I guess they considered the Shinkenger cockpit footage TOO Japanese (to be honest, if I was a kid watching the show I probably wouldn't find it all that impressive either) and it was the easiest part to change to include the "TO SELL TOYS" mega mode suits.

I agree it sucks that they aren't used in battle. Especially when the battlizer comes into play as well in the second season.

But Shinkenger is extremely Japanese all the way through (even if it is a little rose tinted and fairy tale like) so it seems weird that the cockpits broke the camels back.

Oh I completely agree, which is why I added "easiest part to change to include toy-suits" ;)

Seeing Kain's issues with Samurai makes me realize just how boned Saban is. It seems everything is a lose-lose situation for them.
>Creates a series with completely new story and different characters
>Gets decried at ruining the source material and betraying the Sentai
>Creates a series that closely follows the Sentai
>Gets decried as unoriginal and just copying the Sentai stories

>Creates new costume and entirely new 6th Ranger
>Gets complaints that the costume doesn't match the series and isn't used enough (Titanium)
>Creates new costumes and uses them on a regular basis
>Gets complaints that the costumes are ugly and that not using them in a normal fight scene makes them pointless (Samurai)

>Disney gets complaints that it's shifting it's stories too far from the original Sentai's to be watchable
>Saban returns and attempts to recapture the classic MMPR
>Gets labelled as dick riding the original series

I know Saban makes tons of problems and a lot of issues are on them, but man, it seems everything is stacked against them. They literally can't win when it comes to Power Rangers.

Disney were able to stick very closely to the sentai without watering them down, and they usually shot enough of their own stuff to make the seasons their own anyway. So Saban has no excuse for being so fucking lazy, they produce piss weak versions of the sentai with new modes that are there ONLY to sell toys and add nothing to the shows at all.

That is Saban's problem, laziness, you go back and watch the early Saban stuff where they really tried to make something new, you realise that they really made no attempt to make a cohesive show, using existing footage in a new direction, they just smashed Japanese footage into their American show whether it worked or not and as an adult it's just unwatchable.

People also really need to move on from MMPR.

"Cranberry and Oyster Juice!" also the awfully dubbed "No Way!" deserves a quote as well.

Part 5 was fucking epic! It would have been nice if anything in this episode had build up...like at all, shit just kept happening for no reason but I soon stopped caring about that because MAN the mech stuff in this episode was great. I think this is the first time I've truly, properly, enjoyed Power Rangers mecha action.

Plus Jason and Tommy's showdown really was very satisfying visually, it's just a shame that it had no context at all, Tommy was just the new kid in town who Kimberly flirted with once, yet everyone acts like they've gotta save their childhood friend or some shit. It really did make a very satisfying wrap up to an otherwise pretty damn decent arc, and it feels like the perfect place to drop the show.

The rushed happy ending at the end was awful though.

I don't see any reason they couldn't use the original cockpits. Heaven forbid they use Samurai to teach children about Japanese culture in the process of the show.

Plus, the new cockpits are just plain and boring.

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Disney's version was the most kid friendly. We can't have ordinary teens fighting evil, they could get hurt. Let's give them SUPER POWERS!!!!

So are we gonna forget about the assassination plots in SPD?
Or the way the Master died right at the start of Jungle Fury?
The apocalyptic setting of RPM?
Cole's parents in Wild Force?
Nick and Mack's personal storylines?

Yeah I thought not, hatred for Disney is dumb, unfounded and logicless. If you prefer Saban's stuff that is your opinion but saying stuff that just flat out isn't true annoys me.

Just found big bad beetleborgs on Netflix UK so I am watching that and time force on Netflix

I have no idea about anything in RPM as it never aired in CO.

Don't remember anything about JF either other than the US actor for Rio getting beaten with the ugly stick.

WF was still Saban even though Disney bought them halfway through.

Who is Nick and Mack?

The assassination plot failed in SPD, so it doesn't matter.

So you're basing your dislike on Disney on one season then? That is even worse.

Nick is Mystic Force Red, Mack is Operation Overdrive Red. There are lots of other great examples from SPD, Sky's whole character arc and backstory for example. He was an awesome Ranger.

Hell, if not for Time Force, I'd say Saban really had no right making Power Rangers (In Space gets rave reviews, but I'm gonna have to rewatch it to see if it holds up, which is after Zeo, which is after Wild Force...Which is taking all my energy to get through...Ugh :S)*

*While I'll defend Turbo, I'm not oblivious to it's issues and I know it's fundamentally flawed.

I'd agree with you there Matrix, Lightspeed and Time Force are the only seasons that Saban did that are worth a damn. I've also got Turbo in place to watch again at some point as well.

Lightspeed is also another season I seriously have to rewatch. I might sneak it in between Zeo and In Space.

Turbo isn't a super amazing series, but it holds a special place in my heart and, while it does have a boatload of issues, I think it gets an unfair rep because fan favorites JDF and Bosch were cut from the show.
I don't recommend rewatching it and expecting a hidden gem. I recommend rewatching it because many a fan gave their judgment a decade ago and never looked back.

So it's pretty much how everyone writes off Disney then, basically?

Essentially, yeah.

Turbo isn't super amazing? :lol You get the cookie for Understatement of the Decade :lol

Kinda late to the party, but from what I understand the Mega mode in Samurai, was in part responsibility of Bandai, who at the time was unsure if Shinkenger was gonna get adapted or not, but not wanting to lose one of their most profitable brands made new figures based around Shinkenger designs, but not necesarily representing them.

So even if there was no series adapted they could still release something.

Or maybe I'm crazy and nobody ever said that.

It's not super awful either, it's more like average to the max

Okay, so I just finished Samurai and where do I go on Netflix to watch Clash of the Red Rangers? It isn't listed under Samurai or Super Samurai.

No, Ninja Storm sucked. Mystic Force sucked. OO sucked. The two episodes I saw of JF sucked. SPD was average. DinoThunder is the only Disney era series that did not suck, but it was still heavily flawed. As such, I don't remember any of the character's names from those series outside of Cam and Lothor, who were both from NS. I think one of the characters from MF was named Udonna or something, but that is because I recently watched Linkara's review of the show. SPD and DT are the only ones with characters and names I remember.

BTW, with me just finishing Samurai, I will say it has easily trumped all of the Disney seasons I listed about that sucked.

We clearly come from parallel dimensions because I thought Dino Thunder was a Disney low point. And Ninja Storm and Mystic Force were some of the high points. That said OO did suck and SPD sucked minus for Sky.

I've already determined that based on your feelings about Ryuki, MMPR, and Figuarts. :p

You are like a Bizarro me from a Bizarro world version of the Bizarro world I am from. :lolol

It's its own listing.

Ninja Storm is, as I've said on numerous occasions, my Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers. It's flawed, but it was my first series and my introduction into Power Rangers. Frankly, I consider myself lucky, because from what I've seen of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, it was about 32 flavors of stupid, and not all of them were the right kind of stupid. Ninja Storm tried to have a bit of an over-arching story. It was perfect by no means, but I appreciate the effort. Mystic Force suffered from being rushed. Whenever I watched an episode, it never felt like I was watching for 22 minutes. Operation Overdrive is better than (Super) Samurai. Jungle Fury is not something you judge by watching the first two episodes of. RPM is my favorite series of Power Rangers, and it is a shame that none of the later seasons have achieved its magnificence.

But that's just my opinion.

I AM PATIENT KAIN SENT BY MY EMPRESS RITA TO DESTROY YOU! *evil laugh*

What about my feelings on Ryuki? I have none on it as I have never seen it.

Yes, but you must remember, Saban did not know what to do with MMPR or where they were going to take the show. They just got lucky Fox was willing to put the show on the air for 8 weeks of 40 episodes and that was all they were going to do. No one knew it was going to become the mega hit it was. Not to mention they did not know they were going to start following the yearly series format at the time. It was not until Season 3 where they started to do over arching stories, and even that did not really take full effect until In Space.

Oh yeah, and I found the listing, but that is so stupid. When I typed in Power Rangers, NOTHING came up for it. I had to type in Clash of to get it to come up which is dumb.

Now is Super Samurai 20 ro 24 episodes? Netflix only has 20 episodes listed, but the last episode is titled Samurai Forever, so it sounds like that is the final episode.

Hey, man, I'm young. I don't know these things.

That said, Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers was still stupid. Yes, times and circumstances were different, but I still have to wonder just how this franchise is still around 20 years later when Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers was so... poor.

Super Samurai is 23 episodes, one of which is listed separately ("Trickster Treat"), and the other two are clipshows.

No, that's what I thought too! Bandai had already gone through the process of making "Samurai" toys, which were the "Mega Modes" because at that time it was assumed that Shinkenger was not going to be adapted and Samurai would be a toyline with no show support, so they made them look what they thought would sell to boys better.
Once it was decided that Shinkenger would be adapted, Bandai did not want to lose all this money they had spent making these "Mega Mode" toys, so Saban had to find a way to include the "Mega Mode" in the show in order to advertise the toys that were being made. I'm pretty sure that's why none of the Wave 1 Samurai toys had anything but the "Mega Mode".

I always considered Mystic Force and SPD two of my favourite seasons just behind Time Force. Mystic Force got too obsessed with Nick towards the end, but I thought they did well with making an enjoyable adaption of Magiranger while keeping things unique and different at the same time.

Found more info about the mega modes:

http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/PLEX
"As PLEX continued to develop elements in Sentai properties, they also continued to assist in the adaptations to Power Rangers. PLEX designed the Spirit Rangers for Jungle Fury, as well as the Mega Mode for Power Rangers Samurai. The Mega Mode was an opportunity for additional 'ranger forms' in toy form, as footage for the cockpits in Shinkenger were deemed replaceable. At Pacific Media Expo in 2011, Tsuyoshi Nonaka, one of PLEX's lead designers explained that the Mega Mode's design was usually reserved for Kamen Riders, and was inspired by Saban's own designs for Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie."

It's cool. Tony Oliver told me this when he was at NDK two years ago and he also talks about it on the DVD documentary.

It's because it was something completely new. As a teenager in the 90s, it was the greatest era for cartoons and the like. The 80s were all toy commercial gimmicks, whereas the 90s combined that with story telling and new ideas. We had Batman The Animated Series, which was the first time they had actually given Batman a proper adaptation, and it had the use of negative effect for the animation. We got Power Rangers, which was the first time anyone had turned a live action Japanese series into an American show. Plus, it had giant robots and super heroes fighting monsters in a unique fashion. I fell in love with the show the moment I saw the very first commercial for it. We also had Gargoyles, which told deep mature stories and also used it to cleverly teach kids about things like gun safety. And of course we had Animaniacs, the prime of The Simpsons, and Superman The Animated Series.

Anyway, like I said, it was more because it was something completely unique and blew me away. Even my dad would watch it with me because he enjoyed it (same goes for Gargoyles and Batman). Sure, these days it is cheesy, but there is still something to be enjoyed there even when you take off the nostalgia goggles.

Trickster Treat is that one taken from the Returns special, right? I can pass on that. And I'll definitely pass on watching clip shows. Guess it is just the 20 episodes Netflix has listed for me then. Oh, and I decided there is no point in my watching the Red Rangers movie since I know next to nothing about the RPM characters.

Rectify this error immediately.

I wouldn't worry, it doesn't come across like Saban knew much either.

I am gonna have to agree to disagree here, by the end of Green With Evil I'd given the show near enough 25 episodes and it did nothing for me. It was as if no effort was even put in to make the most basic of things work and it was just unwatchable at times.

Different strokes for different folks.

And alot of the plot made absolutely no sense. My biggest problem came when the Rangers lost their Power, before it became Alien Rangers. Okay. Ignoring Master Vile stole their powers and his Monster grew heads that looked like the Alien Rangers. To make them children again he stopped the Earth from spinning... Now look. I learned back in second grade that gravity happens because the Earth spins. They litteraly insulted the inteligence of children by saying that stopping the rotation of the Earth not only reverses time, but also has no effect on gravity what so ever.

I'm not really sure how an ALIEN ARTIFACT temporarily stopping the Earth's rotation to reverse time is insulting a kid's intelligence. You think kids aren't stupid, but they aren't clever enough to suspend their disbelief in a show about costumed superheroes and giant robots?

It's not like Lost Galaxy where you can apparently survive in space without any sort of protection.

Lost Galaxy sucked in general though, they made no attempt to make Ginga fit with the new setting at all. The acting was atrocious and Terra Venture was about as convincing a space station as my house is.

LOVED it as a kid though, so there is clearly a pattern here.

The reversing time, though dumb, wasn't me problem. My problem was gravity still working.

Orb of Doom kept gravity in check while time was reversed. There, done.

*Cough cough* Superman! *cough cough*

Least you didn't say Decade did it.

Oh dont get me started on that BS. Making the Earth change rotation does not suspend the laws of physics!

Actually, gravity is the natural attraction between two bodies of matter. Earth's size is what gives it its larger gravitational force. The fact that the Earth rotates is just a result of the conservation of angular momentum of the particles that formed Earth in the vacuum of space. In fact, gravity is what created the Earth—the gravitational attraction between particles caused them to form together into a planet. If the Earth were to stop rotating, I think the inhabitants of Earth would feel it, considering the speed of Earth's rotation.