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I put most of the figures in storage ages ago, but I have some of the Riders with bikes still out. The Kaixa is still one of my favorite action figures in my entire toy collection. |
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Belatedly - sometimes I don't have much to say either, other than "Oh yeah I liked this" and I, too, would just read these as blog-style posts without the discussion. The discussion is also great. There is no bad here. But since this is basically the end of the thread, seeing your Blade commentary has honestly been a really positive part of my day for the better part of the last two months, so thank you for sharing how you see each episode of these shows. :) (I should say that more often.)
tho now i am wondering a little bit how many of the positive feelings i have for blade are colored by the spectacular ending XD which, hey, i still enjoy revisiting it periodically, so i'm not going to worry about it |
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The ending of Blade is 100% so good that it's easy to forget some of the lackluster ways it got there. One of the downsides of how focused the ending is on Hajime and Kenzaki is that... like, there's a lot of the show that ends up being not a big part of the finale. It's not like there's a lot of dead weight in the season or anything, but there are more than a few threads that have zero impact at the end. But that ending! Real easy to forget about the stuff that didn't matter so much. |
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One of his lucid moments has Mutsuki tell Tachibana he is afraid that the Spider Undead will completely destroy his self and obtain absolute control of his body and mind, which is eventually prevented by Shima's sacrifice, which takes effect after Tiger's sacrifice. |
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Mutsuki's story is one of addiction, and the easiest lie an addict tells is that it wasn't really them who did those things, it was their addiction. Part of recovery is taking responsibility for both the things you did while under the influence, and the reasons you were under the influence to begin with. If it were as simple as Nothing I Did Under The Influence Was My Fault, recovery would look very very different. |
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Also, man, Amane isn't that bad! She has a whole bunch of people in the cast that care about her! She's just a little bit of a brat! |
One more thing (unless I get bored) I'm genuinely surprised we didn't get into a debate about whether the secondary rider is Garren or Chalice. Tbf TOEI confirmed it's Garren but I and many others thought for the longest time it was Chalice(TBF the first half probably intended it to be Garren but the guy who wrote the second half wanted to put more emphasis on Hajime) Hibiki does NOT have this debate and makes it clear who it's secondary rider is supposed to be, in fact really other than maybe Ex-Aid I can't really think of any other Rider series that has multiple riders where it's not clear who the secondary rider is and even then Hirro's plot gets more emphasis than Taiga's does as does how different Hirro and Emu are
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The secondary rider is Leangle because he’s the Q2 belt
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If people restart the "debate" I'm going to buy a Garren Rouzer and shoot myself with it.
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I really wonder if this show would've been viable with the exact same cast and setup, but just shifting the focus more fully to Hajime. Would it've just felt too much like Faiz? |
I think it’s very funny that Blade is the only season that has any real debate over who the secondary rider is because it just continues the streak of Tachibana being the most pathetic man on the planet. Dude can’t even get people to trust that he’s the secondary hero!
Jokes aside, “Chalice is the secondary” is very much “Tajador is the final form”. In a pure literal sense of marketing and Toei’s definitions and a bunch of other media mentions and cameos, yes, obviously Garren and Putotyra wear these roles. But spiritually, emotionally; in terms of what strikes a chord with people especially in the context of the final episode, what it means to the characters, and how we think of these terms beyond just the hard boxes we place things in? Tajador is Eiji’s greatest power of his own that represents everything good about him and the relationships he’s forged over the course of the series, and Hajime is the second main protagonist of Blade whom the story is about. |
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Anyhow, the blasted hard term of 'secondary rider' didn't even exist until a certain someone named Kamen Rider Diend came along and then made everyone retroactively put so much more stock into it. It gets even worse and stupider when each person doesn't even realise that they define secondary completely different from each other (whether it's second most important character, secondary to the 'main' story, or literally second to show appear), somehow not realising that's not consistent even in Toei's own 'official' designations. |
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Fifteen years of Toei and Bandai: The secondary Rider of Kamen Rider Blade is Kamen Rider Garren.
Fifteen years of the fandom: https://media.giphy.com/media/8vyZou...A7Lp/giphy.gif |
not me being bitter that para-dx isn't considered by anyone to be more important than brave and snipe even though he's only ever either our main character's mirror foil or best partner and their teaming up is (at least meant to be) the biggest emotional climax in the whole series : (
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Wonder how much a Garren Rouzer is gonna cost me on Manda these days... And the shipping too...
Anyway, here's Akiba's totally legit and Toei-sanctioned list of Secondary Riders! 1: Kuuga with a gun. 2: Gills. You may say "What about G3", to which I respond that he has a 3 in his name, so he can't be secondary. 3: Scissors 4: Faiz, but like, not Takumi Faiz. One of the other Faiz. 5: Blade because he's the second Rider to be on screen. 6: Post Episode 30 Hibiki. 7: PunchHopper 8: Den-O Rod Form 9: IXA, but only in the 2008 timeline. In 1986, he gets to be the primary. 10: Diend 11: The right half of W 12: Gotou 13: Meteor 14: Magical Girl Beast 15: Zangetsu 16: Mashin Chaser 17: Spectre, except when his actor isn't there that week and Necrom gets to be Secondary. 18: Genm. He even looks like the Player 2 icon you'd let your little sibling play as! 19: It can't be Banjou, because he gets to be Build for like five minutes at one point, so I guess it's Utsumi since he appears next. Mad Rogue stans rise up. 20: Zi-O II. It has 2 in the title, so it must be true. 21: Same logic with 02. 22: I haven't seen Saber yet, so who knows? |
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Anyway, the Parado thing... I think the problem is that we don't really have an accepted term for what characters like Parado from Ex-Aid, Yuuji from Faiz, and Chalice from Blade really bring to the narrative, so we try and shoehorn them into pre-existing nomenclature. Like, Parado isn't a sidekick, like a normal secondary, he's a soulmate. Same thing with Hajime/Kenzaki and Yuuji/Takumi. They have a bond that transcends teamwork and heroism. A secondary can be a soulmate (Sento/Banjou), but a soulmate doesn't have to be a secondary, and a secondary doesn't have to be a soulmate. |
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Personally, I find that the whole debate about who is or isn't the secondary Rider exposes how ultimately pointless such distinctions are. Kamen Rider is a show telling a story, and storytelling is an art form (Even if said show exists primarily to sell toys). And art isn't something where you can just slot everything into clean, obvious formulas. Saying "this character = this role" and "that character = that role" does nothing but diminish the work as a whole by treating it like a problem to be solved, instead of as a work where characters and the purpose they fill in the narrative is often murky and shifting around based on how the story develops.
The term "secondary Rider" is thrown around constantly, but what does it even mean? Riders like Kaixa, Baron, Cross-Z, and Geiz are all considered secondary Riders, but they are vastly different characters. Kaixa is a straight-up villain, Baron regularly walks a very fine line between uneasy ally and antagonist, Cross-Z is a trusted friend and ally, Geiz is a cautious ally with major reservations about his relationship with the main Rider. Technically speaking these guys are all the secondary Rider, but the roles they fill in their respective seasons are so massively different, what's the point of trying to shove them all in the same "secondary Rider" box? It just doesn't mean anything. It just seems pointless to me to try to shoehorn characters into these predetermined, meaningless categories. I would much prefer to critically engage with characters in terms of how their roles and characterizations fit their respective shows than try to figure out who best fits into some arbitrary franchise term that has no relevance to the narrative itself. |
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The thing is... I get why a segment of the fandom obsesses over trivial things like this. The second you construct a fictional space for stories to exist, there's going to be people who care about the rules. When you have decades of stories existing in (more or less) the same fictional space, that emphasis on Definitive Answers becomes more and more pronounced. It's... it's like the flipside to the kind of engagement that keeps us all caring about these characters and stories. It's just what some people find valuable about stories and fiction. Do I? No. But I get that they do. |
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Sento does his pizzas half and half, somewhat to fit his aesthetic, but also because Banjou is always asking for half of it and Banjou has far too much protein on his half, so better to keep all the meat to one side. Kenzaki has margherita and he likes it that way. |
The instant I started typing that analogy, I just had this flash of Oh Akiba's Got Thoughts On This.
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"Who is the secondary Rider of Blade" is one of those discussions that's interesting at first, but I've been in this fandom long enough to know it just ends up going round and round in circles, and poor Leangle is once again left out of it all.
Leangle eats pizza with black food dye in, btw, for that extra bit of edginess. |
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It's like, if we can't send a Blade thread off with dumb jokes and memes, why did we even have a Blade thread?
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I said Leangle! As the first post!!
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- Nozomi - That spider that lives in his head - That tiger that lives in his head - Tachibana, maybe Shinji keeps trying to order pizza but Ren won't let him eat it. |
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