Wasn't... LuPat a "new idea?"

That went over well.

As for the new show, I'm digging it. As someone who despised the "Tonka Toy look" of Kyuryuger, this is most definitely a welcomed team.

Well...Okay.

But i don't see any influence from Hasbro in this sentai.

If this bombs, which it won't cause it's dinosaurs, then they'll still do another series or 2, and work towards the 30th for Zyu and rest after it maybe if that doesn't bank like it should. All that stuff is set for generating profits without an issue.

Toei's doing fine, and Bandai Japan is fine as well. No one is "suffering" yet.

Again really a non-concern. That leaked list is over 4 years old. Pre-dates sales data, and any newer concepts, with only a few quick changes here and there. The original batch list ends as of the potential of a Marvelous mini, and this series. The new batch list is being kept top-secret. This was the cut off for other reasons and issues because of needing to restructure spots and how various other reasons.

New ideas are coming. This is more a tradition for new abroad owners and because dinosaurs do well. Let's see how the show does before casting doom and gloom. It may surprise ya.

Right now, the bigger issue is needing to restructure a different area that impacts all three companies.

Yeah this show doesn’t look too inspiring. I hope it ends up better than it looks, but it really might benefit Sentai in the long run to take a break and reinvent itself.

I do like the fact that the pink got an ankylosaurus mech, that’s refreshing.

I'm surprised we got another Dinosaur theme Super Sentai theme so soon. I was hoping that the Knights theme rumor would have been real.

I was expect something different this time , but i was wrong.

Maybe they wanted to do Kyoryuger again but this time no Red-centric, as in, properly do Kyoryuger as it should?

Hahahahahahahah no. Sentai will always be Red Ranger and his Bitches show now. LuPat and Zyuohger got lucky because the Reds are likeable and written better.

Zyuohger was an anniversary season and didn't do well. They'd need to do a Gokaiger mk2 in order to really get an anniversary boost nowadays, but creating something like that again would have its own issues.

Holy socks, I was totally wrong about that leaked list being a fake.

Mecha-wise, the muting of the candy colors suggests that this Sentai will try to pitch to slightly older kids, which would make sense given the earlier time slot. It's still aimed at kids, but maybe a year or two older.

The base mecha being a complete robot means the whole thing feels more cohesive. has a cool Go-Buster Ace thing going on. I can certainly see the mecha selling better. Many recent mecha have felt like an afterthought, either in their standalone or limb modes.

Another thought: the type of arm-switching we've seen for the last couple of Sentai is gone. Y'know, the thing where something is stuck to the side of the torso to make a largely-unconvincing arm? What we've got now are attachments to plausible arms. (Yeah, the more I think about it, the "knight" element is definitely the armor the main mecha wears.)

The individual suits look like Dekaranger and Kyuranger had a baby. OMG ARE THERE HOLSTERS ON THE BELTS WHAAAAAT

So I guess after several successive unsuccessful experiments with the format, they're now going back to the safest thing they can imagine? I can only think Kyoryuger Brave prompted Toei to revisit the dino well prematurely.

This looks not great. I like that the Megazord is actually robot-shaped with proportions and contours, but the fact that it’s just the T-Rex alone and the other Zords are just armour is really boring. Also the T. Rex mode and aux Zords look awful. The LEGO block thing is also dumb because it runs against the designs. It looks out of place.

Maybe humanoid robots....mythical beasts.....not more dinos

I hope they add more Pre-Historic Animals in Ryuusouger, like the Sabertooth Tiger Green.

Looking over the designs, really like the execution of it all.

"Thunder lizard Knights" is a really neat idea. Really can't wait to see what the extra Ranger is like.

And this new connector system I think has some massive potential. That's definitely something that needs to stick around.

Extra funny when you compare it to Zi-O that seemingly has peg connectors on his arms, shoulders, and knees. xD

I think Toei/BoJ is messing with people on the design stuff rather intentionally, but the interaction of the toys to material has some great potential fun to it.

And let's face it, there's a reason that's a "toy staple" itself now anyway.

Kinda disappointed we didn't get knights and dragons but I'm excited for Dino's. I like the suits but I don't know how I feel about the helmets yet.. the mechanic seem pretty nice but the Lego thing is kinda weird. Kinda want to see clearer scans

I would say Sentai is "suffering". It hasn't hit sales projections for four years in a row. LuPat will almost definitely be the least successful Sentai toy line ever. I don't know why people ignore these things and say everything is fine.

These reveals are pretty much all in line with what that leaker claimed, so I think it's foolhardy to simply ignore it. Not saying go and believe everything you see, but the person provided some proof that they're at least somewhat in the know by giving release dates, showing screenshots early, and revealing LuPat vs Kyu before it happened, with story summary and brand new pictures as well.

The Kamen Rider leaks they provided were supoer mild - Zi-O will have an extra movie, Odagiri won't be in Zi-O, Masahiro Inoue would appear in Zi-O. It doesn't really make sense to leak pictures, release dates, and summaries, post fairly generic Kamen Rider information, and then specifically troll Sentai fans.

I think there is something to them claiming Ryuusouger could be the last Sentai for now if it doesn't succeed. You can't deny that Sentai has not met sales projections for the last 4 years. Even though ToQger did well, Bandai had to adjust it down and we all know how bad LuPat is ending up to be. Ultraman of all things has beat Sentai a couple of quarters over the last few years.

Ryuusouger is a strong indictment of the state of Sentai at the moment. It's harping on age old stables that have always done well, but it such a design by committee manner that trumps other Sentai, very little room is left for creativity. From the suits being dinosaur Dekarangers with Kyouryuger colors, to the solo red mecha format (which worked well for Dairanger and was the best selling aspect of Go-Busters), it all feels safe. As a toy line, there isn't a ton of room for creativity here and I think the strength of the series will be the series itself, if done well.

Bandai has ownership stakes in Toei and the Sentai brand, so Toei literally can't use any other manufacturer less they buy out Bandai's shares, which probably won't happen.

Man, Dinozaurs Season 2 looks REALLY weird guys

It has a Dino Charge fell to it. But i like what i see. I hope for a trailer soon.

here's hoping this is actually good unlike THE LAST TIME They did this either way at least the mech looks good like the LAST TIME they did Dionsaurs(WORRYING INCREASES)(Take it the dark age Kyrouger I think hasn't ended yet with Zyohger being seen as a bright spot)

I'm talking about the mecha design. They've been conceptually boring for awhile now. I get the impression Plex is in a rut. Everything they've been doing as of late, has been exceedingly simplistic. Instead of transforming, most of them simply have you remove parts, and put them somewhere else. I'm still going to give this one a fair shot. I'll at least grab the first candy toy set. I have a feeling it's going to be just like Lupinranger and Kyuranger. It'll have an alright idea, that it does absolutely nothing with. It'll just keep doing the exact same thing over and over.

That's not what I said. I meant Hasbro needs to get involved as soon as possible.

I say it's fine because I'm more aware of the finances, and markets than most. As well as other factors that keep them all afloat.

BoJ only has that in Japan. Worldwide markets are a different factor. As we're literally seeing with how Hasbro has PR control in other markets now, and how the brand itself broadened out for a bit in the states with imaginext and Mega Construx. Toei revenues come from wider sources than you're realizing or mentioning as it pertains to sentai.

These aren't factors being ignored, but 'internet people' that scream "the sky is falling, the sky is falling!" really are silly. BoJ is far more accommodating than you're really giving them credit for, and you're really not looking at bigger pictures either, or wider market. As well as how more involved the revenue draws Sentai creates for both Toei and BoJ are.

So yeah, "struggling" is a far reach. They are fine. Bottom lines aren't anywhere as impacted as much as you think they are. Though part of that in the Japanese market has to do with low birth rates too, and other factors. But the global marketing has actually increased revenue amounts more than you realize. Like how the market has grown with South Korea and other areas. Which is sales data you're not seeing in those assessments. Same as you're not seeing other side market data like game sales and more.

If the bottom line actively was getting impacted, I'd be the first to mention that as a concern. But that's actively not as much of a concern as people seem to think, especially as ratings have been increasing in the audience reach, besides wider licensing opportunities and wider markets.

That sales data you're seeing is only one fraction of the larger pie. And even then, you're still not seeing all the numbers or other factors too. So yeah, everything is fine. Revenues are coming in from more than only toy sales in Japan(and even that is data that's got other factors involved too you won't see in it per the market itself and how that data is gathered).

The revenue flows sentai gets are sustaining it fine. No one is going to cut BoJ out of it. There's no need to "buy bandai out of it" or anything like that. That's even sillier talk.

If the sky was falling, or BoJ was actively pissed and threatening to end it, or anything like that, then why would they do such a blatant "welcome to the family" type of throwback show for Hasbro with so many Hasbro inspired influences?

BoJ and Toei are much more open and co-operative than people really seem to want to give them credit for. As well as have much more open views to how to gain market share than they get credit for as well. They aren't some spiteful jealous corporate entity like how many fans seem to want to think they are. They are forward thinkers and are always a step ahead and very welcoming.

So nah, I'm not actively worried about "sentai struggling". That's laughable. Outright so. Something only the gullible would believe. Those accounts haven't even been dented tbh. So it's more laughable than even I'm saying.

BoJ and Toei have a lot of "false images" that fans have made up about them that it's quite sad on how misunderstood they are and the lack of intelligence out there. More and more proof literally is rubbed in the English speaking's fanbase's face about that, even to the point of outright mocking them for how much they think they know, and it keeps going right over their head every time. Even I'm facepalming over it now, pretty sure BoJ and Toei are too.

Here's hoping they can pull a Jetman with this show and maybe go all out on it. I'm not expecting Jetman levels of drama or anything, but I'm hoping they won't pull any punches in some areas.

they could be based on the dinobots from transformers movies.

Ok dinosaurs, can not say i will ever be able to pass up a robotic t rex. But really you couldn't do dragons, I really wanted wanted a team of Heavy metal Dragons.

Bandai Namco will most likely not be releasing Power Rangers related income on the investor relations financial update shows and quarterly performance charts next year. There's going to be a licensing fee, but they won't see 100% of the gross as it's no longer being licensed to a subsidiary. This is going to look like a massive loss of revenue after four years (probably five by the end of LuPat) of failing to meet projections by wide margins. (https://www.bandainamco.co.jp/cgi-bi...?entry_id=6242 / https://www.bandainamco.co.jp/cgi-bi...?entry_id=5729 / https://www.bandainamco.co.jp/cgi-bi...?entry_id=5728 ) I'm quite aware of the bigger picture.

I think it's become very easy for people on either side of the argument to bend over backwards to discredit or disprove whatever side it is they don't agree with. You keep saying it's increased that revenue has increased, but where is your evidence? I can point you to numerous charts on Bandai Namco's own site that point to the contrary, at least specifically in regards to the Super Sentai brand. Again, I'm well aware of the "bigger picture", those Bandai Asia and BoA sales have up to now been included in the group-wide totals on the investor relation sheets the company releases. The group-wide totals sometimes do better year on year but ever since ToQger, the Toys and Hobby business numbers have missed their targets, in some cases being overtaken by brands that hadn't really been selling well in over a decade.

Also, where are you getting that ratings are increasing? The only show to have increased ratings in recent years is Ninninger, which increase the a whopping .07% after ToQger. They dropped harder with Kyuranger and now there's another smaller drop going on with LuPat. (https://mevius.5ch.net/test/read.cgi...542280000//290 / https://www10.atwiki.jp/shichouseiko/pages/15.html ) Yes, there's a new time slot, but Kamen Rider's numbers have actually been improving somewhat at the start of Zi-O in that new slot, which is not the case with Sentai these days.

I'm not implying anyone is going to buy Bandai out of anything, read my post again, I answered another poster and informed them of what would need to happen for Takra Tomy to take over the toy side of the brand, which won't happen.

Ryuusouger reeks of desperation. Everything from dinosaurs to Ranger Key-like collectibles screams of trying to harp on the successes of the past, there's no creativity, there's no forward thinking, it's Bandai Namco attempting sustainability. One could even make the argument that this a play to go beyond Japan because of how successful Kyoryuger was as Dino Force in Japan. It was the most successful of the "Power Rangers" Sentai lines over there and justified the production of a new show, however short it was, in the form of Dino Force Brave. Doing a show in the same mold would allow for another potentially massive market. They're trying to cover all their bases, leave no stone unturned.

Bandai Namco and Toei aren't straight up cold to each other, but the creative heads on the shows have very little input in the initial output of designs and themes. Kamen Rider Gaim's writer was brought on when the show was already designed, its producer had one idea for themes but was superseded. TV Asahi is also taking greater control in all of Toei's tokusatsu shows in recent years. Their producer has been listed as Chief Producer since the third cour of Kamen Rider Ghost, when in the past there was very little distinction made between Toei and TV Asahi's producers.

I think it's very crude to simply dismiss these ideas as gullible when it's clear you yourself have various simple facts wrong. Sentai has been failed to meet sales projections for half a decade and is currently in its worse performing year since numbers have been made public. When there are increases in profit, its either minuscule (Zyuohger) or decent but not something Sentai is able to hold onto. The loss of profit with LuPat indicates some serious brand rot is going on, it means people aren't really sticking around for Sentai, but for whatever the theme is. And, I get it, that's sort of the genius of Sentai, it can constantly reinvent itself, but faltering happens when they have to tear down the structure of the toy line so much in such a short span of time.

I don't know what "proof" is being rubbed in English speaking people's faces, but I'm quite able to read and communicate in Japanese and this topic is one that comes up frequently, so, again, what's the proof? This is clearly an issue that even tokusatsu fans in Japan are concerned about, it's not limited to us poor westerners.

So, again, looking at it on paper, with the facts that Bandai Namco provides to their own investors: Sentai has failed to meet sales projections in the last five years, six with LuPat. Their 40+ year old toy brand is having its worst year ever and has been faltering for the better part of a decade, something is amiss.

(also, seriously, what's up with the high horse, judgmental attitude? what even makes you think that's called for? you can at least be civil.)

But yeah, unless you can provide solid evidence to the contrary to back up your argument, I'm peacing out of this conversation, it's gonna get real circular, real snide, real fast. Saying "nope! it's not true because I know it's not!" is not how discourse works.

Black isn't a Stegosaurus, Black is a Miragaia longicollum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miragaia_longicollum

On one hand these look really good but... The fourth Dino series and a 4-1 male-female ratio before the extras makes me groan

I call it keeping tradition on the team members.

It's a dumb tradition.

Ok, so where's the second girl? The tradition has changed to have 2 girls multiple times

I posted this in the other thread, but... I'm seriously wondering if giving Sentai one-to-five years off wouldn't be the worst thing in the world?

I don't want to think about a world without Sentai, but the ratings are low, the toy sales are low... it's obvious that something about Sentai isn't working.

Maybe it's time to put it on ice for a while and let Toei fill the void with another, potentially original, toku series.

Then, it comes back in a couple years to massive fanfare, huge ratings, and big toy sales.

I dunno. It's just a thought.

I think he means that it's tradition for dino-sentai to have only one lady.

A dumb, dumb, dumb "tradition" that's more likely just a coincidence. :lol

You're doing the lord's work, Waga Maoh.

A little of column A, a little of column B ;)

he's just telling you to relax, he's being civil, he's just telling to stop taking things what fans that dont work for toei and bandai that say on forums are true, if it was true, the high ups would be making statements that this is the last sentai and im sure japanese fans and actors on twitter would be saying something about kamen rider and sentai being cancelled, it's a big deal to them.

i also have a insider aka matt hunt on twitter that's the responsible to leaks of the toy scans and has very close info from toei, says that he wasnt heard anything about sentai and kr being cancelled and that information of it being cancelled is strictly false, if you want you ask him. just stop negative reading posts, numbers and all that stuff about sentai being cancelled.

if there's information he will gladly past it as long, let's just enjoy the new sentai and they will always be new ones every year.

Hmmm...for some reason the suits give me Lord Zedd vibes.

I guess it looks ok - visually, but I prefer when Sentai doesn't patronize but instead takes risks and takes the series to new places. Another dinosaur team just seems too soon, if not just lazy and disappointing. They even have the same core colors as Kyoryuger. WTF? And only one girl? I hate it when they do that.

Maybe dinosaur teams sell merchandise best. Maybe Bandai's market research dictated that Jurassic World was popularizing dinosaurs so the toys would sell gangbuster right now.

But Gokaiger? Bad@$$ pirate Sentai. Are they good or bad? Who knows.
Gobuster? Technology-spy Sentai with latex-like costumes and chrome mask glasses visors.
ToQger? Train Sentai that look like they were intended to come out in the 60's or something.
Lupinranger v. Patoranger? Cops v. robbers. 2 Sentai teams competing in one show. Cool.

All of those were more unique and interesting than a 4th dinosaur team. I guess that averages out to about one every decade, but it still seems like a letdown with respect to what else could be.

Unless the show does some really interesting things we're not expecting yet, this is going to be a long year.

Quoth Sunred, "This. Worries me.".

Is that what is is? Good find.

I will admit that Dragons would have been cool, but I also feel that dragons have been present in nearly everything Toku Related (Ninninger had a dragon, Kyuranger had a dragon, Kamen Rider has had heavy dragon-related items), so Dinosaurs are a nice breather.

One thing that seems astounding to me (since no one has mentioned it), is that this seems very Hesei-anniversary like to me. It makes sense, given that this is the last Sentai, but didn't the Hesei era start around 1990? This seems to combine Zyuranger, Abaranger, and Kyoryuger while adding a little bit of variety. After all Zyuranger was near the beginning of the Hesei era, Abaranger in the middle, and Kyoryuger near the end. Seems like quite an amazing Hesei anniversary theme.

In case you are curious, Heisei started 1989. If they were to really go Farewell Heisei-mode they would have done cars because Turboranger was Heisei Sentai no.1.

Though there are certain things I am warming up to with Ryusouger, it still does not change the fact that Bandai and Toei have recycled one of their biggest money makers within the Super Sentai vault from at least a half a decade ago thus showing a strong sense of desperity. And the show could turn out great with high sales, but what next after that, you know? At this rate that is.