny about this statement is that in literally every episode so far, the Ganma has escaped Takeru for a short little while before coming back and getting destoryed at the end. :p

I do like how the Book Ganma did it, though.

Actually, I liked the Book Ganma in general. He was fun.

Battlizer MK II

10-26-2015 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MaskedRiderAsakura (Post 569926)

I thought about this too, especially since he appeared so early. The only thing against this is the fact that all 3 Riders that we know of so far have the 15 Eyecons spread amongst them. Though that doesn't really rule out more, I guess.

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I definitely think Spectre is going to kickstart the plot though. And he's definitely giving off Ren vibes for me.

While I find it sorta hard to Sort through archetypes for most second Riders in recent Heisei series so have the stoic loner, but becomes friends with the heroes later personality...but I dunno, something about Spectre rings similar to Ren. Maybe it's the blue lol.

Neptune

10-26-2015 11:32 PM

This episode was a bit all over the place, plot-wise, but could've been worse. If I hadn't known beforehand about the Drive crossover thanks to this thread, the bit with Newton would've felt even more out-of-nowhere than it did. Takeru figuring out his ghost powers is cute and enjoyable and the fight scenes were enjoyable.

Spectre does look cool, though I'm surprised that the show would introduce another Rider this early. the shade of blue really goes well with all the black.

Matrixbeast

10-27-2015 12:42 AM

I have to watch the Drive crossover to figure out when he gets Newton? What?
Seriously, where did it come from?

GreenPsychoRanger

10-27-2015 12:57 AM

The Newton eyecon was already in existence. There has been NO story for it yet.

Matrixbeast

10-27-2015 01:03 AM

Did I miss something? When was it introduced? Did I blink and not catch a scene or something? When did that flashback to him happen? Or has it just...Been around and I'm just a forgetful asshole?
GODDAMMIT.

GoseiWonder

10-27-2015 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 569998)

I have to watch the Drive crossover to figure out when he gets Newton? What?
Seriously, where did it come from?

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 570006)

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I want a Yurusen plushie. I love that cheeky lil' bastard. :lol

barnstenchfartface

10-27-2015 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 570006)

You didn't miss anything, because there isn't any thing to miss. In the Drive episode the Newton Eyecon was just...there. The plotline in Drive with Newton took place over a month, we never got a good explanation of where it came from. Now Takeru's only been Ghost for 11 days and apparently that all took place off-screen.

Let's not even talk about the fact that he already used Newton in Surprise Future.

It's bullshit, is all it is.

Matrixbeast

10-27-2015 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GoseiWonder (Post 570008)

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I want a Yurusen plushie. I love that cheeky lil' bastard. :lol

GODDAMIT YURUSEN I'LL EAT YOU.
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Originally Posted by barnstenchfartface (Post 570009)

That's so fucking stupid. I don't even know how to express my thoughts.

IXRollOutIX

10-27-2015 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 569998)

I have to watch the Drive crossover to figure out when he gets Newton? What?
Seriously, where did it come from?

I'll give you a synopsis. Like Barn said, even if you do watch the crossover, it's still a little vague about the Eyecon anyway. Basically the leader of Neo-Shade found the Newton Eye somehow; somewhere. That part's never explained. As for how Ghost ends up with it...

Apparently about a week or so before the finale of Drive takes place, the Kamen Riders infiltrated a Neo-Shade base. A Ganma after the Eyecon intervenes during their attack, but Ghost fights it off and Drive ends up taking the Eye into custody. More recently, it was stolen from the research lab. The SCU tracks down the perp before the Ganma attacks again; Ghost shows up again too and this time finally destroys it. The thief escapes in the commotion but Shinnosuke retrieves the Eyecon; holding it allows him to see Ghosts apparently. The thief kidnaps Kiriko and holds her for ransom in exchange for Newton, so Takeru lets Shin keep the Eye until the case is resolved. The thief is revealed to be the leader of Neo-Shade and wants to use the Eyecon to lure Ganma into working for him so that he can revive his organization now that the Roidmudes are gone... or something like that. Shinnosuke saves Kiriko, catches the bad guy, and finally Ghost and Yurusen take Newton with them.

IXRollOutIX

10-27-2015 11:10 AM

Alright, so I watched that episode again and Shin does in fact say "a month ago" when referring to attacking the Neo-Shade base... Which sort of screws up the timeline with Ghost. Takeru attacked the Ganma then, and comes back to get the Eyecon a month later. But within Ghost, Takeru has only been a Kamen Rider for 10 days by the time he has Newton under his belt. Maybe Shinnosuke just meant "last month" instead? That's the only way I can make it work. Even then, that technically means that Ghost pretty much HAD to have gotten Newton BEFORE Edison, but Yurusen just held on to it and Takeru forgot about it.

EDIT: Actually, no. Even then, "last month" doesn't work because Takeru actually became Ghost on the 4th of October, in series. Which means Drive 48 had to have taken place from flashback to present entirely in October without a month gap of any kind in between. GOD DAMMIT, CONTINUITY.

AgileSiamang7

10-27-2015 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 569756)

Observations:
I think i get how the production of heroic eyecons goes. A subject that has a sincere connection (appreciation, it seems) to a particular spirit gets nudged by the Ganma's mindfuck power into channeling that hero's characteristics, which strengthens the bond to the spirit. This can reach a boiling point, when an eyecon can either be produced on its own through magic, or helped along by KR Ghost's power.

As for the pacing comments . . . it went by a little fast, but any longer and it would have dragged. They hit the points they needed to hit and moved on, allowing us to get to the fight and further down the overall story of the series.

I enjoyed the Urusan scoffing at Takeru as he was almost trapped by the falling city block; he forgot he can phase through matter.

Speaking of which, Takero still tiptoeing around Metal Gear style even though he's invisible and can phase through matter is always amusing; he still bows to people as he sneaks through.

Specter is gonna have some badass music.

Question:
The Robin form finisher multiple shots were fired - did he clone himself? If so, where'd that power come from? Were they just trying to illustrate his focusing his aim, or did he really copy himself, because that power can easily be broken and OP.

Why the fuck is Old Man fucking with Takeru?

Might be a reference to his Merry Men?

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