Aaaand... there went my post.

Atsushi Shiramata had no signs of quitting the show on his blog still, so this might be a translation error.

Well if this really happens tonight I will cry myself to sleep :lol

If true, well, I called it. Again ;)

Hase has not done enough to prompt such melodrama.

I honestly don't understand the attachment to the character but I enjoyed seeing his downfall. He just doesn't feel significant in the same way that the main 4 do.

EDIT: According to the regulars of 2chan this is indeed true.

Agreed. Honestly I've only ever really viewed him as a plot gateway to bigger things.

I've always thought of Hase as death-fodder for the show.

I still say Kouta and Kaito are going to get attachments for their drivers,one that lets them use energy seeds with locks seeds at the same time on their belt.It would explain a few things.

1.The attachment that comes with the Genesis driver toy for the Sengoku belt
2.When you use an energy lock seed on the attachment on the Sengoku driver,it delays it and unlocks a special sound cue
3.The energy lock seed that was reported on the site earlier has a port on its right side,the same side that would hang off the edge of the attachment.There's also a rumor the other flap on the lock unlocks with a "key".Maybe the new lock works like Beast's belt.

It would also explain the spoilers saying they'll get a more powerful belt.Seeing as how they won't use the Genesis driver,using 2 seeds on the Sengoku would make it more powerful.

welp.

I know who Sigurd is ;)

And BTW, I called all the shit that goes down in 14. Just watched the livestream.

Split Lip, share in the joy of vindication my brotha.

I'm still trying to grasp the fact that it's only been 14 episodes. It feels like a lot more. I wonder if the show will keep this pace up or will level out and than rocket again during the ending arc.

With the last to episodes, Urobuchi just took my poor heart and crushed it into pieces. Damn you, Urobutcher! My tears! Give them back!

I'm glad we can agree on something.

I like Gaim, I genuinely do, but I kinda wish it wasn't as good as it is as it just provides steam to the hype train and the hype train is frankly ridiculous.

"I can't think straight knowing Hase is going die, I'm not gonna sleep tonight, the unspeakable has happened!"

Yeah, really? Name five things he's done that are both of value, add to his characterisation and have an emotional impact on the audience. Yeah, they gotta do all three, as I could easily say those about pretty much every other Rider but Hase? Oh yeah, that's right, you can't.

He has no characterisation and to this point has been a total joke. If he dies, so what? It's a cheap ploy to make things seem more than they are. The fact that audiences just let this wash over them is the reason stuff goes down the pan.

Well, just because you don't like him, it doesn't mean he had no characterization, because that was pretty much what the last few episodes were about.
And there is a hell lot of people who did like him, so why not let us be sad if a character we liked just gets murdered by that idiot Sigurd with Kouta suffering in the background?

I don't dislike him, I can't dislike a character I don't know. I'm just getting really bored with the melodrama around this series. It's like the anti-Wizard.

With Wizard everyone just hated EVERYTHING and to such extents that were never really necessary. Wizard was no masterpiece but the flaming effigies were never needed. But here everyone treats Gaim like it's the second coming, and yeah it's a good show, but it's been a small fraction of the shows length. I hope it continues to be brilliant throughout, but I wont lose any sleep over spoilers for an episode that is just over a fifth of the way into a series.

If people really are crying over Hase, which I doubt to extremes that I'd bet my life they weren't, then it's just truly ridiculous. The hype machine has consumed itself. I wanna join in on the fun guys, but I cant when everything is being blown so grossly out of proportion.

Gosh, first world problems. Why do you care so much what everyone else does?

I liked Wizard and I like Gaim, but Wizard just wasn't a good show. But Gaim is, even if the twists are about as obvious as Kamen Rider Wiseman was.

And just fyi, I actually DID cry like a baby just a few hours ago because of what happened to everyone in that episode, because I like the characters a lot and feel with them.

Because this is a discussion board, discussions are shaped by the communities, and if all Gaim's threads are are gushing then there isn't going to be any discussion.

I love this forum, people may think I'm an asshole and I can live with that, but I do kinda hate sometimes how this community as a whole likes to just sorta skirt around issues.

Being negative is a beautiful thing, being pessimistic isn't fun, but getting into the nitty gritty of something and talking about what does and doesn't work and WHY it doesn't or does work is so much fun, but I'm just not seeing that with Gaim. Most episode threads I lurk in, I usually say my piece and step out of the thread as the threads are usually pretty fluffy.

Yay, so because someone somewhere in the world thinks that our opinions are stupid, I shouldn't be excited for Gaim, cry when something sad happens or share my happines about what happened in an episode with everyone else?
And just because we like it and talk mostly about what we liked rather than what wasn't that good we're all wrong and don't see its flaws? Yeah, sure.

Who said your opinions are stupid or wrong? I dunno why you're getting so defensive or putting words in my mouth, but its lovingly juvenile.

I'm excited for Gaim as well and enjoy discussion the many positives, but I guess I'm just after more stimulating discussion than the current hype train can offer. Hopefully when the show cools down a bit the discussion will get more interesting and less vapid.

I see discussing with you is still pointless, as you seem to consider only your opinion as the one truth.
Oh yeah, and calling others "juvenile" is of course very mature... Besides, since you indirectly adressed your post to me, by talking about people crying over Hase, I think I have a right to defend myself.

But well, if you don't even want to accept that there actually are people who feel connected to the minor characters in Gaim and don't pretend so because they thing it's cool, then go keep whining. I don't feel like wasting my time trying to explain my point to you anymore.

Now now you two, calm down :).

Now I can see why people are sad about what happened- he was just a teen. Sure a teen who wanted to fight and prove he had power, but he still was a teen. After being abandoned by his crew and the person he thought was his friend, it was heartbreaking. Then to have him in constant fear, you can't help but want to give him a hug. We essentially saw someone go from being a thug, to comic relief, to a shattered mess, to someone who lost control of himself, only to see instead of a way for him to regain control, just see him taken down in front of the person who tried to save him. Doesn't matter if he was the most prominent character or not. He was still someone the audience could relate to in some way, and that's why they care so much about what happened to him.

Hase has a cool story and all, but I do agree that it's hard to really care much because he was so underdeveloped as a character. End of the day, I'm probably going to walk away from Gaim remembering what happened to Hase, but I doubt I'm going to remember much about the character himself (Like Punch Hopper from Kabuto).

You may not have called opinions stupid or wrong, but you've called them just about everything else.

Just because discussion isn't going your way, doesn't mean it's "fluffy" or "vapid." You been INCREDIBLY condescending about this whole issue, no ifs ands or butts about it.

Really, it's incredibly, incredibly difficult to not read your posts and think you're just being this way because you like Wizard and it's unpopular, so it bugs you. And you know what? I'm 50 shades of A-okay with that. I like shit that's unpopular, too. But don't make it out like it's everyone else's problem, or that their opinions are unjustified. People are inclined to like what is good, so if something is good discussion generally swings more to the positive because it has overall a positive effect. You're tryign to seperate objective from subjective, a futile effort when the entire point of a forum is for OPINIONS and feelings on a subject. If you want to dissect, dissect, but don't act like people who don't view the show as a cross-section are somehow not contributing or being "vapid."

I'll be the first to jump in defense of Gaim as a series.I think it's great and it's heading in the right direction.That being said,Hase was used as a plot point.

I liked Hase.Heck I thought if he had character building before this whole story where he got ditched and died,I would've actually felt bad for his death,but Locke is right.The only time Hase got any kind of character building was right before his death.

That to me is cheap.Hase was used more as a point of "If humans eat the fruit,this is what happens" instead of making us care about him.They literally took the least popular rider and sacrificed him.

Does it suck Hase died? Yeah,I wish he would have survived and found a way to become Kurokage again.Did they use his death as a plot point instead of character building? Yeah,they certainly did.

I love this series.Everything about it.The goofiness,the serious plot points,the character building,everything.This was the first flaw I found,and before you say it isn't,how many character building episodes did Hase have before his death?

100% agreed with this.

Regardless, this thread needs get back on track with what it is, rumors and speculation. Not opinion.

Nobody said that Hase was the deepest Character on the show.

People liked Hase because he was a quirky side character that people enjoyed to watch. Him and jonouchi were a great Duo and peopled liked seeing them try to get more power,get better at fighting and compete with the likes of Kouta and Kaito.

So when he lost his Driver,the one he thought off as his beast Friend and his entire Team the people who liked seeing him do quirky comic relief stuff felt bad for him and made a certain connection to him.

So when he gets killed off those People who enjoyed the cahracter being on the show have every right in the god gamn world to be sad about it.

Being a deep and complex character isnt a requirement for liking and or caring about him getting massacred.

there are more than enough people who can enjoy a minor one dimensional character like Hase and still feel like shit when he is killed off in such a cold and brutal way.

EDIT:

dmn it didnt see your post Den-O...sorry

All good man. Just don't want this thread to turn into arguments.

So then lets get this back on track shall we?

Now that Sid has gotten his hands on some juicy cherry flavored rider powers of death...how long till he shows Micchy whos the boss now?

I actually figured Sigurd would be a different person, honestly. Seems kind of weird having 3/4 of the Energy Riders be people we know and only one be someone new. Though, there really isn't anything wrong with having more / new female characters, so!

I don't think he will.He knows who Micchy's older brother is Zangetsu,and why would he go through the trouble of having both of them going after him.(I know Zangetsu doesnt know Micchy is Ryuga yet,but I bet it'll come to light if Ryuga and Sigurd fight in front of Zangetsu)

Why would he care about Zangetsu? We know Sid dislikes Takatora. He was afraid of him because he was just a lock dealer and Takatora was a Rider. Now Sid has as much power as Takatora himself and he doesnt need to be afraid anymore.

But we also know Sid is very smart.Would you want to take on both Takatora and Micchy,knowing Takatora has just as much power as yourself? Especially when there could be other ways to do it,like having Takatora fight Micchy as Ryugen,knowing that Takatora doesn't know it's Micchy.

I doubt Sid would take him on in a fair fight.That's just not how I see Sid's character.I mean all the episodes leading up to this made sure we knew Sid was sneaky.

Should I post Hase's actor's blog entry for today.
It has some interesting stuff.

Well, I don't know about Marika, but if she dislikes Takatora as much as Sid, it shouldn't be a problem to take Ryugen and Zangetsu on.
Besides, would Sid kill Ryugen, it would have no effect at first anyway, because Takatora doesn't know that Micchi is a rider...

Feel free to do so. I think it's worth being posted here.

Spoiler but I guess that's it then.

Damn.

I'll kinda miss him. Though he only played for a short time, his performance sure was memorable.

You know that if someone is tied to someone else in a family matter and they have a secret,they tend to find it out.

Since the user who uploaded the Gaim stuff has deleted them, I guess I can't really watch Gaim anymore, so BYE GAIM COMMUNITY I WILL MISS YOU SO MUCH!!!

Try GoodDrama,