No, W just wasn't my first rider series so I'm not in that category of people who cling to it for that reason. And I thought it was pretty average on the spectrum of rider shows so I'm not one of the people on the other side who fauns over it as a masterpiece. I thought it was generally a good show with a little flare that gets way over exaggerated and exalted by most fans. That's just my 2 cents.

So you're saying that the only reason someone can like double is because they "cling" to it because it was their first?

Wow. First I apparently "assume I know every episode" because I didn't like the first ten or so episodes of Kabuto, now apparently the only reason I like W is because I cling to it as my first series.

I was pretty excited when I got into Kamen Rider. I thought W was aweosme and wanted to expand my horizon. Kabuto was a let down but that hasn't stopped me from keeping an open mind. What is making the Kamen Rider experience difficult is the accociated fandom. It seems if I don't like or like the wrong stuff, I get belittled for it. I've actually been rewatching double kind of with a friend who recently discovered it, and it's still good. The characters are all fun to watch, it has a genuinely engaging premise and overarching story, and the arcs are all pretty interesting and feel relevant.

Well no not really. Please understand that I'm not trying to be insulting. I know that for a lot of people it was their first rider series and it was a great experience. It had an original concept and was fun for a lot of people. It was at least my 4th series at the time so I just didn't get hit with any sort of wow factor from it. Most fans I see of W got into Kamen Riders because of W but that just wasn't the case for me. I liked the show just fine but it didn't blow me away and it wasn't a first experience or even a memorable one for me. And you did call me a crazy person just because I said it was average.

I was joking with the crazy person thing. I'm not so irrational to actually mean something like that. I was just funning around since everyone else was. It was the "cling" thing that got me. When I think "clinging" I think people who latch onto things for unjustified or, to be blunt, stupid reasons. I don't cling to W. I genuinely liked it for what it was. It was fun to watch. I watch these other Kamen Rider shows and even ones I don't dislike, like Den-O, don't seem to have that same grabbing quality. Agito is interesting, but I wouldn't call it fun. (it has intrigue as it's best quality so far)

Well my apologies for that bit :D

Coming from someone that saw Double as his 3rd (Technically 2nd, since I hadn't finished Kabuto at the time), you're really giving it too little credit.

Your argument seems to be based on "If you had seen any rider series before it, you'd realize it wasn't that good." When I can say that it really is that good.

I'm not going to list off reasons why, since swaying an opinion that's set in stone is really fruitless, I'm just going to say that your argument has no real bearing. You just didn't like it as much as anyone else. It's not because they watched it earlier or later, as their first series or their 5th. It's just because you didn't enjoy it.

^Exactly. I'm not saying you can't like it. Like, I don't have a problem with that at all. (and if I did what would I do about it, really?) I just don't like the idea that one can only enjoy it for superficial reasons.

I wasn't trying to imply superficial reasons determine EVERY persons experience with that show. But if you polled most W fans, on average it was either their first Rider series or one of their first riders/tokus. No matter what show you watch there's a certain degree of magic and attachment involved with the first show you foray into. Decade was that way for me, I just don't voice the opinion that I like it regularly seeing as you'd counter me :p

W had a few interesting characters that I enjoyed. Mainly Soukichi, Terui, Kirihiko, Jin, and Makuura. It had a main rider with a neat design and interesting gimmick, Shotaro & Phillip were interesting but not incredibly deep characters. And the plot seemed to suffer a bit from the whole Foundation X is the true enemy at the end thing. But I prefer Utopia in design and powers to all the Sonozaki family dopants (aside from Kirihiko/Nasca).

HOW DARE YOU LIKE DECADE!?
After all, I can't stop you from liking what you like :p (What I call into question and attack is when people declare it as "Good.")

I feel like watching Decade now that I'm expecting the worst.

I kind feel bad for the little pink guy.