It's really only an inconvenience if you have no idea what nyaa is.

Pretty much. If anything, after this blows over subbing groups can just make announcements on their website like "Its subbed now" without putting out actual links.

As long as they don’t actually post links or host stuff they're fine, and fans can help themselves by telling others where to find their releases.

this is literally the entire situation in a nutshell. I have no idea why so many people are overreacting. guess some are just that stupid.

I've personally never seen any purpose in following a sub group's website to begin with - you will always be able to figure out whether or not an episode has been subbed via twitter, reddit, or even this website. toei genuinely cannot stop anyone from pirating media via nyaa(people have been watching anime this way for god knows how fucking long) and all it takes is for someone to tell you, even indirectly, that the newest episode has been subbed and uploaded.

even if not for that, you would have ended up torrenting the episode from nyaa anyways, so why the fuck does it matter? full-length episodes in 1080p are too big to be available as direct downloads, so you will always end up having to torrent them, anyways.

it seriously feels like people are just using this as a catalyst to cry about kamen rider's popularity outside of japan - when in actuality, it literally has nothing to do with that.

Yeah Nyaa exists. I use Nyaa all the time.

But the circumstances behind why this potential change-up even needs to happen is what's upsetting people. It's not "Now where can I get my subs?", it's "Wow, Toei legit just tried to smash the fansub community's knees in despite the fact that they're the whole reason they get money from the west in the first place."

It's how it makes Toei's view of their international audience look, which isn't very good.

Of course these groups will use workarounds, but that doesn't change the fact that Toei ended up souring their relationship with international followers pretty badly, even if it's in their right to threaten legal action.

Unfortunately the only Sentai shows that are available for international streaming are the ones licensed by Shout found here: https://www.shoutfactorytv.com/tv/tokushoutsu

If only they kept up releasing more Sentai shows this issue wouldn't be that big for Sentai.

As I don't like torrents, I do really hope that Over-Time, IzuSubs, TripleS Fansubs, Genmcorp and other sub groups be will released on Kissasaian, TokuFun, KRDL, Mega, Google Drive, Zekozimo, etc as well.

that's perfectly valid, but not what most people are saying. some people are even convinced this means they won't be able to catch the next episode of saber lmao

Maybe not now, but what's not to stop this thing from putting off potential new subbers from subbing future shows because they're scared in getting C&D'd.

the C&D letters literally have nothing to do with whether or not you're allowed to sub a series. do you have trouble following what's already been posted here?

hell, nothing is stopping anyone from doing what IzuSubs(who is a new subber, btw, since they've only started subbing since Zero-One) has done with Zero-One and Saber, which is strictly uploading the sub files, and leaving it to you to find the raw video file. IzuSubs has not commented on the C&D letters and I doubt he ever will have to worry about it, because nothing on his website is illegal.

the uploader of the raw video file would have to do it discreetly - which literally just means they cannot announce that they're doing it or that it's been done. easy as that.

anime subbers have never had a problem with this, either, because they aren't getting paid to do this anyways, so what good is publicity?

there's also NonActionableFansubs, who has almost exclusively uploaded random Kamen Rider side/bonus material on nyaa, and you would never hear about them outside of that website. again, no law inhibits what they're doing. in fact, they've even started uploading again(and Saber episodes, at that), today. crazy how that works, right?

No, but I don't have trouble knowing how much of a dick you're being. Really, calling people who are legit concerned stupid? Is that anyway to treat people like that.
"I have no idea why so many people are overreacting. guess some are just that stupid"

I've already seen Toei alongside with AB Production going against fansubbing groups for Dragon Ball as an example.

Because actually "subbing" the stuff, is "stealing" some professional jobs.

Yeah, THAT argument was already used by both parties...notably in french speaking countries.

The thing is, right now, Toei would go against people uploading episodes of their IPs, they can't do jack shit against subbers except if the company having the Kamen Rider rights in the US would join the party.

I can legitimately understand people being afraid but if we have to do like ten years ago or so, having to go to some obscure websites to download the rawfile of the week, then fans will do just that.

We've already done that years ago, we'll do it again.

The day I'll stop is when there will be an official alternative that is global and not exclusive to the US.

Over-Time should literally just revert back to their "W-Time" roots and just release only the scripts to use with a certain RAW that you can find through your own means. Other people used to do all of the video encoding and linking until Over-Time wanted to do it all themselves.

I mean, did people seriously forget about this phase? Like I said, this whole situation is so overblown and completely misinterpreted by so many people. No, it isn't a good look from TOEI as a foreign viewer, but it is no different from what we've had to deal with before.
Weird how the public sub groups have had to announce their C&D orders, yet the completely private sub groups haven't said a word. IzuSubs and NonActionableFansubs immediately come to mind. Hell, the latter sub group is literally uploading new files as I type this message.

Companies and people even bigger than TOEI have NEVER been able to do shit about this. That's how torrenting works - it lives on as long as SOMEONE out there gives a shit. Nyaa has been taken down 3 times as far as I remember, and today, it's still as good as it was before.

I get if people are upset because it feels like you're being told to go fuck yourself, as a long-time fan, but I've personally never been invested in this franchise because I ever gave a shit about what its producers thought about me - or even the fact that I exist. I like it because it is what it is. Access to it has literally never felt restricting to me, even when I had really horrible internet.

How often are you going to repeat the same thing you say constantly, unless you really do look down on others.

Why do you seem so offended that people are worried they won't have the ability to watch their favorite shows? I don't know if you're aware, but the tokusatsu fandom has grown over the years. Not everybody who's into it nowadays was around back in the day. This is probably a new experience for a lot of people.

Heck, I've been a relatively casual fan for 7-ish years at this point (wow) and never got too deep into it other than posting here. I've always had easy access to stuff. I've never had to download raws and sub files separately. I've never seen any of this stuff get taken down (if it's happened during the time I've been a fan then I guess I didn't notice). But a company sending a letter to fansubbing groups telling them to stop? If you're not a long-hauler, that certainly sounds like the end.

Now, you're right - things will be fine, there are work arounds. And that's a good thing. But like I said in my opening sentence - why do you seem so offended that people are worried? Just reassure them and move on.

edit: okay, I remember KRDL being taken down at one point, but I just switched to getting them from the fansub groups themselves.

"I've never worried about this so I don't understand why others are" isn't exactly the best response to this considering, as stated, the tokusatsu community has grown in the west since the old day and just because you've dealt with the whole "we gotta go underground" era of subs doesn't mean everyone has.

This is old to you. This is new to many others. Treating them like they're being silly makes you look stuck-up.

Thankfully, Toei’s efforts to clamp down on fansubs seem about as half-hearted and weak as, well, their attempts to bring Rider to the west. From what I’ve seen it looks like we’ll still be getting what we have been getting... though it is harder, which I can see locking out certain people and scaring off new viewers. It’s a blow for sure, but not as bad as it could be.

it is a culling

the weak who give up shall perish first


But seriously, this is real unfortunate for the newer people who aren't used to this sort of thing. Hell, I don't have any idea about putting the raws and subs together. Never had to, since I always got the subbed version and never them separately.

Not like that's an issue with Izu Subs releases which are only subs since someone not affiliated with them on the wonderful cat site puts together full releases of both subtitle and video.

So I wouldn't be surprised if people ended up just doing that if we ended up just having sub groups release subtitle only stuff.

Yeah, pretty much; this is the big loss -- Toei's push has ironically made it more difficult to get into Toku. Not to mention it's likely scared off people who were maybe thinking about doing fansubs themselves; IzuSubs is a relatively new fansubber and I can only be thankful this didn't happen half a year earlier otherwise we might not have had them.

Ok everybody, let's take a step back and calm down now. Please.

Look, you guys can disagree with one another but do not, I repeat, DO NOT insult each other in the manner that just happened.

I think that conversation got deleted...

nevermind

Why do I always miss out when something happens.

What did I miss? ._.
But anyway, let's just hope that someday we will have global official channels to watch our favorite tokus. I think it's long overdue.

Indeed. Toei should have taken a hint from Tsuburaya LONG time ago. It has already been how many years? And their Toei World channel? A disappointment. Just feels cluttered and bloated. As much as it is a step in the right direction I feel like they are doing it out of obligatory reasons and to shut people up rather than actually putting care into it cause they already have a VIP club of sorts with TTFC for the domestic fans and the Toei World channel feels like a buffet of leftovers for a lack of comparison.

The problem with Toei's international YT channel is that outside of the 90s Rider films and the Kamen Rider episodes they put up, nothing else has subtitles.

Goranger? No subs.

Gavan? No subs.

What's the point of archiving your Showa-era toku series by promoting it as an International Channel when there aren't any language options for 99% of it?

Yes, that too which further makes me think this is strictly obligatory. Thinking about it really pisses me off further come to think of it. Personally I don't need subtitles cause thankfully I am at a point where I don't need it unless it is some period piece or a political thriller drama soap opera, but regardless it just comes off as half-assed and lack of effort.

If I recall the point of that channel is basically advertising for people who want to license stuff. Like "Here's some subbed episodes and here's the rest not subbed".

It's basically them fishing to see if they'll get a bite for someone wanting to license it.

Serious? Wow. I guess that says a lot.

I'm with IndigoArms! What happened a few hours ago that caused such divisiveness!?

Insults were used in poor taste to discuss the topic at hand. It's not worth repeating.

One should always be mindful of the words you use, and how they may affect others, especially in shared-interest communities.

I didn't see what happened, but based on the mod message and the direction past comments were heading, I think it's fairly easy to put together. Let's all just move on and get back to the topic at hand.

Anyways, I'm hoping that they're doing this because they want to bring it over officially. Not that this is necessarily an indication of that, but they've been bringing stuff over lately so they could be planning more.

edit: They've been bringing stuff over to the US the past few years. Zero-One has an official blu-ray release, bluefin is distributing the toys, and Amazons was officially licensed to stream. If they wanted to expand upon that, it makes sense that they'd want to stop unofficial releases that could lower official sales.

Nobody claimed anybody was owed anything.

nah they need to keep this series in japan lmao no point in catering when theyre rolling in our cash regardless

they dont owe you a thing just because your shelf is covered in merch

keep whining about how your rights to pirating rider/sentai are being provoked though

You know you don't have to keep provoking people when it comes to this topic. We get it, you think the new comers are overreacting but no need to fan the flames.

Being an anime fan I'd say this is nothing new. Anime companies always came to knock down pirated version, groups disbanded, terminated or chose to stop. There was also the times when fansubbers would just stop and/or delete their files when something they've worked on got licensed. Many instances of fear mongering when new copyright laws are implemented, Torrent share sites shut down, yet it still keeps going. One fansubber goes down? A new one takes their place. Site down? A clone or replacement is made. It's a never ending cycle no matter how many rules they make or how many sites they terminate.

To be fair, that's not really Shout Factory's fault. Shout has been stuck trying to renegotiate for the past few years after the DVD rights also transferred to Hasbro.

As much as it seems to be a step in the right direction, just putting two episodes of each Kamen Riders doesn't mean much.

To go in the right direction they should at least throw a bone at us, the viewers and release on youtube one full season of their choice.

I don't know but sometimes I feel like some japanese don't see the western audience in a good way...

Seriously, what is your problem. Like are you trying to get in hot water again.

I said something similar in the "Rider Subs Database" thread.

TsuPro has the right mindset regarding distribution with Mill Creek and belch things out far quicker and with much greater detail and honestly more exposure cause I still see Ultra Sets in Best Buy! On top of that, Mill went out and made a retroactive deal with SHOUT! to go even further. You don't actually have to buy the Mill-Released Ultra Sets to watch them (but it's better to buy them when you can)!

I believe the "Big Six" (Hasbro, Toei, TsuPro, Team Rider, SHOUT!, and Mill Creek) should organize as a formal coalition to address this in greater detail with representatives of each acting on behalf of the Six to hammer out some kind of joint distribution package. Make this easier for everyone so that those who can't seem to make things work have the boost they need. I know Toei and TsuPro are rigid competitors, but I also don't think Toei wants to see TsuPro dominate the West with Ultraman while they trickle out Riders at a snail's pace while simultaneously letting Hasbro play with the Rangers.

Regarding my original thoughts on the subject, with a little selective copying here and some pasting there...

"What I really want to see is more corporation between everyone involved. Hasbro, SHOUT!, Team Rider, Mill Creek, Toei, and Tsuburaya! I know that's realistically unfeasible cause of the financial and corporate competition between Toei and Tsuburaya, but it's honestly what's needed if everyone is to survive and go home satisfied...When international travel restrictions let up as cases go down, I want representatives from the aforementioned "Big Six" to get in a room and sit the hell down and hammer out some kind of agreement to make sure that everyone gets a slice of pie here and there and everywhere...I believe that TsuPro has a stake in this fight cause Tokusatsu distribution in the West is something they're clearly invested in now. On top of that, they have a different mindset and made a far superior distribution deal with Mill Creek, who in turn made a deal with SHOUT! and now you can stream virtually every Ultra that Mill has released to disc! Toei needs to consult with TsuPro to determine a more optimal business model with the West, and since Power Rangers is still the method of Sentai Distribution in the West, that means Hasbro has a stake in this as well. That's why I want the "Big Six" in a room together, because even when the argument doesn't relate to one of them specifically, it relates to all of them indirectly."