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Kamen Rider Die 12-30-2019 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kiwami (Post 752546)
And that is why it will never be among my favorites. It’s a great show, the first I've rewatched in its entirety, and it was still as good as the first time. Yes, it does everything right. From start to finish.

But that's exactly what robs it of the potential to truly shine for me. It stands with lots and lots of other completely solid entries in the franchise, is absolutely enjoyable to watch with everything one could want from a Rider show.

Yet after finishing it nothing stays with me except "It was fun". As far as Phase II goes, only Gaim and Build really left an impression on me.

Although, Gaim - I have to rewatch it at some point. I'm a little bit afraid of it actually. Will I still like it now that I watched so many other Rider shows? I mean, I openly stated many times that I have watched superior shows since. I wonder what it's like rewatching the show everything started with for me.

In fact, I played with the thought of opening a "Kiwami rewatches Gaim"-topic in a similar manner as your threads, but I must admit that I don’t feel like I can live up to it. Knowing me I will just not bother after a few posts. It really takes a whole lot of passion to write down your entire journey with a show like that. Your threads are the most dedicated and impressive I can think of around here really. I feel bad for not even having the time to read them along as much as I want to.

Maybe I’ll make an actually fun new year’s resolution and try to follow the next one you’re coming up with. Maybe it’s actually a show I haven’t seen yet and I can watch it alongside you.
Aw, thanks! That's super kind of you to say! I'm glad I've landed on "dedicated", when a lot of times it feels like I'm at "what if you didn't type out every weird Kamen Rider thought in your head". Y'all have been very gracious in tolerating me the way you have.

To your point about OOO, I see what you're saying. Like I've mentioned (probably too) many times, it's not the best at anything, but it's good at everything. Every other show does some aspect of OOO better. Even Ankh, and he's amazing. (Maybe not Ankh. I don't know. Ankh's real good.) I guess, for me though, I'll take Excellence Through Competence over a lot of the other series that have indelible moments mixed with frustrating errors.

Gaim, yeah, I get what you mean. Ex-Aid's my first show, and I love it to pieces. (They're all such assholes to each other! I never get sick of it!) But, yikes, I've watched so many more shows now. What if Ex-Aid sucks and I just couldn't tell the difference back then? That would break my heart, to have to discover that.

I genuinely don't know what I'm going to do when I finish out the Heisei shows. (I mean, shit, I've only got ten more to go, probably got some time to think it over.) I'll catch up to the present by the time whatever's after Zero-One wraps, then start watching weekly, but... what about the rest of each week? Am I going to rewatch the Phase II Heisei shows? It's not going to be the Showa stuff, I don't truck with Showa, so what am I going to do? Am I going to... go outside or something? This is a nightmare.

Kiwami 12-30-2019 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die (Post 752547)
Gaim, yeah, I get what you mean. Ex-Aid's my first show, and I love it to pieces. (They're all such assholes to each other! I never get sick of it!) But, yikes, I've watched so many more shows now. What if Ex-Aid sucks and I just couldn't tell the difference back then? That would break my heart, to have to discover that.
That's what I fear even though I must acknowledge it's unlikely. Even more so for you because Ex-Aid is just great, there's nothing to discover that could change that even upon revisiting it.

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die (Post 752547)
It's not going to be the Showa stuff, I don't truck with Showa, so what am I going to do?
Be patient with Showa. When I first started watching Rider I treated Showa like the plague. Didn't want to watch it, didn't even want to see it mentioned.

At some point I was kinda sorta bored with Heisei though, so I just tried it. I didn't particularly fall in love with it but it has its charm.

Maybe start with a newer one first so the shock isn’t quite as hard, Kamen Rider Black perhaps?

Fish Sandwich 12-30-2019 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Kiwami (Post 752546)
But that's exactly what robs it of the potential to truly shine for me. It stands with lots and lots of other completely solid entries in the franchise, is absolutely enjoyable to watch with everything one could want from a Rider show.
"OOO isn't my favorite because it's too perfect."

Kiwami, remind me which one of us is the contrarian here. :lol

Also, just to add my own perspective, OOO was my first Rider show, I just rewatched it in full for the first time this year after having seen the entire rest of the Heisei era since, and I have a couple dozen posts showing my opinion on it only got better.

Ex-Aid is top tier awesome, and if you're looking for flawed beauty, you can do no better than Gaim. Both of you have nothing to fear.

Kamen Rider Die 12-30-2019 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kiwami (Post 752548)
Be patient with Showa. When I first started watching Rider I treated Showa like the plague. Didn't want to watch it, didn't even want to see it mentioned.

At some point I was kinda sorta bored with Heisei though, so I just tried it. I didn't particularly fall in love with it but it has its charm.
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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich (Post 752549)
Ex-Aid is top tier awesome, and if you're looking for flawed beauty, you can do no better than Gaim. Both of you have nothing to fear.
Noted! Thanks, both of you!

MidnightsYulia 12-31-2019 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die (Post 752314)
Wow! Three days!

I'm interested in how the high bodycount made you appreciate the show more. Is it something you feel is missing in modern Rider shows? Does it create a heightened level of danger that keeps things serious, when a modern show might puncture the danger with levity? I'm super curious why the increased casualties make it a better show for you.
I guess the easy answer is that Kuuga just left a lasting impression for me because I was so shocked at how brutal the Grongi were. Some monsters in these shows are practically harmless while others may consume a few humans as a food source, but the Grongi kill thousands as a game. There are untold casualties in newer ones (especially when towns are wrecked) but Kuuga's show telling the death count was very impactful and kept me on my toes. It gave a sense of urgency for Godai and the others to defeat the bad guys.

Kiwami 12-31-2019 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich (Post 752549)
Kiwami, remind me which one of us is the contrarian here. :lol
You don't get to talk to me like that after your pick for the best suit design of 2019 :lol

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Originally Posted by MidnightsYulia (Post 752560)
I guess the easy answer is that Kuuga just left a lasting impression for me because I was so shocked at how brutal the Grongi were. Some monsters in these shows are practically harmless while others may consume a few humans as a food source, but the Grongi kill thousands as a game. There are untold casualties in newer ones (especially when towns are wrecked) but Kuuga's show telling the death count was very impactful and kept me on my toes. It gave a sense of urgency for Godai and the others to defeat the bad guys.
Plus, I was kinda shocked to see how society adapted to these monsters in the show. The mini-arc with Nana's acting audition for example, were she's asked to portray someone who is under attack by a Gorungi (I think) and a competitor tells her she got an easy task because Nana's teacher has been killed by one. Damn.

And that's just what I remember from the top of my head, I haven't seen this show in years.

FreshToku 12-31-2019 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Kiwami (Post 752571)
Plus, I was kinda shocked to see how society adapted to these monsters in the show. The mini-arc with Nana's acting audition for example, were she's asked to portray someone who is under attack by a Gorungi (I think) and a competitor tells her she got an easy task because Nana's teacher has been killed by one. Damn.
Personally I mostly remember how society didn't adapt to these monsters. Just about every arc, the body count is anywhere from a dozen to hundreds. If you tallied it all up, there had to have been over a thousand or so causalities in this isolated area of one Japanese region. And yet most people are still living their day-to-day lives like everything is normal, except maybe being just a little bit scared of the monsters. It's hard to take those numbers seriously after a certain point.

Kiwami 12-31-2019 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by FreshToku (Post 752573)
Personally I mostly remember how society didn't adapt to these monsters. Just about every arc, the body count is anywhere from a dozen to hundreds. If you tallied it all up, there had to have been over a thousand or so causalities in this isolated area of one Japanese region. And yet most people are still living their day-to-day lives like everything is normal, except maybe being just a little bit scared of the monsters. It's hard to take those numbers seriously after a certain point.
The numbers definitely. But humans still living their daily lives - I don't know, that doesn't seem so unrealistic to me anymore sadly.

Kurona 12-31-2019 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die (Post 752545)
I don't know if "reading someone's signature line" counts as spying! I'm just being observant!

In order to not be scared as much in 2020, I'd recommend thinking about changing your signature to "just someone who loves NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS LET ME SPEAK TO YOUR SUPERVISOR so much her heart might explode".
...

Y'see. The thing about that is. I'm really really dumb

Kamen Rider Die 12-31-2019 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MidnightsYulia (Post 752560)
I guess the easy answer is that Kuuga just left a lasting impression for me because I was so shocked at how brutal the Grongi were. Some monsters in these shows are practically harmless while others may consume a few humans as a food source, but the Grongi kill thousands as a game. There are untold casualties in newer ones (especially when towns are wrecked) but Kuuga's show telling the death count was very impactful and kept me on my toes. It gave a sense of urgency for Godai and the others to defeat the bad guys.
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Originally Posted by Kiwami (Post 752571)
Plus, I was kinda shocked to see how society adapted to these monsters in the show. The mini-arc with Nana's acting audition for example, were she's asked to portray someone who is under attack by a Gorungi (I think) and a competitor tells her she got an easy task because Nana's teacher has been killed by one. Damn.
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Originally Posted by FreshToku (Post 752573)
Personally I mostly remember how society didn't adapt to these monsters. Just about every arc, the body count is anywhere from a dozen to hundreds. If you tallied it all up, there had to have been over a thousand or so causalities in this isolated area of one Japanese region. And yet most people are still living their day-to-day lives like everything is normal, except maybe being just a little bit scared of the monsters. It's hard to take those numbers seriously after a certain point.
The body count is alternately terrifying and completely ludicrous, depending on which episodes you watch. Like, the ones where it opens with a Grongi already racking up a death toll in the hundreds, horrifying. My mind fills in the blanks and I'm unnerved. Or, when a little kid in the finale is like, "Are my mom and dad going to be killed? Am I going to be killed?" Not scared, just curious. Everyone else is getting killed, so it's probably just their turn. That shit is chilling.

But the ones where a Grongi just runs around Tokyo killing a dozen shoppers in a plaza, or swimmers at a beach, it's just... why are you living like this in the midst of an ongoing, months-long monster attack? It's not like later series, where it's a guarded secret or an urban legend that monsters are killing people. This is all over the news! At a time in history where people believed in the news! Monsters exist! They are killing hundreds of random people each week! Nowhere is safe! The police are powerless to help you! LEAVE TOKYO FOREVER!

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Originally Posted by Kurona (Post 752576)
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Y'see. The thing about that is. I'm really really dumb
Look, I should be the last person to chide someone for forgetting something they wrote. These things happen!


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