Unfortunately, they do act very morally ambiguous outside their show, like I mentioned about Kaito in SHW. It's weird, since I've seen a lot of people praise those characters for their post-show appearances which are sometimes OOC or exaggerated for contrived conflict, while bashing the show where they're more like themselves.

I speculate that this is the main reason why people complain about Mizoguchi Takuya as an actor, out of spite for him replacing Satoh Takeru as Ryoutarou, rather than his original appearance as Nogami "Koutarou" Ryoutarou in Ore Tanjou. Ryoutarou getting de-aged by Time Nonsense definitely retroactively makes me feel more meh about Final Countdown than I already did. He's pushier as well, like what's with him expecting Momotaros to help people who are trying to kill him? That's hardly reasonable, even if it is something a hero would do.

However, something else I find strange about Ryoutarou in this movie is how he's referred to as being 19 years old. He was born in December 1988, so if this is May 2009, why is he not 20 yet? Did Kobayashi fail at math?!

As a fan of urban areas, yeah, I can generally agree with Yu about that, although I think his "hatred" of rural areas is a little extreme. I don't hate them, I just prefer the excitement and noise of the big city!

Fun Fact: Yu's actor is actually.... An actress!

I thought it was just nice to finally have a story about a kid Yuto that was completely detached from his whole memory problem subplot.

Why creepy? Toki is implied to be Yu's ancestor due to resembling his dead mother and the causal loop with the kirifuda, so I thought it was supposed to be a nice familial moment between them.

Yeah, Gaoh's so much more awesome than these stereotypical rampaging Oni. They're giving Takeshi a bad name!

The big fight with Super Climax Form was pretty great. However, I would also like to point out the awesome scene with Denliner driving through the giant barrel of a battleship cannon, followed my Momotaros' duel with Kuchihiko!

This thread continues to surprise me as I continue to learn out of nowhere things... like this!

It totally blew my mind when I found out about that!

I found out about it when I was watching EZ Rider's Toku Time video review of the movie myself.

It is undeniable!

There's basically no explanation for Yuuto's significance in this movie. He matters to Deneb, and there's that joyous reunion at the end, but nothing that says This Is Dude Is Normally A Kamen Rider. It ends up not really mattering, since the entire point is that the bond between Deneb and Yuuto transcends contracts and superheroes, but we never even see Yuuto henshin into Zeronos.

I was legitimately shocked that Decade left in the middle of the climactic battle. And he does it with this weirdly self-satisfied air? Like, he's all Mission Accomplished when everyone else is trying not to get shot out of the sky by a magic warship. It's maybe too far?

Yuuto's relationship with Toki mostly didn't work for me because Toki plays everything that's transpiring in a happy-go-lucky way, and Yuu plays everything that's happening with a hollowed-out sense of sorrow. He's putting a lot of weird weight on this random woman he just met, and we as the audience have no idea what his mom was like, to be able to see the connection.

It just came off mildly uncomfortable to me. This kid is making some ancient archer out to be his new mom? And his new mom also has a bit of a death wish?

Quick programming note!

Scheduling has been sort of tricky for the next couple Decade episodes, not at all helped by my having to work today on my day off. Also, my mom - Kamen Rider Dianne - is in town this weekend, so my toku time is sort of nowhere. Long story short, with any luck the stars will align and we'll get to Kabuto on Sunday or Monday. Thanks for your patience!

My point was actually about how Natsumi looks hot af including outsde that leather outfit that fanbase nicknames her Natsumelon.

Lol true, this is practically a Den-O movie, Tsukasa is only an extra muscle. Not even a scene of him probably trading egos with Sieg (who you treat as Tendou-like, and I agree) or such? Wasted chance! Sieg's probably the Imagin most compartible with Tsukasa. And true too Diend is more useful as Tsukasa only fought as regular Decade while Diend fought as himself. Oh wait, that's more like saying that Diend's power is superior to Decade's (it contrasts, but this movie kinda portrays it as unfair).

To ask, why don't you just treat Ryotaro's appearence just like the appearence of Kohana, Owner, Naomi, etc. as a pack of Den-O's cast to appear when the franchise revisits past stuff? I don't think that any of them have emotional stake too like Ryotaro? They're there for some of their typical comedic hijinks (though Owner gets some prominence here later). Though I agree that Ryotaro being a kid didn't make sense here (or just that they don't bother to explain why) unlike movies such as Den-O I'm Born.

Super? Lol... Deneb's origin of his partnership with Yuuto was related to... Sakurai. Deneb formed a contract with Sakurai to rebel against Kai, and Sakurai's wish was to have Deneb aid past Yuuto. But apparently the Yuu origin is considered as canon for the wiki page, but I don't know if crossovers (this one is, even with the minimal presence of Decade's cast) are canon. Though for Yuuto's pride or snottiness, I don't know if his kid story here explains the origins of Yuuto's bad trait there, as he's shown miserable in his youth here, thus later it may turn him into a prideful and snotty man. I guess the mistake is the "game-changing shock" at the end? It kinda forces the plot to keep away anything resembling the original Yuuto in the kid. The park ending is fantastic yeah, with Yuuto turning Deneb's clingliness him into a suplex move.

Yes, that's "Super/Cho Climax Form". So it actually appeared here, I already know the form long ago while playing Climax Heroes. Momo was needlessly angry at Sieg joining, when it's actually an advantage that you can fly now, smh! Though still, albeit I already know this, the finisher's still something that doesn't impress me, and that can happen with extra movie forms but giving it more bland attacks. The wing had an absolutely beautiful design though, but not even like, for starters, the Climax Form's finisher of moving the Den-O's DenKamens in its body parts into the part of the body that will attack.

I agree that, the part of tricking both Onis with mundane stuff is golden. Though probably I just like the implementation of mundane stuff in superpowered world. The villains aren't only defeated by fighting, but they (along with Kotaro being saved) are defeated partly by mundane stuff too, which is utilizing art and craft which can be done by any creative human (and Ryutaros is an established artist). I only wonder how much time it took to complete the art and crafts needed to fool them, it can take much longer set up than fighting, or superpower's still involved in this....

Though I gotta defend a bit of the other scenes, personally I find Toki likable, probably due to her keeping gentle and lighthearted demeanor despite being in hardened situation. Also if you'd use creepy as criticism here, I don't know.. there's a hug scene, but I'd only view that as psychologically helping others, lending a shoulder to other's crying, though hope the solution won't be turning it into typical prototypical melodrama, as the 'creepy' description can be used by some people in another kid-adult interaction like Amane to Hajime in Blade (that one's full of heated quarrel, not to those 2 but others around them), but that one's given tolerance in the discussions.

And yeah, at least they should focus on the villain's cruelty more other than how they're on the opposing side, like the state of the conquered areas or what'd they do there, and why they need to be put down (probably too late for Kuchihiko mourning Mimihiko), other than, one thing that sticks out in that is where both of them had no qualms trying to hurt Yuu. For their costume, I also thought that Mimihiko's costume Shilubara resemble Blade's helmet at some points. But Kai also had a vague endgame, I thought not explaining everything can be a better way for you? A̶n̶d̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶ ̶K̶a̶i̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶ ̶M̶i̶m̶i̶h̶i̶k̶o̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶K̶u̶c̶h̶i̶h̶i̶k̶o̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶e̶.̶

All I'm gonna say is Den-O Vega Form and Den-O Super Climax FTW. :rock:

It's because Owner, Naomi, Hana, etc. are all members of the ensemble, while Ryotaro was previously (and maybe still is) the title character. The expectation is that these stories should largely be about Kamen Rider Den-O. Having Ryotaro be around after an emotional send-off AND be around in a movie where he's just one of four heroes... it's not unfair to assume that Ryotaro should have a bit more significance in a Den-O story. If he can't/won't, then maybe he shouldn't be in the story.

So while I love the two new Den-O forms from the movie, I hated the movie after watching it because at this point it felt like they were squeezing the branches of a lemon tree to make lemonade. While it was great to see Mizoguchi filling in as Ryotaro instead of some random person, the magic of 2007 was not there anymore.