Are you guys really talking about realistic scenarios like why gravity still worked in a tv show about grown ups who were rainbow colored spandex to fight evil monsters and take orders from a giant floating head??

You keep saying that as if it means something. You do realize that if it wasn't for the work Saban did Disney would not have been able to do with the show what they did, right?

He can dislike a show and still appreciate it's impact.

Exactly. MMPR will always be a part of my childhood and hold a special place in my heart, I will forever appreciate it because without it I would have never had Time Force, RPM, Jungle Fury etc but that does not mean I think MMPR is a good show, no I think it's absolute garbage.

I never understood the attitude that we HAVE to like something just because it was the first to do it. The first is often the worst because it's still trying to make shit work, Saban clearly hadn't really worked it out until Lightspeed and even then that felt like a prototype for Time Force at times.

Worked what out exactly? I'm curious how you disliking the first 25 episodes of MMPR suddenly counts the following 6 seasons as garbage.

Just worked anything out, the mythos, characters, story, format etc etc

Where'd you get six seasons from? MMPR was only three?

MMPR through Lost Galaxy is 6 series (When counting MMPR S1-3 as 1 series), while your statement declared the first "Good" season was Lightspeed (S7).

Yes? But I never said the others were garbage? Just MMPR.

Fair enough.

Let's see... MMPR had three season, then Zeo, Turbo and finally In Space with Lost Galaxy acting as a follow up and sequel of sorts. That's seven seasons right there, which makes Lightspeed Rescue season eight... Just thought I'd point it out. :lol

Well either way Zeo put words in my mouth which were never there.

>"When counting MMPR S1-3 as 1 series"
>MMPR S1-3 (1)
>Alien Rangers (2)
>Zeo (3)
>Turbo (4)
>In Space (5)
>Lost Galaxy (6)
>Lightspeed (7)

Oh... Okay then. :lol

You gave off that impression, but I apologise.

Anyway I disagree. Zeo and In Space seemed to have all their details worked out pretty fine. Turbo wasn't awful in that regard either once they'd kicked the old team off.

I definitely think Zeo worked out a lot of MMPRs kinks but I didn't really feel it did much else, so it wasn't bad but it wasn't all that great either. In my opinion of course.

Space actually worked very well, footagewise, because Megaranger is almost like a space series in itself but it was more the fact that the acting still sucked by that point that let the show down.

Alien Rangers is still MMPR S3.

And Space is still the best because it had a threatening villain, a complex storyline between Andros, Darkonda, and Astronema, the rangers went to alien worlds, it brought back all of the villains from past seasons, and it was a conclusion for the entire series up to that point.

So, I'm finally done with Dragon Knight. Judging by the way people talk about it I would call it an EXTREMELY underrated series. It's very good and perhaps the best adaptation I've seen in terms of originality and new footage, but still not perfect.

The Good:
- Kit and Len grew really well as characters as the series progressed.
- Xaviax was a brilliant villain
- The way some cameo-level characters in Ryuki were suddenly catapulted to "main" character status. I'll undoubtedly be buying a Kamen Rider Femme Figuart, but it sure won't be for Miho.
- The fact Maya and Trent actually had purposes, even if Maya becoming Siren ended up being really pointless.
- The fact they brought all 13 Riders together for the end. Made me want a full set of figures more than any moment in Ryuki did.

The bad:
- 3 clip shows is way too much. The last episode is a clip show? No wonder your show got cancelled before it ended.
- The way the show suddenly shifts focus from Kit to Adam for the last few episodes. I just spent 34 episodes with Kit, I don't care about this other guy even if he looks exactly the same.
- Xaviax's destruction was a little...anticlimactic?
- Kamen Rider Onyx having NO proper explanation whatsoever. Seriously, this new deck is suddenly pulled out of thin air and no one even questions it or names it until the final episode.
- Too many of the "villain" Riders were the same sort of spineless lackies. Axe was really good when Spear was vented, but Strike, Incisor, Spear and Torque left a lot to be desired.

So yes, flawed but otherwise excellent show. I'll certainly join the campaign defending it from now on.

I don't consider it to be.
Different intro.
Different cast.
Different costumes.
Separate DVD release.
Separately listed title on Netflix.

It's as much a part of MMPR S3 as In Space is part of Turbo.

Beast is right, Mighty Morphin' Alien Rangers is considered to be a 10 episode miniseries bridging the gap between Season 3 and Zeo. Saban treated it as such and so did Fox when they aired it.

I still think that MMAR was done a "proof of concept" for Saban, demonstrating that they could change the name of the show, and the suits the heroes wore, and retain viewers. They had already done that with the meka, so this took it one step further.

Depends on where you look. The MMPR DVD boxset classes it as three seasons, while the Zeo - Lost Galaxy boxset has "season 4 to 7" which makes Alien Rangers part of season three.

That's how I've always taken it (plus it wasn't really treated all that separately when it aired in the UK), but I guess it swings either way.

Dude, this is the crowd that got into a scientific discussion about Wizard kicking Phoenix into the Sun. This is our jam.

So ZeoRanger, do you consider Ryuki better then Dragon Knight or not?

Yeah I do. Dragon Knight is really good, but at its core its a pretty basic good vs evil story. Ryuki is a lot more complex and that really shines in the storytelling.

Dragon Knight is definitely worth watching though, simply because it deals with all 13 Riders much better that Ryuki did.

There weren't all 13 riders in ryuki though, only 10. So that in itself is a bigger plothole then Onyx.

Not really. Its easy to just assume there were battles going on in Ryuki that weren't documented by the show itself and that Femme and Verde got killed offscreen or the battle ended simply without them (I don't remember if its ever explicitly stated by any character but Kanzaki that there should be 13 Riders running around in Ryuki, but either way it doesn't really matter).

Dragon Knight on the other hand says right at the start that there's 12 Riders, the Onyx deck randomly appears in a dream then about 10 episodes later its suddenly physical and nobody seems surprised there's a new deck. It's not even named until Maya's boring clip show narration. The Onyx deck isn't so much a plothole, it's just a really stupid thing that happens that could have been so easily explained.

Like I said before, I was really surprised when I learnt who the movie Riders were, considering how seamlessly they were added into the series. It's clear they must have shot a lot of new stuff with Dragon Knight since they both reduced the roles of some Ryuki players considerably and massively increased others.

Man, I feel like I should watch this series again, especially as I just dropped MMPR.

Well watching time force and why did ransik half mask changed to mat silver mask to then a chromed silver mask it really weird.

I'd be curious to know the ratio of American to Ryuki footage, because watching it and having seen Ryuki a few months ago it definitely felt like most of it was new.

You can usually tell when it's US footage because the quality of the film is higher but the quality of the choreography is lower :p

If you read interviews in the series, they really gutted Ryuki claiming they loved what worked but HATED what didn't, so I guess they had a lot of space to fill.

I'm on episode 6 of Dragon Knight and it seems they have twice as many fight scenes per episode then Ryuki. Most of the fghts so far have been random Ryuki monster fights in the same episodes as Rider fights.

Yeah. The early episodes stick closer to the Ryuki fight scenes but add a bit more in, but by about midway through the Rider focus becomes drastically different and there's a lot more new stuff.

This is what head writer Nathan Long said on the inception of the show,

And his feelings on Ryuki

And they did a magnificent job of it. Like I said before, while there may be Power Rangers series out there that I enjoyed more, if someone asked me for the best example of a well-adapted American toku this would probably be what I give them.

Well, this or RPM.

The worst was having the final episode be half of a clip show. THE FINAL EPISODE!!!!!

It wasn't even half, the epilogue was literally about 6 minutes :(

Question is: if we did continue Kamen rider in america, would it have gone over well from 555 to what ever series we adapt to now?

I think that the producers of Dragon Knight mentioned that they were interested in Kabuto not Faiz.

So nope, we wouldn't have got adaptations of all Rider shows that follow Ryuki.

Faiz... Saban did trademark Power Rider. You dont think maybe?

I guess, but most likely they would try to go for a more recent series.

Then again no news have surfaced about Power Rider in a long time, so anything (or nothing) can happen.

You know the one thing that makes me wonder why Ryuki was chosen? The number of Riders, it seems obvious, but hear me out. I'm fairly new to Super Sentai but of the Super Sentai I have seen, it's VERY action heavy and very drama light with a lot of the drama being squashed into the suit fighting, that isn't a criticism, it's just how I see it.

Kamen Rider on the other hand is much more of a drama...with superheroes in it, Kamen Rider has about one fight for about about four in Super Sentai (more if you count the mech battles as a separate thing) and as suit footage is all you can use, you may as well get your bang for your buck, so I'm assuming they'll want a show like say Fourze since he has loads of switches or a show like OOO with his thousands of forms to make up for how little footage they could use in relation to Super Sentai.

Of course this is all speculation and has no bearing on real life.

No, you're right on the money for why Ryuki was chosen, and why Kabuto was rumored for the next series.
A large number of riders means a large number of toys to market.