I'm keeping my expectations low. But if he does comeback, they should also bring back Onodera's actor to play Another Kuuga. That'll be hilarious

I think "Evil" is just a generic reading for past evil Riders (or a new evil Rider too). Note that only secondary Riders from Ex-Aid and Build (and Diend) are otherwise listed by the driver's screen.

Future just sounds like a placeholder for possible new Riders or forms, there are better ones for an ultimate form though like "Singular", "MAX" and "Millennium".

I think "Evil" is the reading for Oma Zi-O

You're probably right about "Future" being a placeholder. "Millenium" shows the year 2000 (Sougo's birth year), and I remember reading a plot summary which says Sougo is called "Millenium Children". So I guess it's highly possible this is a power up. I'm not sure if it's the Final Form since all past Riders' Final Forms have the word "Fin" follow them, but "Millenium" is followed by "2000"

Think there’s a way to change Sougo’s fate as the demon king and have him follow the path of the hero?

The final forms of the past Riders likely won't be treated the same as Zi-O's own final form though.

Regarding Oma Zi-O, he has his own belt (although right now it has no visible slots for Rider Watches), and his default form apparently reads 2018 for the year. So, it's not "Evil", since that has no year reading (it'd be just the name "Evil" there rather than 2018 if it were using the "Evil" reading).

http://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/zi-o/rider/zi-o/oma_zi-o/

It could be something like Evol's, White Mage's or Gold Drive's belt, where it's a version of Zi-O's belt that reads the items in a different way (in this case, this different jingles and some text, since they can't change the sounds of the Watches), but right now there's the oddity that Oma Zi-O's belt doesn't seem to have Watch slots.

I just read on a Vietnamese fanpage that Hiro Mizushima posted on Instargram that "he's filming something". But that page didn't show the post's image or link. Can anyone check his Instargram and verify this information? My Japanese is bad so I can't do it

If you mean the recent few pictures he has, those are taken at New Zealand. Nothing about Zi-O from the looks of it.

finally, power rider stag beetle's debut

Waitaminute did Saban ditch rangers for ride...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og5mNf3IqLQ


:lolol :lolol:lolol:lolol:lolol

Was there any confirmation that Zi-O would be ending early like Decade, or will be go for a full year per usual? If it follows the current pattern we'd have thirty-eight episodes of two-parters with past Riders, and then the final arc of at least ten episodes.

From rumors I've seen, this is the route they're going. 38 tribute eps and about 10 eps for the final arc. However I think this will change depends on which actor they manage to get back and more importantly ratings and toy sales

That's essentially the plan, though not all 19 will need two-parters and once the show starts picking up steam, it has more room to move story-wise. First quarter is essentially the "getting to know you" phase, with then quarter 2 as the "okay we know you, so kick more ass", with quarter 3 as the climax twist, and quarter 4 the finale. Slider to adjust based on episode lengths and scheduling needs. But thanks to the push of decade/W, they have an extra year to play with to lead into the 50th. So there's no time crunch unlike Decade to W. They have a buffer room now to play with on that. So there's no need to have Zi-O with a lower episode count.

Decade to W was different because it was celebrating 10 years of Heisei and then also the Rider 40th in 2011.

Zi-O is celebrating 20th series, end of an era, and then there's still time to set up the 2021 series for the 50th. So we should likely expect these to be considered the "anniversary years" of series. 20th heisei, then 50th on the overall count(next series), then 50 years(2021). So it's that 2020-2021 series that's the question on shortened or not. Since they'd likely want the 50th series to kick start there or some other major acknowledgement of it as the overall 50th of the franchise.

After the Den-O episodes, we should start getting some more randomness mixed into Zi-O though to change the pattern up. So Quarter 2 may contain a Climax twist, as well as Quarter 3. With Quarter 4 going right for the throat. And we also still have the movies and HBVs.

So basically:
Likely the first quarter is going to have a lot of two parters. Q2 will pick up steam in other ways with an included subversion twist, Q3 the additional subversion twist, and Q4 the finale stretch. But Den-O's episodes should shake up the concept some randomly too.

There was an interview where a staff member talked about how they could do 38 episodes for the past Riders and then 10 for the final battle. After saying that though, he says that keeping the same format all the way through would be a mistake and things will get more complicated, but, either way, the point is that they seem to have an entire year.

Merchandising-wise, all main Heisei Rider Watches are coming out in Q1 (and all Heisei Riders will be appearing in the winter movie, although many probably will be suit cameos), so I wonder how the show's format will change afterwards and how they'll feature past Heisei Riders in the tv series after that point.

Sougo - Zi-O from the present and Geiz from the future. What do you think if we had a third rider who comes from the past?

He can use the Showa riders’ powers.

The concept sounds fine, but how would they get a Jiku Driver then?

Beats me.

I mean there are antique watches, sundials and hourglasses.

Pls it’s not like the Time Jackers can pull someone from the past to work with them against Zi-O and Geiz. Can they?

Given the Showa sounds were found in the belt, I would be very surprised if that wasn't the next big part of the line since we've got all the Heisei watches right now (aside from of course Decade).

https://twitter.com/S_kyohei0211/sta...96364088619008

I don't see well. Is it Geiz Genm Armor VS Super Tatoba ?

Looks more like an Another OOOs to me, cool to see though!

oh yeah makes more sense that way
EDIT : and it's taken down. Damn. That was fast

Anybody have a mirror of the tweet. Post isn't there anymore.

found it again on FB : https://www.facebook.com/groups/4581...35555/?__xts__

Thank you so much.

So it definitely looks like another OOO. Couldn't make out that it's genm armor but there were gashats on those shoulders.

Definitely Another OOO. The gashats on Geiz's shoulders looked purple to me, so it very well have been Genm.

So what’s the Agito monster going to be called? Another Another Agito?

According to the wiki the producers aren't even sure what they're gonna do for the Agito's Another Rider.

http://kamenrider.wikia.com/wiki/Cat...Another_Riders

Inb4 they just have the characters call it "The other Agito" when the tribute episode finally happens.

Although they could also spin it into a episode about Another Agito getting framed for The Another Agito's rampage.

Based on the 1.5, we're definitely getting another Rider later for the "Counting moons" of a lunar calendar. Which makes sense since she'd be the bridge gap between Zi-O and Geiz/Gates.

And loving how Geiz's name essentially is a word play between king and Gates. How it references Bill Gates, but also how he's the gateway trying to block Zi-O and more.

Really loving how much deep thought and randomness went into this show.

Toei did an amazing job.

And yay we are getting a fem rider later! And a Moon based one at that!

Looking forward to the Q2 scans and Q3.

Wonder what the movie exclusive stuff will be. Pretty sure the third rider is definitely a series thing, which means the movie exclusive stuff will have to get their own change device. maybe wrist mounted to go with the motif of "watches". Don't think they'd have armor rides then. If their device is simplified like the Kabuto wrist mounts, it may not have room for armor rides.

And that still leaves options open for whatever the later power up form is too that starts to further diverge from Oma Zi-O.

Another Another Agito. Slapstick word play is the order of the day. And that one's triple A.

So it's "Another Another Agito."
"Another Another?"
"Yes, another Another. Not your Another, the other another."
"An other problem."
"Another headache."

Though really, unless the episode has Another Agito, or is an episode that has an "another another Agito" it's simply Another Agito 2. Or "Another Agito(Zi-O monster)". Possibly "Another Squared".

But I doubt they'd pass up another chance for a "who's on first" style slapstick routine. And they likely would have the original Another Agito as an in story confusion part to change up the formula some for a unique take on the dynamic to mix it up and keep things from getting stale.

The exact quote says "they haven't gotten to that yet" which only means they haven't written that episode set yet at the time he was asked. Nothing more, nothing less. So it's a "watch and find out" response. The 1.5 basically shows that randomness and word plays are intentional for additional elements. Granted the 1.5 was 3/4ths pitch notes and some history of the word "king".

Doesn't mean they are unsure or don't know what to do, only that it wasn't written yet at the time it was asked. That's likely a Q2 thing.

Not that it matters really, based on episode 2, we know the Another Rider replaces the rider. So "Another Agito" would become Agito. While Another Agito would stil be Another Agito. That interview seems like it was before Ep2 aired, so they also wouldn't want to spoil story stuff.

What makes you so sure we're getting a female rider? Aside from the belt hack stating "TSUKUYOMI"?
I'm all for a female Rider, yet part of me thinks they could go the Kanon route and make a Ridewatch from Tsukuyomi's "power/life-force".

Geiz is his name. Not his power. So that one would be her name. Not powered by.

Secondaries are their own names. Primary is the Time King name. So it'd be a different name if it wasn't her.
And they aren't killing Tsukuyomi off either. Doing that is off limits this go round. She's a pivotal point of the story. Since she's from the beginning, it also makes sense in connotations of watches, "The holy trinity" of watches. Which would be the zero hour 3, or the main show triumvirate from the beginning. Geiz, her, and Zi-O. So that means it's her. Plus they wouldn't alienate half their audience by removing her, or passing over her for the belt. That'd be instant backlash of literally a male taking her slot and taking it away from her. Literally the definition of the sexism that various industries are accused of. Which they wouldn't do twice... Considering at one time the pitch notes were discussing a female lead rider, but it got pushed back a year or 2 because of the anniversary stuff. So it's a chance to use her to prep for that transition coming up and let her pave the way for the next go at it, as well as let her become a more prominent Rider like Tackle was, but this time, the one that lived. Then there's the added aspect that "moon girls" aren't allowed to be offed period in Toei Sentai/Rider stuff. And that "moon girls" get to be riders. So they won't "fridge" her. But they might "fridge" the uncle. Considering the basis for a lot of Zi-O material and its source, I'd also assume her survival is one of the main points that causes the timeline diverge from Oma Zi-O.

Plus they wouldn't have used that actress in particular unless they were going to make her a rider. It was one of the ways they sweet talked her into the role. Then when you also factor in the Heisei riders, they do need to cover that there has been fem Heisei riders. So they'd need the third one of the main trio to be a fem rider to acknowledge that. You can't actively celebrate the heisei era and deliberately ignore that there have been fem riders. Then it's still sexist by ignoring those exist and mattered. It'd be the quickest way to push this to areas of disdain to not. Even Decade added in Kivara. Makes sense as well since the actress that played Tackle would be turning 80 this October.
So they might time it for around that if they can. Since she paved the way for all Fem Riders that came after, it is likely time to celebrate her and officially induct her as a rider without any way for fans to refuse it or confuse it. Her 80th falls on a Sunday this year. Ending that debate once and for all. And they wouldn't do 'fem specific' powers either, they'd want a fem rider that has all the main show riders abilities too like Geiz and Zi-O. Help prep audiences for a future fem rider lead.

So lots of reasons why I say that. Besides other unspoken reasons.
So yeah, it's her. And she survives the series too. And get used to Fem riders, you're going to be seeing more in coming years.

Wait, what?
I'm confused. Who are you talking to?

The Ziku Driver hacks clearly state "Tsukuyomi" as one of the names within the belt.
Along with Evil, Singular, Nothing, Millenium, Ancient and Game.

And, AFAIK, Tsukuyomi is the only one with a new-ish standby sound.

So I think that "Tsukuyomi" is a Rider. But I'm iffy on whether or not Tsukuyomi will be a Rider.
Which is what I was asking you about- why you think so.

It looks like opinions being presented as facts, by my guess.

Yeah, that entire post was basically "This is why I THINK Tsukuyomi will be a Female Rider".

Honestly the only thing pointing towards her being a Rider is that her pins are after the 22 other Zi-O/Geiz pins, which IIRC means it's been planned since the beginning. If it was after like pin 100 I'd argue it's more likely to be future/movie villian.

Like I've said before, Woz gets his books from a library. *Points at screen name.*

But in this instance it's too obvious to not point out. Secondaries are their actual names. Plain as day as we see with Geiz and how the 1.5 was so explicit about the meanings in names and how her name means counting moons/a lunar calendar/a form of telling time. Which is consistent with the lead riders naming motifs. It takes some pretty heavy mental gymnastics to ignore that naming fact about secondaries with how they've blatantly spelled it out to audiences. Spelled it out literally on the belt too. The hacked belt itself marks that 3rd rider's year as 2068 which is also the same as Geiz, which points to it being her.

And it's fact that they have been discussing female leads for a series. Not "should they" but "when". Which is soon-ish. Give or take less than 5 years. Reactions to Zi-O's rumored to have been and other little 'pitch' leaks sped that up to sooner though.

Btw, glad you liked Akiba. ;)

I have a feeling there is a possibility they will differentiate by labeling the kaijin Agito for this show as "Another Agito(Zi-O)". And they have Kino/Another Agito appear because time warp and say his infamous line "One Agito is enough." :lolol
Jokes aside the show creators should have used a thesaurus to not get involved in this mess in the first place.

"I suppose two Agito's are enough, three's too much though. Get this dude outta here."

I think the naming mess was intentional. As episode 2 shows with how Zi-O replaces the riders. Honestly seems like "Another" was picked deliberately because of Agito in that way. (And the thesaurus didn't have much usable either. >.> )

Incorrect. Shirakura's stated in an interview that they acknowledge the problem, and are unsure what they'll do when they get to Agito's tribute arc, as they haven't thought about it yet.

Yeah, personally I think they should just enjoy the situation they are in and give us a nice, funny, somewhat-meta two-parter of the mishaps and shenanigans that follow this mess. :lolol

I can guarantee you that "another" came up before the first script was even written, and that agito was deliberately pointed out. You can call it incorrect all you want, that doesn't make it not true that it was deliberately picked out already knowing about Another Agito. I can tell you that for fact outright that it came up in the initial pitch.

2.5 seems to explain it as does episode 2 overall. So I still side with, "they hadn't written it yet" so couldn't answer that.

Episode 2 and 2.5's 3 rules do seem to explain it.

Especially rule 3. So like I said, I lean on some things depending on when asked that, couldn't be answered because it was still being written, and to fully explain it would mean major spoilers for episodes that had yet to air.


This really isn't that uncommon in creative circles. Sometimes a response you're being told isn't entirely true, but it's as true as they can say at that time to avoid spoilers, or because not everything has been put to the page outside of a basic outline.


Like I can guarantee you there were 'show notes' about Agito and Another Agito, but it wasn't fully decided how to use them or what to cut. But nothing full depth, as that was likely an open show notes area for them to do material they were more familiar with. As well as have maybe not fully known what actors are going to be available for it either, which determines a lot too.


Another example of this is Family Guy. Seth can literally tell you what skits will make it into a season or at some point in some season. It's all on the white board so to speak. But how those transitions work, or where is another matter. Those episodes haven't been written yet, and some material could get pushed back, pushed forward, pushed to a different season etc. But the notes of certain things are still there but not fully fleshed out on how to use until it comes to using them.


Same is true for various shows and comics and many creative works, even movie serials. The main prelim event outline is there as well as show notes, and various story beats and promo interview script stuff for hype reasons. The glancing story beats, and other bits. How to implement them isn't written until it's time to write where they may be used. Then different things can get pushed back, altered, or tweaked. The process of how a serial is written is usually done in that way. It's not adlibbed or impromptu per episode(well not fully, some stuff gets noticed that then has to go back and fix, like in this case Evolto since now Build the show ceased to exist). Some spoiler stuff can't be said, some stuff can but then it involves explaining something else that is a spoiler, or it tips the hand too much about future plans.

Like for example, answering that Agito question would have spoiled episode 2 and the 2.5 which indirectly answers the Agito question.

But I do agree with Sunred on this, and they will throw in some meta stuff. That was the intent from the get go as we're seeing with the .5 episodes and their literal reading from scripts, which is meta in itself about creatives also having to read from scripts when dealing with certain things and interviews.

That's part of the problem to interviews in general. An author of a novel can't exactly tell you what happens in chapter 17 of a book to a character and then how the book ends. Then what's the point of reading the book and the journey through it. In that same way, tv shows that are more fluid in filming schedules, have to use vague answers like "have yet to get to that" or "watch and find out" or similar remarks. Because unlike a book that's published, it's still in the process of being made with a plan, but a plan that's subject to fluctuate based on needs or if new material might be handed down from the top or the financers.

Like for example. I can tell you flat out the show will only focus on the 19 heisei, while that's technically true, it's not entirely accurate. Movies are likely to be known to cover showa too(which isn't show, I did say show will be heisei not movie), and spoiler warning: after den-o the show will start to have showa too. But if asked about that, the response is going to be 'we haven't gotten to that' / 'haven't written that yet.'

But the show outline/show notes itself does say "After Den-O then showa riders can be added." Can't get any deeper into spoilers than that.


So when interviews are going on, take what they say at face value, but also know they are only saying what they are allowed to say. What's been checked off as okay on their own scripts handed down by those above them to use. Some stuff they're not allowed to say. Either for spoilers, to push hype/discussions, or otherwise.

Like we're seeing from things in show itself, what's in the book is allegedly gospel, but elements can go off script too. Not everything we're told from creative areas is gospel to the show until it's in the show itself. And before then, it's all a matter of normal promo song and dance and hype building. You don't hear full accurate material about the process until a show is over. So in Agito's case, literally that episode hadn't been written yet.

For example "Build". If someone had told you after ep1 who was an alien, the world would be destroyed, and the last minute forms we got of riders who hadn't even appeared yet, you'd call them nuts and ignore them. But then it happens. Now Zi-O in particular doesn't have as strict of an outline as build had though either. But there are certain rules in place about it and certain overall brand goals. But this is the nature of the creative industries in general, especially when dealing with franchises.


Like I've said before, Woz gets his books from a library.. Now granted, they are pretty overdue books though. So some stuff is still not something anyone can expect because it hasn't fully been written yet. Like Sougo said in the ep itself. Which is kind of meta as well as one of those heartwarming things, but still. The show is a blank book itself still being written, even though they do have cliffnotes to help and a base outline. Same as the belt itself had to have sounds put in ahead of time to cover the full year and movies. More is in that outline than they want to tell you yet. But discussion to keep buzz going is a normal hype move. And that's what Agito is. A fan hype move, as well as waiting to see what's all available to use on casting.


I swear some of the late fees on those books could outright pay for Sentai and rider seasons themselves though... It's a veritable Thief's ransom. Or King's ransom. Depending on how you look at it, or from the angle of which show. xD