"Make it up to the fans"? Like... speak for yourself, mate. From what I've seen people have been pretty split on it; with most people liking it.

Is it really necessary to haves pages and pages talking about the suit. I think we're just nitpicking a bit. The good news for people that don't like it, it's probably not going to get a lot of screen time, since by the time Aruto gets it, the show will be almost over.
Plus, with the pandemic, maybe they couldn't afford an overly bombastic suit, so they went with a more simpler suit.

You know, I honestly don't understand the complaining about the Zero-Two suit. Whenever we get an overly bombastic final form suit like Build Genius or Grand Zi-O, it's just people complaining about how ugly or overly complicated they look. So Toei finally gives us a more simple, sleeker looking final form suit, and people are complaining again. And even then, another way to look at it is as the base form of Zero-Two, not the final form for Zero-One.

Regardless, even if you say Zero-Two is Zero-One's final form, all the complaining will vanish once the suit shows up in-show. Just like every infamous suit that was complained about until they debuted, this is how it'll go. Once it debuts people will start complimenting that it looks much better than it did in magazine scans, and then people will forget they spent months complaining about how horrible and ugly the suit was. Grand Zi-O was one that was hated for so long, then it debuted and people stopped complaining.

And I guarantee it'll happen in the next season too. And the season after that. And the season after that. And so on. It never ends with complaining about suit designs that eventually stop after the debut.

Which is exactly why I find this whole suit "debacle" stupid. A suit's a suit, no need to make an essay on it.

Speaking of the suit, it looks like the June Telebi-scans have started surfacing: https://www.reddit.com/r/KamenRider/...levikun_scans/

Good news for a certain someone, it appears the red and silver they're using for the actual suit will be a tad bit darker than what was initially seen (namely if you check the right half of the second image).

Speaking as a guy who doesn't think that Zero-Two is final form material, yea there's no way that they're going to change it because of western fans complaining about it. For me I'm just mostly wishing there was just a liiiiiittle more to the form than we're getting.

Speaking from personal experience, I've always like, consistently liked all the final forms up to this point, regardless of whether or not it's "overly bombastic", with some minor critiques here and there.

Kiva Emperor? Love the regal-ness of the gold and red.
Decade Complete? Love the cards that are just plastered on.
Fourze Cosmic States? The button-pad chest armor for the Astroswitches is a clever idea.
Gaim Kiwami Arms? Love that it's samurai warlord armor with fruits painted on the chest.
Ghost Mugen Damashii? The long-coat is amazing.
Ex-Aid Muteki Gamer? FUCK YEA GOLDEN STAR DREADLOCKS.
Build Genius? I like how the Fullbottles are placed and I think the centrifuge chest is a cool look (definitely makes it a good counterpart to Evol's armillary sphere chest).
GrandZi-O? It's like Blade King Form (one of my favorite all-time final forms) BUT WITH KAMEN RIDER STATUES INSTEAD.

Like I get the ideas behind Zero-Two and I do think it's a great idea that it's more of a hardware update than just a software update, I just wish it had something a little... more to it than just Zero-One Rising Hopper with some new bits here and there? Like even with the simpler final forms from early Heisei Riders they kinda had enough that while they did appear similar to the base that they looked, they definitely had more to them. Again, Zero-Two's not a bad form, just... a little underwhelming to me, especially considering the progression of some really solid designs like Shining Assault and Metalcluster Hoppers. Honestly I think if the helmet was a little more like Shining Assault or Metalcluster, or that the shoulder armor protruded a little more, I'd like it a bit more.

But yea, you're definitely right that there will always be people who'll find things they don't like about a Rider's final form, since not everyone will be satisfied with how they look.

Yeah, I caught on to this vicious cycle in the lead-up to Ex-Aid's premiere, because that was the only time I got myself a little caught up in the "not digging it" camp... right up until it turned out the irises in everyone's SD Gundam eyes still had the compound insect texture going on, which mollified me enough to realize, hey, these suits actually have a really unique and carefully considered identity to them!

Zero-Two, I think in the long run most of us are going to be appreciating that the series stayed so true to what made its designs such huge winners with everybody. They had plenty of detail, but they were slick too, and avoided being needlessly complex or deliberately gaudy the way so many of the later Heisei Riders were. Shining Assault Hopper is something of an outlier because of this, which I'd imagine is part of the reason there's a camp of people who prefer the base Shining Hopper suit so much.

Zero-Two's increase in bright colors without adding much in the way of new shapes, I think is a solid compromise to give the impression of an upgrade without ruining that simplicity. To me at least, it feels like a truer successor to Rising Hopper than any of Zero-One's other upgrades, even if, admittedly, something like Metal Cluster Hopper has a way more immediate cool factor.

There's very few suits I've stayed disliking after I've seen it in action. Sure, there's still Shining Hopper and Ryuki Survive; but equally I've seen Zi-O Trinity and Rampage Gatling especially do a lot to win me over.

Let's also not forget what Zero-Two will bring to the story. Will it bring much needed character growth for Aruto, will it affect the character dynamics in a significant way, will it's debut lead to big revealation or will it just be a bigger stick for Aruto to wield against his enemies. Hopefully it's not the last one.

p.s. also I hope they don't do it dirty like Grand Zi-O

Oh right! They said Grand Zi-O is supposed to be the powerful form and yet 1 episode later after the debut of Grand Zi-O, Sougo got his ass whooped even in his Grand Zi-O form.

Good job, head writer of Zi-O. (I’m being sarcastic BTW)

So... possible spoilers for the final episodes of Zero-One but take it with a grain of salt



From 4Chan: A new form could be used similar to that of Build's Rabbit-Dragon, a kit bash of existing designs

i appreciate the good timing on this considering the conversations from just the previous page
cuz i want that design to be canon so bad cuz it looks wayyy cooler an more of a final form than zero two, plus it leaves a better feeling towards zero two cuz we get our elaborately dumb an spikey final form anyway so yayyy.
plus bandai makes more money through toys an probably premium bandai if that rumor is true so its a win win win, only loser is our wallets lol
never wanted a 4chan rumor to not get debunked so bad till now.
heck even its context makes sense. zea an ark combining powers to probably beat the butts off of thouser....yeah everyone would want that very much please

I wonder if Zero-Two is inspired by Orb Origin for a simpler looking final form? Yeah Orb Origin is Orb's original form, but it took the place of the final form in the show.

Also I don't know why, but them having a simpler final form, would probably make it easier to produce an SHF for it.

SHIN ZERO-ONE? I'm ready. LET'S GO! :lolol

I’m not sure if anyone notice this but Zero-Two’s design is similar to Kamen Rider 2

Both of them have red gloves and red scarf/things (in case of Zero-Two) on their neck.

No wonder why Zero-Two form look simple..... they wanting to pay tribute to Kamen Rider 2 since Zero-One’s design is simple like first Kamen Rider’s design.

It's the first thing people think of when they saw Zero-Two. Plus the pose is basically Kamen Rider 2's henshin pose.

i'll always be curious as to why they went with the extra grey. nevermind the fact that he just has avengers endgame suit arms lol but hurm.
which sucks cuz they couldnt just put more black on him cause 001 an shining had that so....ooops.
another reason i hope that true final form rumor is real cuz that design has slightly better color placement so crossing fingers.

We~ll the silver stripes were first introduced when Nigo debuted so probably a tribute to that perhaps?

Yes, very good timing, in fact, it's too good regarding the timing. The timing makes it feel more like someone didn't like how subdued 02 was and made this rumor, more than "Oh yes this is totally an inside rumor".

I'll be honest when I say I'm skeptical, having seen the post it's like "Why relate this to RabbitDragon?" mostly because RabbitDragon was CG'd fully in the last episode, and I feel it'd be the same here. There's a few other things, like them flip flopping back into Thouser as the final boss after Thouser's lost all credibility, threat factor, and marketability. Alongside them pushing Ark-Zero with a fairly notable VA who'd make the perfect antagonist for the final round.

Because having seen some stuff regarding Quarter Sales and just general other things, it definitely sounds like them heavily pushing Thouser backfired greatly and I doubt they'd try to push him any further given the entire nearly two months he and his company have been on the receiving end of a beat down.

What's all this about Thouser being the last guy.
EDIT: Actually never mind, I've found the info. I don't know if that suit is real or what not, and I'd be extremely disappointed If Gai was the last guy, I mean come on, the guy was getting creamed for the last several weeks before the hiatus.

Maybe that's the point though, if Zero-Two is really the final form?

From now on they will attempt to make final forms that can stand alongside the Riders' primary designs, rather than loud suits that look really odd when you put many of them together like the Heisei final forms?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZwOHIBV...jpg&name=large

Found this and some info from 4chan, and I dunno if it's true, but here ya go.

Toei and bandai had online meeting on 1st june

Toei want to satisfied viewers for the first reiwa rider

Bandai wants more sales

They had costume designer on meeting so they illustrate the idea

The form will be introduce like build rabbit dragon on final episode

The suit will be reusing asset from another form to reduce time and price

The suit still a concept drawn by illustrator, not final product

The ideas is zea and ark power is combined to face a the final villain, thouser is possible

Bandai will reusing base of metal cluster pk for this form

The suit will be built as fast as possible for filming the last episode

Still has no name, in progress by the writer

Color scheme is just like zero two but with more spike like metal cluster

(X) Doubt

I like the bullet point of "Bandai wants more sales" though, as if that's ever not true.

part of me wishes that rumor were true cuz itd be like "oh so thats why zero two looks so basic cuz they're TOTALLYYYY just gonna give aruto a elaborately dumb an spikey final form anyway to stop thouser or arc or whoever"
plus bandai would be able to make even moreeeee money via figures an probably premium bandai sales if that rumor were true.
an guys like me get a more satisfying final form thats mega pointy an extra as heck which pleases the inner 14 year old.
itd be a win win win, but yeah because rumor....cant get to hype so ugh.
to paraphrase someone on this thread like yeah everyone will probably get used to zero two once we get story context an actually see him fight, alot of us probably still pre ordered the toy anyway so blah but....the inner 14 year old is POWERFUL an wants a dumb final form that makes the yellow green bug man REALLY POINTY an kick EVEN HARDER. i agree the whole debacle is silly too cuz obviously aruto is gonna get a even finaler form anyway for the epilogue movie. but again inner 14 year wants pointy an dumb nowwwwww. cause being different is scary yo! an im allowed to complain even tho i aint the target audience an spent 60 bucks pre ordering the toy for zero two anyway cuz japanese capitalism is more powerful then jiren lol

See to me, Zero One's forms are like Frieza from DBZ, on how the final forms of both Zero One and Frieza's look simple and share similarities with the first form, while the other forms are a bit more out there.

Yea, gotta have to mega doubt that rumor, too. Like it's way too convenient that this rumor started to appear after a number of people (myself included) were underwhelmed or outright admitted to hating Zero-Two. And Thouser as the final boss? Mega doubt that too, considering that for that to happen, Gai would have to upgrade Thouser, which is an admittance that he and Thouser aren't "perfect". Completely counter to what his character has been established as. Though I'm unaware about the quarter sales and stuff, what're they like?

My older brother made the same comparison. I can deeply respect that style of final form, though I still wish that Zero-Two had a little more to it, though definitely not to the degree of the "rumored" final form, which is absurdly cluttered.

ehhh true true, i like that meme pic too.
thankfully cool fanart has helped me get use to the design....even tho said fanarts look
cooler then the actual show but thats the power of fanart, plus there are gonna be some sickkkk customs of the Rkf an figurearts to help relax the admittingly petty nerd salt.
literally just spray paint zero two green an give him a actually scarf an bam....uhh actual green not flurecent green lol
ive only been a rider fan for like a year so i aint as cynical to dumb elaborate spikey forms yet like yall but sighhhh.
the dumber the better i say.
its why i love hyper muteki so much

on the subject of the true final boss id love it if izu just becomes corrupt an aruto has to take her out.
would make the "true final form" even neater cuz itd be aruto using both zea an the arks power to bring izu back an hopefully not kill her. but thatd be to cool so it cant happen....i cant be the only one who pessimistically wants a bittersweet ending thatd involve izu "dying" right? id cry like a little girl but ughh want

I do have one nitpick on Zero-Two..... I wish the boots are red.

Honestly?

Same.

If I would change anything actually, I think the chest should be entirely silver. Not only would that do juuuust enough for me so that it no longer looks like a kitbash, but it also further emphasises the yellow of the legs, which I think is important to be consistent in order to build on the jumping theme.

an artist i follow on insta did a photoshop an simply just make zero green to just go all in with the nigo homage an i think thatd be better myself.
plus a green an grey final form would be pretty unique.
or heck lotta people wanted a more humagear based form, just make him black white an blue, slap in some yellow eyes an oooof....now that i say think about it as am typing i basically want zero two eternal,
ughhh the heck with the scarf give him a energy cape!
eternal Hopper.
that ones free toei

So Bandai Twitter just upload the video of Zero-Two driver.

It look complicated in order to henshin

SOURCE: https://mobile.twitter.com/bandai_ri...56409901072385

You know what, yea I think I would've liked Zero-Two better if the yellow was more of an accent color like in Metalcluster Hopper.

Yeah that Henshin video is definitely making me think that Zero-Two is a Perma-Upgrade of sorts.

In that maybe Aruto will get a spare Zero-One Driver towards the end just to access his previous forms. But something will happen to the first one to where it can only be Zero-Two.

Like hypothetically, Ark-Zero comes in and wrecks Aruto so hard that the plate that pops off is actually destroyed, so the Zero-Two unit is created as a replacement and it's just always on it.

That’s possibility.

After all, most of Riders usually get their final form when their enemies are too strong to defeat.

an then the driver gets fixed at the final episode an we either get zero two rising hopper or aruto just beats the final boss in base form somehow cuz power scaling in toku is weirddddd

According to the rumor from 4Chan that Zero-One would receive a final final form in the final episode similar to Build's RabbitDragon or Zi-O's Ohma Zio

But hey, it's just a rumor.

A TOKU RUMOR
HENSHIN!
lol also yeah i hope that rumor is true.
that design aint half bad either so imma be sad if it turns out to not be real.
but ehh theres always fanart
or the eventually epilogue movie

The red imo helps give Zero-Two a 'hero of justice' vibe more so than ever, and if they have more red it would look even more unique.

Not to be a major downer, but I'm actually kinda hoping the rumor isn't true. Mainly because I don't like the idea of "Final-Final" or "Final-Episode" forms becoming a trend. The idea of every main rider from now on having 5 upgrades (i.e: upgrade -> midseason -> penultimate/super form -> final -> final-final) along with all their other side forms, kinda worries me a bit.

On a side note; It also doesn't help that Aruto is specifically getting the last minute hastily made final form, instead of y'know someone who actually needs one...
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20191006004442

Or even someone who never got another form period.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20191020004304