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I would never advocate watching TV-Nihon's sub of Hibiki. It's old, low quality, and has some significant translation mistakes (more on that in the next paragraph). If there's one advantage it has over the newer high definition subs, though, it's that the early 00s CGI looks a lot less bad when the entire video is running at 240p. It's a problem I have with owning Garo on blu-ray, too: even the best old CGI ages badly and this stuff was never that high quality to begin with. It's not, like, Captain Power level janky, but it was definitely made on a TV show budget.
The TV-Nihon translation misses a really critical line in this episode from when Asumu and his mom are going up the mountain trail. One of the other hikers says that Hibiki reminded him of Asumu's dad. This isn't the last time that idea will come up. It's led me to wonder if Asumu's father was meant to be an Oni, too. Sadly, that never gets addressed in more depth before the production change so it has to remain just a theory. |
I think I’ll point out here that Hibiki is not his real name. In fact, much like Amazon back in the Showa Era, Hibiki’s real name is never said on screen. (It’s Hitoshi Hikada by the way).
I’ll also point out that his show’s whole theme of mentors reminds me of a random tweet I read once talking about how Tokusatsu writers also have mentors when they first start out. The examples they used were Yasuko Kobayashi mentoring under a Metal Heroes writer (I forget which one, but it was one from the early 90s) and Kento Shimoyama (writer of Tokumei Sentai Go-Busters… ‘s side material post-retool, Kikaider (reboot), Shuriken Sentai Ninninger, Super Doubutsu Taisen, Kamen Sentai Gorider and Kamen Rider Zi-O) mentored under Yoshino Urasawa (writer of several Toei Fushigi Comedies, Gekisou Sentai Carranger and Movie Wars Ultimatum). I’m also convinced that Junko Komura (Doubutsu Sentai Zyuohger, Lupinranger vs Patranger, Healin’ Good Pretty Cure) mentored under Naruhisa Arakawa (I’m sure you’re familiar with what he wrote. If you aren’t, then what’s wrong with you?). What? I barely have anything to say about the first half unless it’s a debut or episode 24. I’ll be a lot more passionate (and on-topic) after the movie. |
Oh hey, you've started Hibiki! How was Blade BTW?
This second episode really shows how unique Hibiki's fighting style is compared to other Riders. His finisher is the most spectacular part. Usually a finisher is like the climax but with the Oni, it's the main course, preceded by a starter. Exterminating giant monsters with a taiko drum is cool and not something you will see anywhere else. Hibiki is also my favorite color, and the only Primary Rider with that color in the Heisei Era. Thematically, the show is very different. It's still Kamen Rider since there are Riders but the role of the protagonist kind of shifts between Hibiki and Shounen. Hibiki is the oldest Primary Rider in the Heisei Era and a lot more experienced than the typical Rider protagonist. Instead, the inexperienced guy is Shounen, who gives us a unique perspective as a guy following Kamen Rider as a spectator, like us. However, each arc has its own moral where Shounen's problem is reflected in the Oni's problem and the difference is in how the problem is resolved, which allows Shounen to learn and develop. In that way, I agree with the connections people make to Kuuga, although personally I think Hibiki does it just a little better due to how cleverly subtle the A and B plots relate to each other. The other atypical thing about the show, which has already been mentioned, is the setting. This arc on the island is a good example of what you can expect from the first half, a lot of atmospheric action scenes in mountains, woods, caves, etc which is very much part of the show's identity about fighting the forces of nature and how nature can be both good and evil, linking to the whole theme of Kamen Rider about evil powers used for good. For reasons that people have already informed you about, this show is ultimately not high on my ranking, but nevertheless, I appreciate it for its cool unique style and the potential it showed. |
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i always love Hibiki's hand gesture, sometimes i use it irl to greet people
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That thread will still be around, once you watch Blade. I'm not sure if I added much, but there's plenty of great background info on the memes and monsters, plus the usual fun discussion about how the series worked for everyone. I hope you have fun watching it! Quote:
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and I'm late again
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but yeah the first 29 episodes of this show are good the second half isn't IDK if to wait to repost my thoughts I posted a few weeks ago now or wait till we get there
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KAMEN RIDER HIBIKI VOLUME 3 - "FADING VOICES"
https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/.../hibiki03a.png "I'm even starting to wish that I'd finished a legal vocation My life would be dull but at least I could go on vacation" -Allo Darlin', "Silver Dollars" It's so, so smart for this show to keep Asumu and Hibiki apart. You'd think it'd go the other way, right? We just got the big conclusion to the premiere story. Asumu sees Hibiki defeat the monster. Hibiki sees Asumu see him defeat the monster. It's the start of a bold new friendship, one that'll define the series-- Except, no. Hibiki splits for his next gig, and Asumu heads home to get ready for his exams. It's not the start of anything, it's just some weird thing that happened over a weekend. Everyone gets on with their lives. Except, no. Asumu can't stop dreaming over this bizarre world of heroes and monsters that he's maybe half-glimpsed. Hibiki can't stop wondering if this kid was put in his path for a reason. They both try and get back to their routines, but they can't stop wondering if something needs to change. It's a really solid episode, if only in how much it drills into the reality of Asumu and Hibiki's day-to-day. Asumu is working hard to get into Jounan, but he keeps dreaming of the forests and adventures of Hibiki. His friends are executing on their plans, preparing for their futures, but Asumu's future has never seemed more in flux. All of the stresses of studying and exam prep feel like a distraction to him now, something that used to be important before he saw a wider, weirder world. Why do all of that hard work when he could be out adventuring like Hibiki? Cut to the dull (if tranquil!) reality of being Hibiki: long drives to the middle of nowhere, endless data gathering, monotonous surveillance, and you can't even drink your tea in peace. It's nice to have that process juxtaposed against Asumu's daydreaming, if only to show that every job has dull parts. It's not like you can save the world by sitting in a basement reading about historical figures, or by eating donuts all day. Fighting monsters doesn't happen by accident!* (*excluding basically every other Kamen Rider show. Don't tell Hibiki that he could just be blundering into these things by jumping in from out of frame!) The actual monster fight... once again, not really my favorite part? I still don't feel like I've gotten a great look at the Hibiki suit, and it's the third goddamn episode. I've seen the Figure-Rise kit, and it seems like a neat design! Maybe show it off just a little? The fight, it's brief but fun but brief. Hibiki immolates Monkey 1 pretty quick, and grows claws to gut Monkey 2. (That moment when streams of goo shoot out of the stabbed Monkey 2! Oh man! Seems pretty extreme for a kids show!) After that, it's time for the baby Makamou to get upsized for the second part of the story. It's... I mean, I know these shows have a formula, but did I not just see these same beats in the last two episodes? This is one of the things that ended up bugging me about Kuuga, and I can already see it rearing its head here. The monsters having the same plan, the same strategy every story, it's so dull to me. Like, I'm sure there's an in-story reason why the Monkey Makamou have to do things the same way the Spider Makamou did. The Grongi had their structure for a reason on Kuuga, too. But, man, it gets me so disinterested in the superhero/monster beats of the story. Especially when the cool parts of the monsters from the last story (there are two of them and they switched voices) gets brought back up again. I don't... I need some variety to these monster plots, or it's going to be very easy for me to start tuning them out. Luckily, the monster plot (or the specific monster appearances) accounts for maybe three minutes of this episode. The rest of it is a very charming thread about Asumu maybe finding a new dream and maybe having that door close on him (the look on his face when he thinks Hibiki doesn't like him!); and a very funny story about Hibiki and Kasumi having jaw-droppingly good comedic chemistry as they deal with Hibiki's lack of operational security and maybe try to find a monster in the woods. It's great, all of the character stuff. Hibiki is such a natural comic presence that literally every scene with him and Kasumi (and Asumu's mom) kills. The way he dances around when he sees Asumu's mom at the rest stop, him chewing gum on a road trip, the sheepish apology he gives Kasumi when she scolds him for maybe ruining Asumu's chances to get into a good school... all great. And, shit, Kasumi! So great! Consistently calls Hibiki out on his bullshit while always being supportive, and seems to be a fun person to hang around with. The two of them have such a solid rhythm to their comedy that you'd almost forget they're only half of the episode. The other half is spent charting Asumu's newfound desire to be a Kamen Rider (mmmaybe?), and the way his old dream seems diminished by comparison. It's not really a funny plotline, but it's still pretty goddamn charming. Asumu's a kid that's easy to root for, with an optimistic attitude that never seems too sunny, too grating. He's excited, but not excitable. I'm totally into the show spending as much time as it wants showing me what this kid wants and what he's willing to do to get it. I wasn't expecting the show to spend another couple episodes separating Hibiki and Asumu, but I'm super glad they did. I like getting to see them on their own, doing their thing. It'll mean more when they inevitably team-up. (Which I hope is in the next couple of episodes!) That said, man, the monster part of this show really needs to step up its game. It feels weird to like everything in a superhero show except for the superhero parts! https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/.../hibiki03b.png |
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Oh, and speaking of TV-N, I'm starting to feel a lot of sympathy for the position they must've been in with Hibiki back in the day. So much of the dialogue in this series is these rapid-fire exchanges that seem to actively eschew the sort of clarity you'd expect from a drama, instead emphasizing that naturalistic feel. Makes for a fun show to to watch; probably does not make for a fun show to translate by ear! |
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And I’ll say this here. Before there was “Ore wa Tenkuji Takeru”, there was “Boku wa Adachi Asumu”. And yeah, Asumu and Hibiki aren’t particularly close for some time, which is why Hibiki merely calls him “boy”. It’s a major moment when he uses the real name later on… and I totally missed it when I was watching. Thank god my subs came with the Super Hero Time commercial bumpers (Which that year had Mahou Sentai Magiranger’s Mandora Boy and Smokey the Magical Cat gushing over what happened after the episode was over). |
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That said, I'm a fan of Kamen Riders being such a part of Japanese culture by this point (34 years?) that even Hibiki would just be a Kamen Rider to the public inside his show, no need to explain it. Quote:
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(Also, hey, the Asumu stuff is maybe a little bit more than I'd want to know. Less of the "major moment later on" stuff would be awesome. Thanks!) Quote:
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Okay I only just started the first episode (6 minutes 6 seconds into it as of writing this post) but my god this is so wonderful.
Edit: like immediately after writing this we got a scene of a small child pinching Hibiki's earlope and that really made me smile since I did that as a kid. Edit 2: So I really like how this is shot and framed. When Asuma is on screen, the world seems to shift a little bit, giving it some sense of wonder, but also of teenage tiredness, I think this is really evident in how the show has his mom and her friend talk in sync. Edit 3: Okay the scene with Asuma talking with the adults as the only child there (or at least child his age) is so freaking good at portraying how alien and disconnected adults can feel to a kid and their troubles. |
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With Hibiki in particular though, even moreso than your Kuugas or your 555s, I often try to avoid using the term “Kamen Rider” for them. To me, they’ll always be Oni.
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tfw other than I'm pretty well-trained there aren't any good memes from Hibiki too
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KAMEN RIDER HIBIKI VOLUME 4 - "RUNNING ICHIRO"
https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/.../hibiki04a.png "You try to figure out and laugh yourself to the showers Burn yourself alive and join the monster squad They say in this place you can reinvent yourself" -The National, "You've Done It Again, Virginia" Hey, I got a late start on this one (GO BEARS) and I've got to get up early tomorrow to go in for some computer stuff (GO TRANSFERRING A DATABASE FROM RMS TO RMH), so this one's going to maybe be a quicker one that y'all'll have to help pick up the slack on. First off, a couple corrections, based on what I gleaned from this (really great!) episode. So, before, I said that Hibiki was calling back to "the temple", when he's really been calling back to "a restaurant". I was thinking of Phase 2 Heisei shows, where there might be a variety of places that acted as the team's meeting place, instead of Phase 1 Heisei, where it is Always Restaurants. (The exception of course is Inoue, because he's always the exception. I expect Team Hibiki Bar And Grill to explode into splinters in Episode 30.) The other thing is that the Makamou is only the giant monster, not the two set-up monsters. They're the Douji and Hime, but I honestly barely care about that. I literally care more about the restaurant, since that's more interesting to watch and talk about. Yeah, boy, not sure if the non-monster stuff is that good (possible!), or the monster stuff is that dull (more possible!), but the end of these Hibiki episodes is the point where I'm not that engaged. I'm not, like, distracted or anything. I'm not checking my phone. But it's definitely something I... not suffer through, it's not that bad, but it's something I grudgingly accept. The poorly-aged CGI doesn't help things, but it's not even that. It's just, there's nothing to the fights? In this one, it's way more time spent trying to track the Makamou down, which is great, and then just a couple minutes of goofy CGI until Drum Solo, exploded monster. There's nothing to it, you know? It feels perfunctory, so it's hard to get too invested. It's like being anxious if the credits are going to roll. But! As usual, I don't really care about the monster stuff because everything else is great. Literally everything! There's a crosscut thing they do in the beginning, with Hibiki running through the woods to these big drums, and Asumu getting ready for school to these tiny drums. It's a nothing scene and it's perfect. If they wanted to cut the monster fights entirely to give me two more minutes of Ichiro buying hijiki (hilarious) or Asumu investing too much in the significance of a compass or Hibiki painting a drum stick, fine. I would take that trade in a heartbeat. I honest-to-god wouldn't care if the whole show was just Asumu worrying about his future. And, I don't know if this is a criticism or not, but I kind-of wish the whole show was just from Asumu's perspective? There's something to be said for the value in keeping things as locked in as possible to him, since that's the most unique thing the show has going for it. The more it lets his storyline lead the plot, the more impressive the episodes are. The more they tilt back to Hibiki's mission... it's not bad, it's just ever-so-slightly less interesting. It does have some merit in splitting the focus, though. The highlight of the episode is the crosscutting of Hibiki and Asumu's chases. This heroic Hibiki race to find a monster before it kills again, mixed with two teenagers unable to catch a middle-aged man? Hysterical. (Shot of the episode was when the music drops over a static shot of two men playing chess. Ichiro races from right to left, beat, another beat, the two kids are winded as shit as they race from right to left after him. So great. Killed me dead.) It's also the thing I can easily point to as the show maybe not needing to split its focus, though, since the monster stuff wasn't nearly as fun as the Ichiro stuff. That dude seems pretty neat! And, yes, of course he's Kasumi and Hinaka's father, but I assume we all knew that when he saved that kid in front of the book store. (I do love that it's the Low Rent version of Hibiki's ferry save. I really hope we get progressively lower-stakes versions of that save, until Asumu is diving in to save a duckling from being hit by an out-of-control goose on rollerskates.) When they started mentioning their out-of-town dad last week, you knew he had to be showing up soon. It's literally the only reason anyone on a Kamen Rider show ever mentions their parents. But I'm glad he's here! He's great! He's very fun, and seems like the sort of guy that probably was a mentor to Hibiki, since they share a kind goofiness that is equal parts charming and an invitation to take part in something life-threatening. They're role models for people who want to be amazing or die trying. Either way, super into this episode of people going camping, studying for tests, and chasing middle-aged men who have outstanding cardio. (Do Japanese middle-schoolers not have gym class?) Not as into the actual Fighting A Monster part, still, but this is an episode where both Ichiro and Kasumi do Hibiki's salute back to him, so A+++. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/...sumisalute.gif |
The restaurant thing is actually a throwback to the Showa era, where many of the Riders hung out at some kind of dining establishment. Several of the early ones were run by the same guy, even. It's one of those iconic Rider elements like the belt or the motorcycle. The Showa vs. Heisei movie even did a scroll past cartoon versions of each show's restaurant during its end credits.
Of all the various restaurants, the one in Hibiki is one of my favorites. A big part of that is that, again, it feels like a real location. Just another example of how well Hibiki feels like it captures daily life in Japan. And yeah, Ichiro is pretty great. One of the reasons why this show feels so cozy is because it's full of characters that are really nice and friendly. These are people you would want to spend time with, too. |
Haven't followed the entire conversation, and I don't post here in general as much as I used to (my signature is also woefully out of date and I am too lazy to change it).
Hibiki is one of my all time favorite shows, definitely in my top 5 for Kamen Rider (probably 2nd to Ryuki). Hibiki himself is my favorite lead rider (Zolda is my favorite rider overall, character-wise) and his relationship with Asumu is just incredible. While I do agree the show was at its best overall during the first 29 episodes/prior to the infamous production changes, I will defend the latter portion of the series as some of the absolute strongest moments in the season occur during it. I'd post more of my thoughts but I don't want to spoil things (from either half of the show), plus it's been a while since I've watched it and I am too tired and lazy to dig through my old posts from my own initial watch of the series. Shounen Yo is also, hands down, my favorite toku related song bar none. Really, really hope you end up loving it as much as me and Switchblade do. |
I really liked the fight scene in this one for what it's worth. Between the location and all the composite shots to get Hibiki fighting a giant, it felt very particular to this show's style. Obviously it didn't come out perfect in terms of the effects, but you can see how much they were experimenting with what a Rider fight scene could even be. I definitely don't remember seeing Faiz or Ryuki throwing down with a big hairy guy in a river.
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Maybe this is different for folks that are more/equally into the Sentai or Ultra aesthetic, where I assume there's more fights like Hibiki's had in 2 and 4? Giant monsters and huge size differentials? For me, I want to see more fights like what he's having with Douji and Hime, and less of him running from/after a giant monster until he Drum Solos it into oblivion. |
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I think that I’ll bring up that the idea of the Riders meeting at a cafe in the first place came from the writer’s son. Which is ironic, if you know who that son is. And I remember that Die at least knows that.
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I’d say something but, like, I’ve had this same signature for I think a month now so...
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There're Kamen Rider trappings they're not really doing (no "Henshin!", no belt/driver, how often Hibiki takes his helmet off, no bike), but the storytelling is 100% Kamen Rider. Quote:
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