I wouldn't count on it. This is Kamen Rider after all.

I'm genuinely excited for Ex-Aid since I got to the middle of Kamen Rider Gaim. I started thinking, "Man you know what would be cool? A video game themed rider."

So much so that I worked on my own video game rider, and from what I've read of Ex-Aid it sounds like it borrows a bit from my ideas. So it's nice to see that I'm on the same page. The Doctor thing I didn't predict though.

To be honest, This episode didn't get me emotional.

Drive's Final Episode was more emotional than this because that music! Orchestrated Version of Surprise Drive!

Anyway I hope Ex-Aid will be much better than Ghost. I was very disappointed with this one. Too many confusing storyline and villains aren't that memorable!

I heard Yuya Takahashi is good with writing Characters, I hope he can make Villains of Ex-Aid more Memorable than this one.

I think Kamen Rider Ghost got to be the weakest Kamen Rider show. That show totally let me down :(

I will still watch V-Cinema of Ghost because I do like V-Cinema of Kamen Rider but please! Ex-Aid! Don't let me down! :cry

Oh like hell you two are getting away!!! *chases after them swinging a pickax around* GET BACK HERE BEFORE I MINE YOUR ASSES!!!!!

Well I never expected I would have to argue with myself if I think Ghost is worse than Wizard. I would’ve never thought we get another show I would dislike so much.

But hey, it's just a show, it's over very soon, so I can move on and delete it from my brain. And my hard drive.

What's that supposed to mean? :lol

From my experience a bad Rider show is actually the minority, not the standard. And technically there was also Amazons this year, that alone tipped the scale back into the "good year"-section as far as I’m concerned ;)

Sadly the first season was not long enough to help us get through the rest of ghost, though at least ghost seems forgettable so thats a plus

What I meant to say with that comment was that the Kamen Rider fanbase, at least to me, seems a little divisive. I know that all shows, regardless of genre or country of origin have their fair share of lovers and haters but the english speaking toku fanbase seems a little more divisive to me precisely because it is so small.

I didn't mean to mislead or offend anyone with that comment and I apologize if I have done so.

Okay, okay, I'm back. I thought that this was a good ending because it wraps up Ghost without making me feel like I was cheated out of a deep ending with a happy ending. The happy ending was deserved. This would've been an okay ending if not for the awesome music that doubled the feels in this episode and makes it a good ending in my book (maybe it's because I had terrible expectations...)!

All of the heroic spirits fighting alongside Takeru in his Ore form was about the only highlight here for me.

Pretty disappointing show, but at least it's essentially over. Shame said finale just came across pretty lackluster, but about what should've been expected.

IT Felt RUSHED AS F--K I would explain more but that would require spoilers, also Ryuki's was the worse IMO it was literally Pressing the reset button ON EVERYTHING

And I never expected I would have to argue with myself if I like Ghost even more than Wizard. We're from two very different worlds, you and I. :p

Is this a bad time to mention that I think Ryuki's ending made perfect sense for the story it was telling and complaining about the "reset button" part of it misses the point?

Don't worry I agree with you about Ryuki's ending :thumb:

Hmm...here pro and cos in Kamen Rider Ghost in my opinion:

Pros:
- Ghost, Necrom, Specter, and Dark Ghost has glowing suits like Faiz
- Awesome monster designs (Ganma and Ganmaizers)
- Ghost has Historical Figures as one of main theme. The Historical Figure theme used for Riders and Ganma (probably each Ganmaizers also has Historical Figures as their motif too)
- Akari as genius supporting female character
- Some of memorable characters like Alain, returning Joh Ohara/Yellow Lion actor (Kazuhiko Nishimura) as Ryu Tenkuji, and Fumi Fukushima
- Alain's character development
- Eddith and Royal Ganma Family past looks interesting. Also, interesting Ganma World history especially about conncetion between Ganma World and Great Eye
- Ganma World visual (especially buildings and red sky) looks awesome

Cons:
- Too much focused episode on victim of the week. It would be better if they not used victim of the week storyline after episode 33.
- Frey and Freya appeared in series
- Alia mostly only sitting and not become Dark Necrom P again after she (as Dark Necrom P) defeated by Ganmaizer Planet and Ganmaizer Climate.
- The battle against Ganmaizers after episode 43 become very boring
- Overused Ghost Grateful Damashii and Ghost Mugen Damashii and the Heroic Damashii become rarer to be used after Grateful and Mugen's debut
- After episode 45, many people face become look like Adel's face. I think this looks funny in my opinion.
- The two Specter's Ghost Eyecons (Tutankhamun and Houdini) origin is still not yet revealed. Hmm...maybe they will explain Tutankhamun and Houdini (Machine Hoodie) origin in V-Cinema for Specter. Probably Specter also will obtain Tenkatoitsu Ghost Eyecon in V-Cinema.
- Necrom not have other form after Grimm and Sanzo

You can essentially blame that on the toy for not having a proper blank sound. The only other sound it had was Ghost as the generic sound with any other Eyecon inserted.

It's quite a shame since the Mega Ulorder is essentially the second gear that gets released. It's very underwhelming compared to the Mach Driver in terms of functionality.

And even the Mach Driver gets some things right compared to the Ghost Driver. If there's one function I wish the Ghost Driver had was separate standby sounds. By that I mean if you load Ghost's sound in you get Batchirimina for all the Eyecon's. But if you insert Specter's then you get the Batchirimiro sound for all the Eyecon's, just like how they did it for Mach and Chaser.

Yes...Mach Driver, Brake Gunner, and White Wizard Driver has many sounds and thats really fun and cool. I am really curious, why they only make four sounds (Necrom, Grimm, Sanzo, and Ghost) in DX Mega Ulorder. Hmm....I am really love Mega Ulorder voices, eyedropper concept, and effects. Mega Ulorder voice really remind me to all belt sounds from Kamen Rider Faiz.

Hmm...it would be interesting too if Ghost Drive can remember which basic Ghost Eyecon (Ghost and Specter) waiting music sounds....

Yes the theory is familiar to me. Mirror universe, Earth-Three, Shattered Glass and so on. This pretty much confirms that you’re an evil me from one of those worlds, with a moustache.

It also explains why you like Wizard and Ghost so much: In your dimension these two are actually good, lone successors in a franchise full of terrible shows. I must’ve been blind to not realize this sooner. I mean, the signs are obvious: I’m openly good, you are secretly evil, I dislike bad Rider shows, you like them, I prefer chicken sandwiches, you’re the fish sandwich guy, no moustache, moustache.

The only question which remains is: Why are you writing on a forum board of another dimension? Surely to spread your evil beliefs of the Kamen Rider franchise throughout the multiverse, since I would never do such a thing.

So the Great Eye was a giant snitch all this time? Who would have thought it :lol

All in all I think that was a decent enough finale – it could have done some things better but thematically it worked. Despite not enjoying the show all that much I did get a surge of emotion seeing Takeru float down like in the OP and then be greeted by his friends. Same goes for seeing the Ganma wake up as humans. Calling out the fact he talks about being hungry seems incredibly nitpicky though – he was dead, I don’t think something that like needed to have any more attention brought to it than just for a fun little scene at the end.

Surprisingly I quite liked the Great Eyezer costume, just a shame that it got swapped for a CGI monstrosity halfway through the episode. At least it came back for that fight at the end though, which was definitely the action highlight here.

Sidelining Specter and Necrom so severely was a real problem though – they didn’t really do anything at all. On the other hand, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Genm despite how unnecessary it was.

Yurusen as a cat raises several questions, but I guess if the Ganma were all also humans than I should just go with it. Personality-wise it makes perfect sense so whatever.

Ghost for me will remain a show that had a good idea for an overall plot but went about telling it really badly, but it’s nice to see the show effectively ending on what I would consider a good note.

Finally got around to rewatching this episode, my opinion surprisingly hasn't changed much. At first maybe I thought the awesome GENM cameo just put me in a good mood, and I guess that could still be the case, but I think it was about as good a finale for this show as I could have expected. At the very least, I enjoyed it a lot more than 48.

Ultimately, I don't think Ghost is necessarily as terrible a show as people make it out to be, but I also don't think it was really very good. I was very excited about it going into it (this being the first Rider show I watched as it aired, and my general affinity for the suits and gear...at least for most of it). and that sort of came and went throughout the first half of the show, and there's generally been at least something throughout the entire show (even if relatively insignificant like the Ganmaizers) that kept my interest, but by and large I just wasn't able to care about much anything in the show since...a while ago.

But this honestly was a solid enough conclusion for the show that it was, and I can't claim to not have enjoyed it. Even sorta made me remember the days when I was more into it. It was a show with a lot of ideas and, dare I say, nearly infinite potential. I don't think it really took advantage of even most of it. But it did leave me with plenty to think about. And in the end it all came together aptly enough for me to be satisfied, I guess.

I have to wonder how different my opinion of the show would be if I'd watched it after it was over. Wizard, another much reviled show, easily and quickly became one of my favorites when I watched it. Would my inability to nitpick and form expectations week-to-week change how I viewed it and its characters? Would the fact that it would have ended up being a highly unpopular/divisive series to begin with set my expectations low enough that it would inevitably surpass them?

Would I still wish Onari didn't exist? There's at least one question I probably know the answer to.

But I really don't know. A surprising number of complaints I see about the show, as Fish Sandwich has commented on, stem from people either apparently not paying too much attention or just forgetting details about the plot or the setting. Now, I don't really share too many of those complaints, because forgetting stuff isn't a problem I have too much with this show. I've watched every episode at least twice, and was interested in a bunch of the lore stuff so I tended to keep tabs on stuff like the Asahi site and whatnot. But then I think, is that the problem then? Do I remember too much of this stuff? Does suffering through all the cliched lines and Onari-level-gags twice make it look worse than it actually is? Is the series actually a really obtuse and unintuitive mess and the only reason I do kinda understand it is because of the whole watching it twice thing?

Did watching the stupid idol episode twice irreparably damage my opinion of this show? Things to think about.

I guess I'll never really know. Watching the show for a third time to try and figure out if that works better for me is not something I'm particularly keen on doing. So I guess all I can do is shrug, sigh, and hope I like Ex-Aid a lot better (part of me wants to wait until ex-aid is over to give it its fair chance, but even that part knows that's not gonna happen. oh well).

In the end, at least, there's one thing I'm rather grateful about regarding Ghost, and that's that my understanding of Japanese has gotten a ton better over the past year. While not the only factor, watching Ghost raw week to week was honestly very educational and helpful. Helps that the ideas and dialogue in the show were both repetitive and relatively simple, but something is something. For...at least a few months now, it got to the point where I pretty much explicitly understood or at least got the gist of virtually everything in the raw, and just watched subs to clarify some lines and compare/contrast how I would word something vs. O-T. It's been pretty fun. I truly believe without first dipping my toes into raws with Ghost I never would have considered the idea of watching other shows that don't have subs, as I have had to do with, like Suite Precure. Which was a show I enjoyed more than Ghost itself (and taught me a fair amount, too) so...there's that. Thanks for that, Ghost.

Anyways, that's my two 2 am cents on Ghost. Presented in easy to digest indigestible ramble format probably...

No the other shows are still good here too. It's more Earth-Two or Ultimate Universe than anything. And I don't have a moustache!

I'm gonna go with yes. Ghost really does seem like a show best enjoyed in big chunks for whatever reasons. And it could NEVER be as bad as some people make it sound. I think Kiva was basically that for me.

Oh man I can SO relate to this. I did that with Ultraman X (which I really loved) and it was always so much fun. Before even that I actually watched about half of Cosmos with crappy HK subs that may as well be a raw too. Also super fun! Don't know why I haven't finished it yet! Outside of *technobabble* they're exactly as easily comprehensible as you would expect a show for small children to be.

if you like it ok no my problem I just REALLY Don't like it when hey do that as the ending

That's sort of my point. Ordinally an ending like that is lame but Ryuki honestly justifies it in my opinion. It threw me off when I first watched it but I quickly came around.

The ending is hard to be ok with hell I hated it till I read a theory on here about it that made it work for me. I am curious though if Ryuki was an anime with more episodes, would that fix the problems?

Eye freaking loved this episode a lot. Just the whole battle with the Great Eyeser was fantastic that all them fighting their hearts out was great. Also that Takeru realized love in his heart and used the power of love to defeat the giant form was brilliant. Eye loved a lot of the moments of learning about Takeru's mother, seeing Yurusen's true form, Javert sacrificing himself for Alain, Cubi's human form as well as return. Everyone coming together and believing in Takeru. The fight with Takeru and the Luminaries vs the Great Eyeser at the end was brilliant especially when everyone called Takeru a luminary himself, and Takeru coming back and saying I belief in myself and My life is burning bright. Kamen Rider Genm's entrance was kick ass, Eye am so ready for the mysteries that Ex-Aid will bring and Eye like adding in small touches and a special crossover episode to help get you excited for the next series if you love the current one. Eye loved Takeru reviving and wanting food that was so much fun and I loved the ending fist bumps with Takeru, Alain, and Makoto. Such a good end to the main story right now. Eye can't wait for the last episode and all the tears Eye'll have too. Also the changing of I's to Eye's was a call back to when everyone was doing it in the beginning of this show and Eye missed that.

With that said, a lot of the comments in this thread have actually made me feel a bit better, knowing I'm not alone is disdaining Ghost at this point. That wasn't always the case. I felt that Ghost was showing some real promise somewhere around its middle.

For me, it just didn't realize its potential. When Kanon was restored from being an Eyecon, it was a sweet moment... and thereafter, she rarely had anything to do other than to cry "nii-chan!" and "Alain-sama!" Having her defeat a couple of Ganma by lightly slapping them was just... cursory, as though the writer finally realized, "Oh, she stopped having an impact on the story thirty episodes ago."

The writing just seemed to lose interest in characters after completing their arcs. I was engaged by Alain's arc, and then... he had very little to do. Ditto Makoto's initial arc. I though the story about his theoretically-evil double had potential, but... I still can't tell whether the resolution to that story was clever or just incredibly anticlimactic.

"I'm you, and I'm eeeevil! Oh, wait, now, I'm just... another you." The real Makoto dying could have been powerful - it sort of was for a moment - and then, "Nope, nobody stays dead on the show about the undead."

The show directly referenced the 3+ times Takeru died and was immediately given another chance over the course of the series. It was impossible to have stakes. The show seemed to forget that Takeru was a ghost, since it rapidly stopped referencing it or doing anything clever with it. The friend with whom I've watched the show had actually forgotten because it hadn't come up in so long until this episode.

Onari and Akari were sketched as somewhat distinct characters, but rarely had any development beyond that sketch. Edith/the Sage were intriguing up until the truth about his was revealed, and then he became almost literally useless. Again, it was like the writer lost interest.

I'll give the show this: Yurusen turning out to be a cat was clever. I felt sympathy for the cat they used, though, since he was clearly not having a good time.

The show violated its rules over and over. Did the heroes destroy a Ganmaizer? Well, it'd come back again later anyway. The final threat essentially indicated that nothing that came before mattered.

Adel was almost a strong villain, and most of the show painted him as rigid and insane, willing to kill his family and drive away everyone who cared about him. Then, suddenly, at the climax of the story, they just dropped all of that: he just needed a little pep talk! It violated everything they'd built up about his character AND ensured that instead of him being the ultimate villain of the show - which is what we'd been led to believe - he got defeated a few episodes early, leaving the writers to develop a new threat out of nowhere.

...and it was out of nowhere. Or out of the (extremely thin) web series, or a movie I haven't watched, yet. Hey, it's those mysterious ladies! Oh, now there's just one of them. And now the real foe is the Ganmaizers that were already defeated. Hey, there's a neat new villain suit! Oh, wait, they're just going to make a CGI blob. Oh, hey, the CGI blob is killing minor characters (some of whom were previously dead) en masse; that's bold. Oh, wait, Takeru resurrects everyone, but decides to leave the city destroyed because reasons.

The script kept randomly bringing back dead characters with no explanation. Once we found out Ganma World enemies like Javel weren't actually ghosts, that... stopped making any sense.

I could rant for days because ultimately, I feel like she show wasted my time. I enjoyed parts of it, and Onari's possession of Alain was briefly entertaining, but as a whole, this show wasn't going anywhere. Some of that is my expectations: I'd hoped that this Kamen Rider show, being about ghosts, would manage to be a little spooky; to create an atmosphere that supported the premise. Heck, Kiva did it, even though I have lots of complaints about Kiva.

Kamen Rider Ghost is a show that mostly forgot that its hero could float and turn insubstantial. The suit had a cool glowing feature that almost never saw use after its debut. Early on, people couldn't see or hear Takeru unless he concentrated. Then... it just wasn't the case anymore. If the opening of every episode didn't reiterate that Takeru had been killed, would we have even remembered?

She show had a ghost pirate ship that it only ever used for spurious-giant-enemy battle sequences. That's just... incredibly frustrating for me as a viewer.

The show tried to make a theme (sometimes, I guess) about infinite potential. She show rarely lived up to its potential, and that just makes me sad. I hated the middle of Drive, but I thought it got dramatically better toward the last third of the show, and I'd very much hoped Ghost would do the same. It seemed to me like it was going to do so, but then.... UGH, it just felt like the writer lost interest. "Do some fight-fight stuff. Have Takeru shout some platitudes and pine over dead parents. I'm out."

Genm's appearance was pointless, it made zero sense, and for me, it was the highlight of the episode. The gaudy bicycle is bananas - it shouldn't have worked - and I enjoyed it thoroughly even though it was out-of-place.

I haven't watched episode 50 yet, and I would like nothing more than for it to somehow exceed the quality of the previous eight or so episodes, taking some of the sting out of this experience. Truthfully, though, I'm really only looking forward to the Ex-Aid cameo.

For those of you how's sounded your complaints: thanks. It's good to know I'm not alone. For those of you who enjoyed it: there is nothing wrong with your opinion. I just envy you.

I'd just like to point out these aren't violations of Ghost's rules or unexplained or anything. The entire deal with the Ganmaizers is that if they were defeated through normal means they would come back stronger. Mugen was able to destroy them for real, but then Adel was able to use the Great Eye's power to bring them back. The Great Eye certainly had the power to do that, so it's not really an inconsistency.

Similarly for the Ganma, they're not ghosts, but they're still not in their actual bodies, so they can "die" as many times as they want to without any actual harm coming to them, that's essentially the point of the Eyecon system. Igor and Gyro and such and such never actually died. And Javert wasn't ever actually killed either. The show did explain these things.

...anyway, that's all I have to say about that. I sometimes see people complain about how the enemies never stay dead, but, while there's definitely plenty of things to complain about regarding Ghost, some details like this stuff isn't really it.

Though, additionally, I personally wouldn't say the Ganmaizers taking over and becoming the real villains really came out of nowhere. They had been hammering in that they were gaining sentience and that that was dangerous for like...the last chunk of the show. Whether that was necessarily the right move or not and the inclusions of Frey/a as the avatar of the Great Eye and all that...who knows. I don't think it really was that much of an asspull, however.

Hey it just isn't disliking Ghost without more misunderstandings than an episode of Faiz. ;)

In all seriousness, I get it. "This show is s***" -> not paying attention because it isn't worth your time -> "This show is s***" is a natural enough progression, unfortunate though it may be.

I'd also disagree Takeru being a ghost was "forgotten" in any way. His wacky teleportation stuff and whatnot with Mugen sort of supplanted the initial "I can walk through walls!" stuff. And on a plot level they're constantly hammering in that he's dead and needs to come back to life.

I'd also argue there's more to creating stakes in a show than simply whether or not people die but that's a lot more subjective so whatever.