Overall pretty good first ep.

I liked the debut fight's emphasis on Revi and Vice's physical strength with then smashing the Deadmen through a wall as the excuse to change filming locations, or kicking the one of the mook's head along with the wall behind them during the fight.

I also like how the toys are utilized in the the show. Specifically, the fact that both the Deadmen and Ikki can use them in their own way, which means the show can get creative with passing the items back and fourth between factions.

The Fenix guys are totally going to be antagonist or just antagonistic to Ikki at some point. Their soldiers are straight up dressed in the reverse color scheme and motif of the Deadmen mooks (Deadmen goons are all black with bone armor, Fenix soldiers are in all white with tactical gear). I'd be amazed if we don't see them walking around in repainted/kitbased Raider suits later.

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Also yeah Switchblade, I didn't notice it during the premier or the trailer, but now that you mention it... that devil statue's definitely H.R. Giger-esque

I havent watched this yet, but kamen rider is a tv show in universe and Vice talks to the audience, could things get meta here?

Also fully looking forward to the majority of these plot points getting resolved by ep 16 as kamen rider is want to do.

No, Rider isn't a TV show in-universe. While that wasn't revealed in the show itself, the Main writer said so during an interview.

And honestly, thank god!

https://www.nihonhero.com/post/produ...nuity-timeline

Actually I believe I saw earlier this morning in an interview they mentioned that this is just a Rider World where everyone exists in it. And it was also mentioned that the tv show idea was an initial concept but they changed it because they didn't want to confuse kids.

It's honestly a real shame because it being a world where Rider is a TV Show would provide such an interesting perspective I feel? It'd be a lot more better than the standard cookie cutter "Oh they're just all together" excuse.

So the convict who gets captured. That is Minoru Suzuki of NJPW for those interested.

Translation of the message board that appears during the henshin sequence.

https://i.imgur.com/nQ9zC8P.png

I'm glad someone did it, thanks for sharing it here ^-^

Izusubs seems to have said they'll start adding translations as text to the release posts going forward (see attached screenshot)

Revi and Vice relationship really remind me to Ryutaro and his Imajin.....

Revice story is interesting but I personally didn't really care about Legend Rider Form concepts (Mammoth is Den-O, Eagle is Double, etc) in Revice series.

I think Legend Rider Form concepts in Revice series is didn't really special to me because the Zi-O's Legend Riders Armours are still fairly new and I still prefer Zi-O's Legend Riders Armours.

I personally prefer if Revice's Forms are using fully extinct creature motifs without using Legendary Rider motifs.....

If I recall correctly Revice's forms are only aesthetically inspired by previous Kamen Riders and won't actually be able to use their powers; Megalodon Genome only patterns its appearance after Decade and as such Revi and Vice won't be able to use Decade's powers, only Megalodon-based powers.

I'm personally a big fan of mixing legend riders with animals! It makes a great spin on and change from legend rider forms of the past, and honestly animal forms of the past too. I guess the one thing is that this is the first time we're actually getting dino riders and forms, so it's a shame those are mixed in, but... that aside, I'd rather see how they pull off mixing Kuuga with a lion than either of those alone

Pretty good premiere IMO. I think this is my favorite from the Reiwa series so far.

The action was pretty brutal, and that's always appreciated. I liked the character dynamics shown so far, can't say which one is my favorite yet, but they all left a positive first impression on me. Regarding Vice, I liked him, I was somewhat cautious at first because all that drama people was so fixated on, but he reminds me of Venom from the recent Sony films, which I also like. Always nice to see South America and fellow Latinamericans getting some sort of recognition on foreign media like these shows. Loved that Kuuga opening shot, and the Deadmans introduction reminded me of the old "Fiesta duro" memes xD. There's something about the fight scenes here that made me appreciate the suits even more than I already did that the Saber special episode couldn't seem to achieve, were they different directors for those or something? I'm not good at behind the scenes stuff like that.

Pretty excited for the next episode!

Yeah it's different directors, the saber crossover was Ishida (a veteran director for Rider, he's done a lot of episodes for a lot of shows), while this episode was Revice's head director Takayuki Shibasaki

I gotta agree, the action scenes really popped in this episode, the directing really did it for me in this one

I wonder if for the crossover they didn't have a lot of time to play around with making the suits really pop? I guess it makes sense though that the head director for revice really wanted to frame the suits as best as he could for the premiere, so maybe it just comes down to Shibasaki giving it his all, he did a great job imo

Based on what I've seen in this first episode, it has me hoping that we'll get a sibling trio of Riders again, since the younger brother is a member of Fenix but has a slight hesitation after seeing what happened to the other dude, and the sister seems to be able to fight pretty damn well on her own.

Main character is solid, demon is kinda annoying. I do hope he gets toned down (Like, I would just naturally assume they'd tone him down as the show goes on, but it's very possible they go the Den-O route and ramp up all the monster side kick's antics).
I do enjoy reluctant heroes, and it seems our hero for this season is going to have to learn to pull himself away from the bathhouse and basically babysitting his entire family (As he's both given up on soccer and briefly being a rider).

Action was nice. Fast paced with dynamic camera angles to keep it from getting stale. I hope Vice keeps his wrestling style. With so many Riders being martial artists or blade masters, it's not often we get to see a rider straight up piledrive a monster :lol

Day of the Dead enemies are neat.
It's been more interesting than Saber's intro, but I'm not exactly immediately drawn in, but hey, it's looking promising.

I do hope the giant 50 on his belt has an actual in show meaning.

Our main character having a history with soccer is honestly a genius excuse to have him be good at kicking, as demonstrated in the first episode. It's subtle, but it also works as a fun homage being an anniversary season and all. Zero-One was definitely a culmination of a Rider who had an affinity for kicking, but at the same time it was a little off-putting since there's no real headcanon you can really come up with to justify Aruto caring for that.

I love the little homages and references to previous Kamen Riders, but it works infinitely better when you try to work it into the narrative as opposed to doing it just to do it.

Interesting

https://i.imgur.com/yYzKD6e.png

Let's hope they actually finish it this time.

I'm not holding my breath, purely based on everything prior I've seen of them.

Especially given they were trying to be the main Saber Subs aside from Tv-Nihon, and well, we saw how that ended up.

While it's interesting to see GenmSubs suddenly show up to do this, and it's usually nice to have options, I won't lie I have a lot more faith in IzuSubs actually finishing the show

(Also I just personally don't like GenmSubs much at all, idk if this is a controversial opinion lol? Are they popular?)

I've never had an issue with them myself? Always seemed good. Though admittedly I'm not sure I notice many problems with modern subgroups; the only times I tend to have problems are with subs from like a decade ago that are still the only stuff you can find for Showa seasons

Genm’s stuff is fine outside of the occasional typo. Their big problem is keeping up with the schedule of a weekly series.

That's fair, and yeah some of the older subs floating around are definitely not what we're used to now adays

Makes sense, I've only actually watched a few of their subs before (not really a super small ammount just less than I've seen from other groups) and smth always seemed a bit off to me? It could be some personal thing tho since I don't really know how to describe it

I remeber for Zero-One I checked out their subs, over-time's subs, and tv-nihon's just to compare them all, and i watched the Genm ones first, but then the other two just seemed a lot better, at least personally

Idk what the deal is because it would be hard to quantify, maybe they're just not for me for some reason?

I might flip through their revice episode 1 tho just to compare and contrast with IzuSubs

Tbh i don't really mind IzuSubs, they use a couple awkward word choices now and again but for the most part the flow of the dialogue works for me, so it's probably just a personal preference thing overall

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EDIT: after running though some of my favourite scenes from the episode in the GenmSub version I think I do prefer the IzuSubs version, though I could definitely see other people liking the Genm ones more

I do appreciate the subs for the transformation text messages and the theme song lyrics

I think it's definitely a me thing though since again I can't really point to anything wrong with the subs, they just don't quite click with me, idk

Also took a look at NonActionable's scrub of the IzuSubs, and it seems pretty close to ideal for people who want more of the Japanese translated (it also has the texting and the lyrics translated), and a bit more localized... but they still have combi I'm, and also use demon rather than devil

Oh yeah now that we have 3 different translations for it how is everyone feeling on Ikki's catchphrase? (In Japanese i think it's "Ikki ni ikouze")

For those who don't know, the phrase means something along the lines of "Let's go all out" or sort of "let's go, get it in one!" depending on how you look at it I guess

but it's a pun of course on Ikki's name, so it also sounds like "let's go Ikki!" basically lol

IzuSubs has it as "We're going all out", which is very literal, no pun

GenmSubs has: "Let's get this in one go" which is also literal, no pun

While NonActionableFansubs went with: "It's Ikki time!" which is all pun and no translation really

It's interesting to me how all three are pretty different

In Japanese I think the pun is pretty good but it's definitely not easy to translate...

Personally if I stick to the literal ones I prefer "We're going all out"

But overall "It's Ikki time!" is very fun and reminds me of over-time's translation of "uchuu kiita", as "its space time" which I was a fan of, (tho that's a more accurate translation overall)

so yeah, idk if "ikki time" is better but I do like it, definitely more iconic and recognizable sounding (iconic as in, "We're going all out" is smth any rider could say, while "it's Ikki time" feels more unique to Revi)

How's everyone else feeling about the catchphrase and the localization options?
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EDIT: I forgot that JawSubs had it as "Let's go with no breaks!" in the trailer, so there's that variation too, and i havent checked the legendrushscrub which might also be different!

Still Izu and Genm are the two big options rn, and NonActionable will do the blu ray releases, so those are three we'll be seeing the most

Reminds me a lot of when we were getting subs for the first few episodes of Zero-One with how pun-heavy Aruto's humour was... this is definitely a lot more important though. I'm trying to think of a good translation just now and I gotta admit it's really hard to fit both aspects in; I can see why these subbers went with what they did. I think I like Genm's the most as it's more distinctive even if it doesn't include the pun, but NAF's is just downright funny

Yeah the level of variance for Aruto's jokes was really interesting to see

His out of suit catchphrase "aruto ja naito" is even more complex than Ikki ni Ikouze, (toku news network explained aruto ja naito in a video if you're curious), but I think a lot of the groups did a good job making it sounds like a comedian's punchline even if it wasn't too accurate to the Japanese pun

For ikki Genm's is probabaly more recognizable than Izu, but I think the Izu one sounds more natural, but that's just a preference thing for sure

The NAF one is so charming and silly, I wish it was a bit more accurate because if it was it would be my favourite one for sure, partially just for how fun it would be to shout at a convention lol

BONUS NOTE: My wife says it would be really funny/good if it was translated as "Lemme at 'em" or "Let's Ikki'splode!" lol

"Let's do this Ikkity split!"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...h53m37s290.png

(I made a mockup of the best pun I can think if that's still accurate to the meaning of the line)

Y'know, I do want to like... and I need to stress up front that this isn't to negate any criticisms (because many of them are very legitimate!), but especially given what happened with Toei midway through Saber I do want to give a shoutout to fansubbers in general. They put in a lot of work, very fast work, with no real pay or compensation (IzuSubs said they're not doing side stuff this year because they have a full time job now, and is only able to do the episodes on the weekends, and that's crazy to me!); and I think it is just sort of, accepted as normal now? But I do wanna put out there that the fact any of them are doing this at all is great, and I guess that's why I've been hesitant to criticise them too much. I couldn't really imagine doing what they do and I owe them so much

This is true, while I know this was meant as a general statement, I do apologize if I've been giving any of the translators too much guff

i like to compare and contrast things when there's multiple options and share my opinion, but I've probabaly been picking on one sub group more than the rest

Once upon a time, I was part of a VERY small scrub / translation group for 10 or so episodes of an anime, and it was an absolutely grueling 2 and a half months, we usually would get episodes out within 12-24 hours of the episode airing in Japan (though we got delayed a few times due to busy schedules and sometimes just burnout half way through an episode)

it was mind numbing work, tho it was fun in its own way... in the end I had to leave the group because my life just got too busy and I couldn't give up a whole day of my week anymore, still feel bad about it since they abandoned the project a bit later... the show has official subs now tho so at least people can watch it now, thats nice

in retrospect I have a lot of nostalgia for those times, but honestly the work I was doing on thay project probabaky took more effort than my "real job" at the time, the people making these translations are really putting a lot into it, and I certainly respect them for that, I barley made it through two and a half months, how people do it for years, especially solo projects, is beyond me, it's certainly impressive

I also don't know nearly enough Japanese to make sense of a whole episode of Rider, so I definitely do rely on these groups and owe them a lot, it's been a scary year for toei property fansubs too as said above, so it's amazing that people are still staying the course at all

Wow, that one even brings in a third accidental pun for splitting into Revi and Vice :P

なかなかうまいじゃん～！I honestly really like that! I kinda want to see a sub group actually use that exact translation now. :lol

I realized this too a bit after I thought of the localization lol, I didn't mean it that way but it's a happy coincidence

Thank you so much for the kind words ^-^

I guess if any fansubbers happen to be in the forum they can feel free to use it lol

Commentary audio on this episode by Mochizuki implies all three siblings are riders and they're looking into George and Kadota (the dude who got rekt using the Revice Driver) as Kamen Riders.

tbh the second they said in the episode that Sakura is taking karate lessons i was sure she'd be a rider later, I hope so anyways

The guy who failed to use the belt initially and summoned a demon instead could be an interesting choice, if they develop him in the mean time he could have that "correcting a past mistake" sort of story... I'm curious if now that Ikki killed the demon that was inside him if that will affect his personality at all, hmm, i hadn't considered that

It's odd to me to hear things like they're "considering George", I know kamen rider can have an odd production process but it's weird to me that they wouldn't know which characters are going to become riders from the start? Like I know sometimes they just sort of make up riders part way through, but idk the idea that George could be a rider or not be a rider, that they haven't decided yet, just makes the behind the scenes seem to nebulous to me?

I wonder how detailed the outline for a kamen rider show is before production? Is it really just a concept and some bullet points?

George feels like he will be the Rogue or Evolto of the show. Kadota I say either Grease or Mad Rogue.

I assume the "considering" part may be because the production team is still in the middle of weighing other variables like: the remaining budget left for Q2-4, George's potential popularity, what can the writers and fight choreographers do with an additional Rider in the mix, etc.

Doesn't this more belong in the 'spoilers and rumours' thread?

So this is a season that takes the place of what Fourze was planned to previously as yearly anniversary season (50th, to Fourze's 40th), I wonder (and hope) how will anniversary season that doesn't involve revisiting previous series go. For anniversary, so many 50 motifs, including the main family's surname Igarashi which means "Fifty Storms". So far:

The series seems to be the lighthearted and spiritual type (probably a nod for Fourze before too), though the spiritual aspect seems to be at surface, a dark type that it involves a demon worship cult Deadman, contrasting to Ghost's spiritual themes that are portrayed in positive light such as "Heroic Spirits" (albeit it glorifies the likes of Nobunaga and Edison too much). Keep the lighthearted part of the main cast, but I'd like for them to explore more of the world there, like how it ends up centering on a devil cult, which probably can add up bleak elements in the world. Currently the cult members are acting like concert audiences... even despite Julio telling them off to not "pretending to be happy" *cheers louder*. The Deadman's opposition Fenix being scientific already contrasts the Deadman, which should be ok for the darkness to contrast the lighthearted-ness opposite faction.

Ikki's a protagonist with the typical cheerful and bright personality (with his limit being Vice's antics), albeit he's not the type to accept Rider's powers right away and prioritize family more, but at least he returns Revice Driver to George gently. Vice possessing him is really problematic for his daily life as it'd screw him up and others (like his mom) due to no others being able to see Vice. The problem of him causing a mess seems to be solved after fully knowing Vice's nature, but personal problem likely still applies where he still can be seen as crazy for interacting with unseen beings. For Ikki's affinity with soccer, I'd actually hope for soccer-like Rider Kicks, at least he did it a bit with the debris from the Deadman's attack at Daiji's ceremony.

Vice takes the role of more morally dubious but comical monster sidekick like Momotaros. Though of course it's unknown yet if Vice will replicate Momo's success. Like Momo, Vice is loud, loves to fight and show off his strength as well, and a representation of Ikki's inner demon (like how the Taros take up Ryotaro's traits into flaws). He ironically makes the goofy Ikki look serious. Morally dubious because currently Vice fights for selfish reason, only for self-preservance, protecting Revi so he wouldn't die with Revi dying, as well as attempting to eat humans if he's let off of his leash (with him employing tasteless joke by claiming his attempt to eat Yukimi as this, a reminder that jokes can really be misused for that).

The appropriately named Daiji (with 二 kanji as the second son), seems to have prideful trait as he denies the Igarashis being his family when they wave a flag for him. Uhh.. that'd be actually a show of insolence and ungratefulness from a child (and certain folklore have these kind of child being turned into stone for this). Daiji being paralyzed with fear due to Hiromi accidentally unleashing a monster seems to set up his character arc. I wonder if he's the one that's going to be secondary Rider.

Not much seen about Sakura yet, other than establishing her as an action girl, using her karate skills to defend against Giff Juniors. Not to talk down, but humans kicking ass against mooks have been common too, as well, like Taiga battling Bugster Virus in Ex-Aid. She seems to take up Daiji more compared to Ikki, more on serious side like talking down her father for being a weirdo. Still I'd like the series to prove her excellence in mind (as what the series tell). Other than that, her actress is the one to have an appropriate name instead of the character, with her name being Ayaka Imoto, and her character is the little sister.

Yukimi's the one that values their bathhouse the most, reprimanding Ikki for dealing with Vice and the others to neglect the bathhouse. In contrast to Sakura, Yukimi's in complete danger from Deadman's attack. Genta is shaping up to be the comic relief sidekick the series had by focusing on making viral videos. Otherwise, it's an anomaly for Rider series to have the protagonist have a complete set of family, but more than that, regularly lives with them.

George for now seems to be the 'mentor' for the main Rider regarding Rider systems. Him having European given name probably should explain him slipping English words. He's eccentric and hammy, but he seems to revel in chaotic situations a bit (contrasting other's obvious panic), concerned about Revice's performance in a chaotic situation of Deadman's attack.

Currently as for now, Hiromi, the one that tried to henshin into Revi but instead unleashes Rex Deadman, is the one with the most sense of justice, attempting to take up the role of Kamen Rider despite the risks (well, risk doesn't only involve yourself, but the surroundings too). Albeit I've seen some series before where the outwardly admirably heroic character turns out to be someone with a lot of mental issues, like Yaguruma from Kabuto and Nago from Kiva, wonder if Hiromi turns out to be like that too. If not then the name Hiromi will fit him.

Aguilera is much more ecstatic and playful than I thought, she's not the type to be calm, distant, and composed like previous major female villains such as Baruba from Kuuga (Aguilera's outfit reminds me of hers somewhat) or Uca Worm from Kabuto. She had a clear goal of reviving Giff, but her role as the leader of the villain group along with having psychopathic childish behavior reminds me of Parado too. I wonder if she's going to be someone who'd never reveal her Deadman form just like the aformentioned Baruba... and Parado, and like the latter, fights primarily as Kamen Rider.

Revice's chat motif for his henshin worked out better than I thought, the words are that spicy and varied to have the chat continue for long time. I'd want for the chat to have significance of the theme/gimmick too though like Ex-Aid's character select to portray gaming theme. As above, I liked the part where Revice uses nearby debris as projectile. And yet another one of the base main Rider's power being legs that can jump high, like OOO's Batta legs (ironically, Tyra is part of OOO's final form) and Zero One's Rising Hopper. I'd wish the finisher would act like actual stamp instead of projection though, like flattening the opponent.

Have to say Revice has me way more interested in the show with one episode than Saber did with 13. Show just has so much more life and personality to it.

I pretty sure the important characters like Daiji (strongest candidate for Secondary Rider) and George are can become Kamen Riders in the future....

Maybe, Yujiro Wakabayash (one of George's subordinate) also can become Kamen Rider too....

Great! Great!

Good point! Vice mentioned how he would die if Ikki got killed, since devils are a part of humans. But clearly that doesn't work in reverse. So I presume destroying a Deadman just returns the devil to their host. Now that I think about it, that might even be a reference to Fourze in honor of its 10th anniversary, since Last One Zodiarts were destroyed the same way.

Yeah that would make sense. Like how (Black) Woz was originally supposed to be a final villain but people loved him too much so he became the new Kamen Rider Woz instead. I don't know what they got planned for George, but if people love him the way I already do, then hopefully he can become a Rider later!

Hey, you know who else has that kanji reading for their surname? Professor Igarashi from Ghost!

The Deadmans cult seems to be very hedonistic, believing that they should all just let their devils run wild without moderation. Which makes Ikki a contrast to them, as a protagonist who sacrifices his own ambition for the sake of his family onsen. That might be way Vice seems a little more intelligent than the other devils we've seen so far, since Ikki is dissociating between his conscious side and the unconscious side he wants to reject.

Solid first episode, hopefully the rest of the series also lives up to my expectations.

I'm interested in seeing just how the Igarashi family dynamic plays out and whether and how they will use it to explore the meaning of family. Kamen Rider has in the past explored the concept of an adopted family, but I don't think we've really seen a Rider's biological family play a major role, except to serve as fuel for vengeance when they get killed/harmed.

The CGI dinosaur legs were the worst part of the episode for me. They were just really off-putting, since the rest of the CG was pretty great and well-implemented for a Rider series. I have a feeling I'm really going to hate the Remixes... I did enjoy the fights otherwise and I'm pretty sure Revi (or Ikki) snapped that one mook's neck with his kick. I wonder if the fact that he used to play soccer (or just football, as we call it here) will play into his fighting style.

Since dreams tend to be quite important in Rider, I wouldn't be surprised if Ikki delivers an absolutely devastating football finishing kick later on in the series, complete with dramatic slow-mo, cuts, repeats, sparkling effects, maybe against a black background, you know the things Toei likes to do. Maybe even cut between Revi kicking and Ikki kicking a ball, but I feel this is getting too far into fanfic territory already. :p

Definitely excited to see where this series goes.