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I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but I have to admit I kinda loved seeing Yaguruma's wordless rejection of the TheBee Zecter when it comes crawling back to him immediately after ditching Kageyama for the second time. Like, I don't exactly want to praise him for his integrity, given his... well, his everything as of late, but still, I can't deny how satisfying it was to see him flipping the script on that fickle little trinket.
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KAMEN RIDER KABUTO - EPISODE 45
https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/.../kabuto45a.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/.../kabuto45b.png I'm not sure what the bigger giveaway was that this was an Inoue episode: -the fact that Hiyori is written out of the episode -slash- completely ignored after one short scene that mostly doesn't have anything interesting to say about her -how relentlessly charming the Tsurugi/Misaki plot is -how psychotically dumb/transcendentally brilliant the Hopper plot is -how massively incongruent any of this dopey hilarity is to the ostensibly dire predicament of the series' imminent conclusion -or how much I loved this episode Because I did! So much! Despite a slew of problems! I mean, holy shit, Inoue has officially zero interest in addressing the Hiyori cliffhanger from last time. I'm not sure if he was asked by the producers to not follow up too much on that plot (saving it for the regular series writer) or if he just didn't care about it/Hiyori, but wow does this episode just bury that plot. We get a little scene with Another Tendou swearing to destroy the planet, and the Worm Widowers attempting to recruit him, but that's about it for exploring the specifics of Another Tendou's motivation or mental state. I could theorize some stuff about how his possessiveness has now turned into genocide, an inversion of Tendou's speech about protecting the world for Hiyori, but that'd just be a guess based on what we're provided here. There is not really enough to feel like the show wants me to know something specific about Another Tendou. Somehow, Hiyori gets even less than that, consigned to a wheelchair and self-loathing, blaming herself for being assaulted. It's... it is not a great look, despite how in-character it might be. It's dark in a way that the rest of the episode pivots away from, and disappointingly thin and repetitive. There's a way this scene could've been redeemed with a little bit of pushback from Tendou, some acknowledgement that this behavior from Hiyori never really helps her, but Tendou has a city to save, and a writer who I think fundamentally is disinterested in Hiyori as a character (I swear I can hear him muttering Worse Mari), so we're out of that hospital and on a recruitment drive. The Worms are every-goddamn-where in this episode, so it's no surprise that Tendou is trying to corral every active Rider to assist him. We even get to see a troublingly mute Drake amongst the all-hands-on-deck Rider vs Worm combat, and I knew the second we saw that suit that we would 1000% not be seeing Daisuke in this episode. Knew it in my bones. The plot behind these attacks is somewhat typical Inoue, i.e. he doesn't really care about it. The Worms are just everywhere, and there isn't really a strategy to be found between them or ZECT. Tendou's desire to bolster ZECT's ranks is literally the only thing in this episode where someone is trying to solve this problem, and it makes me wonder what the shit the rest of ZECT is even for. But, like, I don't care about any of that! Even a little! It is objectively a deficiency in this script, but I don't begrudge this story its disinterest in Worm warfare (the Hiyori one is harder to forgive, but I ain't Fish and I got different passions, INOUE FOREVER) because the Tsurugi and Misaki stuff is so goddamn great. Everything in this episode feels like Toei ordered five more episodes and didn't tell anyone until midway through the production of 44, but if that allows for an entire episode built around Misaki realizing that a handsome doofus who is eternally devoted to her is (excepting Hiyori's current misery) not that bad a thing, I'm okay with what they're doing with their bonus episodes. Of anyone in the entire cast for Misaki to fall for, Tsurugi is by far the most believable. He's lovable, in a really pure way. His enthusiasm is infectious, and his flaws are actually sort of charming when you get used to them. (He definitely thinks he knitted a scarf in his sleep!) The early part of their interactions, Tsurugi's objectifying crush and lack of boundaries, that didn't work for me at all. This version, where Misaki's like Ugh Oh No I Like Tsurugi, that's a winner with me. It allows her and him to have some equal footing, where there's mutual respect that wasn't there before. It's a more mature version of Tsurugi's antics from the start of their story. Which he IMMEDIATELY gets back to, as soon as Misaki starts to reciprocate his interest. He's given a division of ZECTroopers to command, and he just puts them on Assist Misaki patrol, leading to a highlight-reel gag of ZECT's finest returning an almost-late DVD. (I love this plot, almost entirely because you could never do it in 2021. What would someone even need to return before they were charged for it? Who rents physical media anymore?) Misaki correctly calls out that Tsurugi is doing the exact same stupid shit he used to do for her, but this time... god, I don't know. I'm like Misaki on this. It's dumb! He's dumb! He made a half-dozen ZECTroopers quit in the midst of a citywide Worm invasion! But he means well and I can't stay mad at him. I'm just, like, okay. This is who he is. Okay. But he's also a Worm, and that's what we're going to have to deal with next time. Oh, and there's also a plot where Yaguruma is so mad at himself for helping out last episode that he chains himself up, leading Kageyessir to do the exact same stupid thing. It leads to, bar none, my favorite moment in the entire series, which is Tendou taking one look at their chained-up torsos and Noping right the hell out of recruiting them. It is, possibly, the final punctuation on how this show is committed to the Hoppers as comedy relief. I barely even understand what Yaguruma's going for, other than Attention, but knowing him, I think I just answered my own question. It's such a dumb plot, and it definitely is not interested in making these two look cool, but I loved it. I loved this whole episode, despite its massive tonal problems (it's a slapstick episode set in the early days of Armageddon), complete isolation from the build-out of the finale elements (Hiyori, Another Tendou), the giant shrug of a threat (I guess Japan is like 87% Worms now, I hope they have some progressive representation in parliament), and how the show is salting the Hoppers so nothing will ever grow there again. Don't care about anything I just said. I adored this sappy, dopey love story, and I'm psyched for the next installment. INOUE FOREVER A QUESTION Although, honestly, felt like Tsurugi and Renge were going to end up together! Great chemistry, those two. Anyway, it's a Christmas episode for the ol' Kamen Riders, and back on Christmas (in 2020) I asked what gift you'd give a Rider, and why. Let me switch it around this time. Which Rider do you think would give the best Christmas present, and why? https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/.../kabuto45c.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/.../kabuto45d.png |
I think the best part about Tendou's reaction to the Hopper's is that he admits out loud that he was an idiot to think that they'd be reliable and not pull shit like this.
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On a different note, I spent a minute while I was brushing my teeth thinking about how nice it was that Tsurugi was knitting a scarf for Misaki. The idea of him wanting to create something for her, to put effort into it, I thought that was incredibly sweet. And then a second later I was like Oh Wait That Boy Is Broke As Hell. If he didn't knit her that scarf, she was probably going to get a gift-wrapped fork or empty Discalibur scabbard... |
So I've mentioned before that one of Inoue's great loves is a story about an artist that loses their talent. One of his others is tragically doomed romances. We got this with Yuka and Keitaro, we got it with Shinji and Miho, we got it in The First, Jetman, Kiva, even Shougeki Gouraigan. And here it is in Kabuto. I don't think it's a spoiler to say that we're reaching the climax of the Tsurugi is a Worm plot and however it ends, it's not going to be with expensive bracelets, handmade scarves, and tufu.
It's something that shades most of the episode for me. Tsurugi is back to being a full-on goof for Misaki and she's finally coming around on him, but there's this massive dark cloud hanging over everything that adds a lot of poignancy to the normal Tsurugi shenanigans. And yeah, the scene with Tendou and the Hoppers was perfection. |
Not really a comment on the episode, but I’ve just realised that both of Toei’s shows for that year had the last two parter of the year focus on a character introduced in the 17th episode of the series. I won’t tell you how Boukenger’s two-parter ended (not that you’d care), but I will say it doesn’t bode well for Tsurugi.
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Been busy so was falling out in the episode commentings.
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And, honestly, I don't know how much I'm supposed to read Another Tendou as her brother? It's weird! He is very suddenly devoted to this girl he literally just met! They don't have a shared history, and they don't technically have any genetic link, what with them being copies of copies or whatever. It is confusing! I don't feel like this is just me being dense! |
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I also love the Tsurugi/Misaki bit, so much, because they are at this point adorable. It doesn't fall into the Persistent Nice Guy trap because there was a very clear point made of Tsurugi looking at how he was interacting with Misaki and starting to treat her with respect. Though her utter lack pf patience here as he completely ignores what she keeps telling him to do should negate that but it's hilarious and cute, why, lol The entire episode is, yes, tonally so dissonant but it's just so much fun overall. |
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Despite being given that setup by Die, I don't begrudge the show for its current disinterest in Hiyori. Not that Die doesn't *totally* have my number there, but I mean, I kind of saw this coming. Besides, Inoue wrote that bit with her buying an orange back in 16, which might be my favorite moment in the series, so he's off the hook. Much like Tendou, I have to accept that not everything can be all about Hiyori all the time, so I guess I'll just have to talk about the world she lives in for a bit, yeah? First off, I think it's worth noting that, while plenty of people have gotten to do many great things with Tsurugi, the first and final major spotlight two-parters for Sasword are both written by Inoue and directed by Nagaishi. It's not the borderline co-ownership of Drake that Inoue and Tasaki had, since Tsurugi has been such a major part of the series, but still, I find the symmetry satisfying. Now of course, despite that, Nagaishi isn't a director I can easily launch into a ramble about (though this one does involve a ton of different locations...), and, as I pointed out back in his very first episode for the series, anything interesting I could say about an Inoue script is something Die can and will have said better already, so it's a tiny bit of a struggle to know what I want to write about here. Apologies in advance if this is another unfocused one. Broadly speaking, I remember this two-parter easily being the highlight of the back half or so of Kabuto for me. Naturally, I also don't remember too much about it beyond the broad strokes. Namely, that it's about Tsurugi, who I've established is one of my favorite characters in the show, and definitely my favorite in this episode, when Hiyori is barely around, and Drake has seemingly been pulled straight out of the crossover movie dimension for his little cameo, being nothing more than a suit and some grunts. (Although admittedly, I thought that was a cute, simple way to add to the scale of the episode's Worm plot.) Tsurugi is just too adorable – he really is. It's not going to take much effort at this point for the show to sell me on a plot all about him inexplicably managing to win Misaki over contrasted against the mounting tension of his true nature as a Worm coming to the forefront. Both of those things could be interesting plots on their own, so throw them together and it's like twice as good. Despite the apparent tonal problems Die mentioned, I think this is pretty much a perfect place to bring Tsurugi's subplot to a head, actually. It's climactic in its own way, letting him have what is essentially the absolute last chance to bring a resolution to his story that won't involve it getting buried in all the other climactic plot threads that are going to be happening soon. I am more than okay with the show taking the time out to do this as its own thing! Even the wacky comedy style of how a lot of this one plays out feels natural enough for the story being told, and I have to agree with Die and (assumedly) Inoue that this is just a way more interesting thread to follow than the Worm stuff? Like, I seriously keep forgetting that Tendou is technically in ZECT now, because the way they're run, it seems like joining the organization doesn't involve any real commitment whatsoever. He's only occasionally working directly with them, and, as proven by the Hyper Zecter's introduction, he can even attempt to steal company property and get let off with less than a slap on the wrist. ZECT used to be so serious about hunting down this radical unknown element, but now Kabuto is such pals with the boss, he lets him sit in his chair during important meetings. Perks of being best friends with his son, I suppose. I mean, I say all this as though ZECT is crazy for switching up their previous staunchly anti-Kabuto rhetoric, but while the whole point I'm trying to make here is that it's far too late for the series to start pretending we should take this organization and its doings seriously, I do have to give them credit for realizing that Tendou has been one of the least problematic Riders to work for them, despite a plot to destroy ZECT from within being his entire motive for signing up. It sounds bad, but then you take a look at their previous two golden boys, now chaining themselves up in the woods, broken shells of men in desperate need of professional help, and it's hard to argue they haven't made a smart decision. Besides, Tendou having a membership card for their weird club was all ZECT ever wanted in the first place. Who knows, maybe if he had been this cooperative back when TheBee first showed up to recruit him, Yaguruma and Kageyama would be doing way better right now! Either way, it's obviously worth mentioning that Gatack is the true underappreciated workhorse of ZECT's Riders, which is a smooth enough segue to mention how much I love Kagami's scenes in this one. He's not a huge part of it, but I really want to make sure I mention how much appreciation I've gained for Yuuki Satou's performance during this rewatch. This is a show that's absolutely filled to the brim with these wild, heightened characters, and I could say this about so many of the actors portraying them, but something about Satou's brief fits in this episode when he's getting worried about Tsurugi's secret coming out seriously impressed me with the utter conviction he gives to Kagami's trademark Very Big Feelings. It's a role that actively requires the willingness to be as uncool as possible very frequently, and he never shies away from that, which makes his more subdued moments and genuine heroic feats work all the better when they happen. Anyway, very fun episode – looking forward to seeing how well the conclusion holds up! |
KAMEN RIDER KABUTO - EPISODE 46
https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/.../kabuto46a.png Uh, no. No to this entire episode. No to a story that ends with Tendou honoring someone's request for suicide because they were too disgusted to live with themselves, with the complex truth of their existence. No to a story where Tsurugi wallows in self-pity and self-loathing, where the arc of it is He Hates Himself And Wants To Die And Then He Dies. No to a story that lets Tendou execute someone in front of a grieving friend, and playing it as some noble act, his unshakeable character and deep kindness. No to a story from the creator of Faiz, a show about self-acceptance, that is all about how sometimes who you are inside is terrible and needs to be destroyed. No to a story where Tsurugi wanders into this ocean, longing for death, as the tackiest images of Misaki smiling are layered over, making me laugh at Tsurugi's initial suicide attempt. No to a story where Kagami's explanation for why he never told anyone why Tsurugi was a Worm was that he hadn't gotten around to it yet, not that he felt something for a friend, or that he was afraid of what would happen to Tsurugi, or literally anything that spoke to their bond. No to a story that assumes that Tsurugi could be a sociopathically capable supervillain at the drop of a hat, despite dozens of episodes as evidence to the contrary. No to a story that thinks you can make Tsurugi a cold-blooded killer after spending a season making him the sweetest puppy of a Rider. No to a story that only acknowledges the depression of Hiyori through Tendou's internal monologue, because Hiyori never once appears in this episode. No to a story where Tsurugi's dastardly plan was to crush all of the Zecters in an industrial press, something that not only doesn't work, but obviously was never ever going to work because these things are from space. No to all of it, to every scene, to every line of dialogue, to every maudlin staging, to every reasonable Misaki reaction that is obliterated in the face of manly suffering and laughable motivations. No to this episode, forever. A QUESTION Obviously, this whole episode was a nightmare that Tsurugi was having after finding out he was a Worm, which is why it makes absolutely no sense, has an insulting theme, and is zero fun to experience. The real story is that he goes on that date with Misaki because he doesn't die. What other stories in Kamen Rider has your headcanon saved from heartbreaking awfulness? (Please don't post any answers from Den-O through Decade or Zi-O up!) https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/.../kabuto46b.png |
Oh... I was not expecting this episode to go this way. One of my earliest Kamen Rider memories is seeing the end of this episode as a youtube clip, and just feeling feels for it. Little did I know the surrounding episode was actually really bad and like not at all handled well. So I guess in the episode my mind constructed around it Tendou was fighting Tsuragi because the worm subsumed his personality, and like the group had tried to save him but couldn't, or something I don't know.
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Yeah, no one really makes a case to redeem/rescue Tsurugi. Tendou dismisses it out of hand, and then decides (with some help from Jiiya) that getting detonated due to depression is actually a totally noble thing that he should give Tsurugi as the worst Christmas present of all time. Misaki has her doubts, and then Tendou heroically ignores them and kills Tsurugi right in front of her. I definitely love remembering parts of this episode! |
Has-- has this actually dethroned God Speed Love for you??
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This episode aired on Christmas Eve. I also like this episode specifically because I don't really disagree with Die's assessment of it. It's a script that feels almost like a practical joke on any kid who asked Santa for a DX Sasword Zecter, you know? It's downright cruel, and I don't particularly feel like sticking up for the secret meaning and depth of what is, exactly as Die said, a story that "rewards" a beloved supporting character in the end by having the star of the show assist in his suicide. It's so tacky I won't ever forget it though. I've constantly mentioned how little I remember from this stretch of the series, but everything about this one has never left my brain and never will. That industrial setting where Kabuto and Sasword fight, the twist of Tsurugi's true plan, Tendou's merciless "mercy", that chair at the end – that stuff will stick with you for life! I can't say that's some great thing, but I must admit I respect the show for taking such an unexpected turn? Like, I'm sorry to say it, but I fell for this one hook, line, and sinker when I first watched it. It was a pretty emotional experience as a huge Sasword fan, and it left me with a lot to think about. Kabuto's final decision, especially, I mean, the way Takaiwa can just stand utterly motionless in that suit for a few moments of hesitation, it hits hard. I don't know if I think this episode is good or bad anymore. I've definitely seen plenty of other episodes of Kabuto that were great by now. Maybe someone else can give a better redemptive reading. But I do like this episode, that aired on Christmas Eve, that definitely left children in tears, and probably me too. It's a story I've never really seen Rider do outside of this, and even if there's a good reason for that, I find myself glad they took the risk doing it at least once. What's far more heartbreaking is seeing it go over so poorly with Die, though. |
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This is another of those rare Kabuto things that stuck with me since the first time I watched it, and what stuck with me is that I think it sucked too!
You already went into how heartless and unfortunate the whole sequence of events is. I remember distinctly thinking that if it just centered around like a victim-of-the-week or some character otherwise introduced really recently, it'd just be a worse (as in worse written) version of what happened to Imperer. But for this to be how Sasword's character concludes, after the show spends so much time dangling his nature as a worm over hour heads for so long, kinda stings especially bad. I don't believe any of the writers had any long-term plan for how Tsurugi's story would conclude (which is probably why a secondary writer was allowed to be the one to write his send-off), but surely there were more interesting ways for him to go out than just 'okay hes evil now, explode him'. There were MOTW on this show that had more interesting endings, after all. Also Misaki is just reduced to being 'person sad about Tsurugi" which is sadly expected, but she wasn't exactly the most crucial character up till now anyway, so... eh. |
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Also about your question, I don't think there's a specific example among the shows you've watched of a character dying, but there has and will be plenty of shows where I sadly spend all my time just headcanoning the ways it could have been ideal for me personally. Kamen Rider permanently changed the way my brain works, I'm sad to say! |
Man. I feel kinda bad only weighing in now when it's on something so negative, after I've had nothing else to say about the rest of the show, but...
As someone whose favourite Kabuto character is Tsurugi, this episode super super sucked for me when I watched it. And I am at least taking the silver lining here that there's no secret thing I'm missing here in my interpretation, and that people who like the show in general also think it sucks; and that the one person willing to defend this episode has his defence be that it sucks, but intentionally. It's not an episode I actually come back to a lot, I don't have a vendetta against it or anything (though, boy, what Fish says about that industrial location sticking out in your mind is really true), but it is one that really underpinned by dislike of Kabuto at the time. Not one I liked at all. |
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Tsurugi is faking his turn from the second he comes back out of the water. His plan from the start is to round up all the Worms in one place to be destroyed by the Riders. This includes his own destruction, of course. The thing with the press, especially, is meant to be bogus, which you can tell from Tendou's reaction to everything that goes down in that scene. He knows what's going on before he even gets there, and the whole reason he goes through with killing Tsurugi is to allow him to do exactly what he's been trying to since his debut – fulfill his wish to defeat all Worms. Or, uh, a whole bunch of 'em, at least... We'll see how that goes! Not that any of this changes how needlessly cruel the episode is, among other things, but still! Quote:
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A set-up like this, you'd think for sure the solution would be one of the heroes realising what the antagonist is doing, and thus saving them from their own attempted destruction. So I guess one can say this episode subverts expectations... |
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You know, when I was depressed and thinking I was the worse the last thing I think I would've wanted was for my friends to affirm that idea then blow me up with a rider kick.
So like as as a person who's lived through thinking their awful, and have no hope, can I say fuck this? is that allowed? |
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I genuinely cannot fathom how the writer who did an entire series about learning to love yourself despite the parts others dislike, who has a beat in every single series he wrote (and almost every episode for series he guest-wrote) about how you aren't ever just good or bad, you're you, and knowing that makes it easier to get through your day... I don't know how that guy wrote this one? Wrote something so accidentally cruel? So, yes: I'll allow it. |
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What I like here is also that Cassis Worm is used as a stepping stone to show the power of bonds and teamwork (I don't usually like heroes in numbers just ganging up on someone, but this one's making a clear point), which Kageyama clearly failed to get, with his selfish and prideful approach just end up ruining the fight and rightfully became his downfall, but the later 3 Riders implement this, because that Cassis Worm can't reflect multiple finishers, and apparently left him vulnerable to Maximum Hyper Cyclone. Quote:
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Other than that, Maximum Hyper Cyclone, I know that base Kabuto's Rider Kick is a favorite to many, but typically I find beam finishers to be flashier and looking more powerful like this one, but doesn't mean all (my favorite base finishers are something like Faiz' Crimson Smash and Drive's SpeeDrop which are kicks, and Drive also had a beam, which I liked too, on Tridoron mode where he shoots the NSX right to the opponent). Quote:
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This episode is a little different from Inoue's usual execution of his themes but the idea is still there. It's like how Takumi spared Kiba due to considering him a human, but also acknowledged that all Orphenochs, even the good ones, needed to die so humanity could live. This can be justified since Orphenochs already experienced death as humans before reviving as Originals or through mutagen injection. The life of an Orphenoch is a dilemma that never ends. Applying this concept to Kabuto, Tsurugi was killed by a Worm, before being "revived" as an echo in the mind of that Worm. So Tsurugi wanted to accept his death as a human to be free of the evil that was keeping him alive, a second life he never should've had. That's my take on it anyway. The part with him pretending to suddenly become a serious villain and making Cassis Worm look like a chump was a little unexpected though. This is in no way Inoue's best work but I'm kind of surprised that your least favorite episode of Kabuto and maybe KR in general was written by Inoue and not Yonemura, who wrote your least favorite arc of Hibiki. Maybe you should change your catchphrase to "Inoue Most Of The Time". :p Quote:
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Sorry I like respecting everyone's different interpretations on a piece of art and all, but I have absolutely no clue where you're getting the idea that the moral of 555 is genocide? Like, even on a literal level; it's hardly like the series ends with Takumi and Kaidou killing themselves if that's truly what they think! But I just genuinely do not know how you can watch 555 and come away with that |
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It's something Inoue tries and fails to bring up in this episode, where Misaki wonders what the difference even is between Worms and humanity. Tadokoro basically says he doesn't know, and that grey area is where Inoue usually operates with his sympathetic monsters. I'm not sure I'm onboard with a read where Tsurugi deserved to die? He was capable of heroism, of sacrifice, of humor, of grace, of friendship, of love. He wasn't some irredeemable monster who was only a shadow of memory. He didn't deserve to die. |
To be honest, I probably wasn’t paying much attention when I watched this episode. Either that, or I forgot about it with the next three episodes.
But I can say that I’ve taken the positivity towards a show with a re/blue duo based on beetles with the latest episode in my thread. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsqIqanW...jpg&name=large |
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Tsurugi didn't deserve to die when he was killed by a Worm. But as a Worm, Tsurugi still lived and died honorably, as himself. It's tragic but I think Tsurugi found what he was looking for at the end. But I can see that you really didn't like this episode so, to each their own, I guess. |
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