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Yellow Ranger

10-19-2014 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Starscream Gaga (Post 439451)

This is why Underused and Neverused exists.

Pokemon is badly balanced. You're never going to see a wide variety of Pokemon ever unless you go into Underused and Neverused tournaments because the absolute fact is that 98% of Pokemon can't compete with that other 2% ever. At least Overused cuts out a percentage of the insanely overpowered Pokemon and adds some variety, but some Pokemon are just simply more viable then others.

Anyway I'd say there's about 25 common Pokemon is overused.

What point are you trying to make? You're helping what I'm saying.

Flygon and Kingdra simply can't compete with most OU Pokemon, hence why they're never, ever seen online. Again, this is why Smogon sorts them into tiers and has specific ruled matches, to allow Pokemon like Flygon and Kingdra to be usable.

Also Salamence?

Because they're not as good. Rotom-W is by far the best of the Rotoms and Hippowdon is simply not as good as Tyranitar at all!

Its a website that sorts Pokemon into tiers which allows players to use Pokemon that are not able to compete with other Pokemon ever in matches where they aren't simply insta-lose.

Uber- Only legal in Uber matches
Overused- Legal in Uber and Overused matches
Underused- Legal in Uber, Overused and Underused matches
Rarely used- Legal in Uber, Overused, Underused and Rarely used matches.
Never used- Legal in Uber, Oveused, Underused, Rarely used and Never used matches
PU tier- Legal in all matches. The worst of the worst

Additionally, the ability "Moody" and 1-Hit KO moves and Swagger are banned in every tier plus Double Team, Minimize and more than 1 Baton Passer per team are only legal in Uber.

Outsiders are M-Lucario, M-Gengar, M-Mawile and M-Kangaskhan who are Uber, but their base forms are allowed in lower tiers. Blaziken and Aegislash have the distinction of being the only non-Legendary, non-Mega "Uber" Pokemon.

They playtest and discuss where Pokemon can fit in and where they're too unfairly powerful to be included, by judging things such as how many Pokemon can logically counter them or if they effect the game in a negative way. They also focus on de-centralizing the game by eliminating the Pokemon that are so powerful that every team must have a specific counter for them or simply lose the match.

A lot of whiners don't like it because... Honestly, not many people actually have a good reason to not like them. Usually because they get butthurt when Pokemon they like such as Blaziken and M-Kangaskhan are deemed too powerful to be allowed to fight against Pokemon that they have an unfair advantage over due to stats, attacks and abilities or for whatever reason they ignore the existence of "Uber" matches and say it limits the game. I've also seen people not like them because they get bitter because a Pokemon in a higher tier they don't like is objectively more viable then a Pokemon in a lower tier that they do like.

*nods* So is smogen official or just a fan thing?

GoseiWonder

10-19-2014 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starscream Gaga (Post 439451)

What point are you trying to make? You're helping what I'm saying.

Flygon and Kingdra simply can't compete with most OU Pokemon, hence why they're never, ever seen online. Again, this is why Smogon sorts them into tiers and has specific ruled matches, to allow Pokemon like Flygon and Kingdra to be usable.

Also Salamence?

Because they're not as good. Rotom-W is by far the best of the Rotoms and Hippowdon is simply not as good as Tyranitar at all!

The points I'm trying to make are that OU is boring, Flygon and Kingdra deserve some love regardless, the other Rotoms still have their place (though Fan would be great if it got Hurricane and there was an item that negated Abilities that it could Trick onto others), and Hippowdon actually can take a Mach Punch to the face.

But yeah, I just want to use and see more use of the sadly unloved Pokemon. Why can't we love more of the classics man?! Mr. Mime can wall Dragons now!

losondro

10-20-2014 12:22 AM

Remember people: today (the 20th) is the last day to opt in for the trainer club email to get your demo code on the 21st.

Starscream Gaga

10-20-2014 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Yellow Ranger (Post 439724)

*nods* So is smogen official or just a fan thing?

Fan. Official tournaments' only restriction is "no legendaries" and is nearly also in Doubles.

Klonoahedgehog

10-20-2014 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by losondro (Post 439752)

Remember people: today (the 20th) is the last day to opt in for the trainer club email to get your demo code on the 21st.

How o i do that?

Deathryuger

10-20-2014 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GoseiWonder (Post 439728)

This is pretty much my whole issue with competitive Pokemon battles. You are pretty much guaranteed to see some grouping of six Pokemon that come from the small 30 'mon pool. It gets boring and you usually have to join that group to compete on a regular basis.

Matrixbeast

10-20-2014 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Deathryuger (Post 439799)

Which is why you gotta make sure everyone knows you play [X] tier (Typically UU), so some jerkass doesn't bring a Mega Kangaskhan in.
"Aren't you the one who did that?"
Shut up.

Rocky505

10-20-2014 12:37 PM

North America is getting Glalie in the demo. Japan are the only ones to get Steelix. What a load of shit :mad:

Matrixbeast

10-20-2014 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocky505 (Post 439882)

North America is getting Glalie in the demo. Japan are the only ones to get Steelix. What a load of shit :mad:

Goddammit. I actually like Steelix, too. Fuck the giant rice ball.

WhiteRanger

10-20-2014 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocky505 (Post 439882)

North America is getting Glalie in the demo. Japan are the only ones to get Steelix. What a load of shit :mad:

Europe and UK was they same we got a galie. I do see the steeled being and event down line out side of japan

Young Optimus14

10-20-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 439885)

Goddammit. I actually like Steelix, too. Fuck the giant rice ball.

Hey! Show Glalie the respect it deserves!

Klonoahedgehog

10-20-2014 01:17 PM

...I actually like mega Glalie.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...ornerofWoe.jpg

Paladin

10-20-2014 01:21 PM

There's no other way to get those Mega Stones outside the demo?

Electric Turahk

10-20-2014 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Paladin (Post 439899)

There's no other way to get those Mega Stones outside the demo?

We actually don't know that yet, which is why I didn't get why people were making such a big deal about there being a demo and its availability.

If that is true, then it becomes bullshit. Until then, oh well.

Matrixbeast

10-20-2014 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Young Optimus14 (Post 439897)

Hey! Show Glalie the respect it deserves!

I did.

Young Optimus14

10-20-2014 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 439915)

I did.

Don't hate on the first pure ice type in pokehistory

Matrixbeast

10-20-2014 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Young Optimus14 (Post 439920)

Don't hate on the first pure ice type in pokehistory

Hmm...Nah~

GoseiWonder

10-20-2014 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Young Optimus14 (Post 439920)

Don't hate on the first pure ice type in pokehistory

Technically, the first is Snowy Castform. :p

Matrixbeast

10-20-2014 03:55 PM

Also, not counting technicalities, wouldn't it's pre-evolution, Snorunt, be the first pure Ice type?

GoseiWonder

10-20-2014 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 439935)

Also, not counting technicalities, wouldn't it's pre-evolution, Snorunt, be the first pure Ice type?

That is a technicality as well though.

losondro

10-20-2014 04:17 PM

A little spoiler for the anime popped up:
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...51/121/30b.jpg
most likely, Treeko is going to be Serena's. (Almost like May with Bulbasaur and Dawn with Cyndaquil) Same with the Ryhdon. It'll most likely belong to her too.
Big things are happening and I like it.

Baltan II

10-20-2014 04:24 PM

I have never used Glalie, I've never particularly liked Glalie, but I was actually hoping that we'd get him in the US demo because the Mega seemed to actually convert me to giving a crap about this dumb floating oni snowball. (For the record, I'd always liked Snorunt and found him cute, was indifferent to Froslass, but never had incentive to use any of them.) After the European and Australian demos came out, it seemed like a foregone conclusion we'd get Steelix in the US instead, but no. Woohoo! I can live with that so long as Steelixite is in-game or gets a WiFi release.

Matrixbeast

10-20-2014 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoseiWonder (Post 439940)

That is a technicality as well though.

Not really. Snowy Castform is only a form, not a separate Pokemon.

losondro

10-20-2014 05:02 PM

There's more opportunities to get the demo in the US if you don't get the code tomorrow. Here's as follows from Serebii:

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More demo distributions are known for the US:
-Codes will be distributed at select cinema locations nationwide from Nov. 7–Nov. 13 (while supplies last).
-Check with your local retailer during the holidays to find out about special demo code giveaways (while supplies last).
-Get a code with your purchase of the new Pokémon Art Academy game (out Oct. 24) when you buy from Nintendo eShop on your Nintendo 3DS or 2DS system.
-You’ll also get a code with your purchase of one of two classic Pokémon games coming to the Virtual Console service on Nintendo eShop: the Pokémon Puzzle Challenge game (out Nov. 6) or the Pokémon Trading Card Game (out Nov. 13). You'll find your free demo code on your eShop receipt (download codes available while supplies last).
-Codes will be emailed the week of Oct. 31 to select Nintendo customers with Nintendo Network IDs who have signed up to receive promotional emails from Nintendo.
-Codes will also be distributed during the holiday mall tour from Nov. 24-Dec. 21 at 16 different locations throughout the nation. Talk to a staff member to try out Pokémon Omega Ruby, Pokémon Alpha Sapphire or any of the featured Nintendo 3DS games to receive two codes—one for you, and one for a friend (while supplies last). Check back soon for a list of tour locations

FormerTitanium

10-20-2014 07:13 PM

People already have Dianice codes, how is this possible X_X

losondro

10-20-2014 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FormerTitanium (Post 439986)

People already have Dianice codes, how is this possible X_X

Sauce?

FormerTitanium

10-20-2014 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by losondro (Post 439988)

Sauce?

https://38.media.tumblr.com/7e9170bd...7sxro1_500.png

Electric Turahk

10-20-2014 07:24 PM

Gamestop stores probably got both codes at the same time is all. With the dates on them telling the employees which to hand out (if they pay attention).

losondro

10-20-2014 07:29 PM

Speaking of Diancie, I'm still trying to figure out which nature to get for it. Especially when I want this one to be mega Diancie as well. Probably go for timid nature or a nature that allows me to run a mixed set.

Klonoahedgehog

10-20-2014 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FormerTitanium (Post 439989)

https://38.media.tumblr.com/7e9170bd...7sxro1_500.png

They may have the codes but i don't think the event itself is supposed to go live until a week or so from now.

Rocky505

10-20-2014 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by losondro (Post 439996)

You would want a mixed one. I would say pure special attacking if Diancie would've gotten a special attacking rock move, but no, they had to make Diamond Storm physical and make it unable to learn Power Gem.

losondro

10-20-2014 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocky505 (Post 440026)

Good thing is, is that Diancie can learn Earth Power from a move tutor in ΩR/αS. So that can be useful.

GoseiWonder

10-20-2014 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocky505 (Post 440026)

Why does Power Gem need to suck? It has perfect accuracy and decent base power, but is damned by it being Special (a move style very few Rock types can utilize) and is only learned by Pokemon that fit a particular gem-based visual aesthetic.

Matrixbeast

10-20-2014 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Electric Turahk (Post 439992)

Gamestop stores probably got both codes at the same time is all. With the dates on them telling the employees which to hand out (if they pay attention).

Yeah. Some stores get items in advance that are marked with a street date of when they're allowed to distribute them.
But since it's just a code, it's not like Gamefreak can come down and stop them.

Rocky505

10-21-2014 08:29 AM

This Facebook page is giving away Demo codes(US only)
https://www.facebook.com/maxsoftonline

GoseiWonder

10-21-2014 08:57 AM

Anyone have a a Ditto with 0 Speed IVs? Bronzong' Gyro Ball requires it.

Young Optimus14

10-21-2014 09:18 AM

Not sure if anyone else has gloated but I got my code for the ORAS Demo :D

Rocky505

10-21-2014 09:35 AM

I got mine too! Barely move your control stick in a direction and watch what happens lol!