Uh, no. I definitely believe this is coming from HG Forever.

Its still fused tributes although happened in movie :D

I hadn't actually seen this, so sweet! I'm not suprised Takeru's back again.

Makes sense if Decade shows up in the Ghost Arc, assuming this'll be the arc after Gaim then it sorta lines up with December and Sougo getting his Upgrade Form/Decade Ridewatch.

Speaking of the movie, I wonder when the first trailer will drop, I just wanna see who's coming back other than the Build cast.

Could be a possibility, but why would Ghost even need a tribute episode anyway?

Maybe to exxplain why Geiz already have Ghost Ridewatch.....

Because it's a Heisei Rider series? The toyline also highlighted Zi-O Ghost as making a tv show debut. They've said every Rider will get some kind of appearance throughout Zi-O, so I doubt they'll be skipping Ghost and Drive just because Geiz had their Rider Watches from the beginning.

It's very likely this Rider Watch story won't even go beyond December, since the toyline moves on to different stuff after that point.

Hmm...it seems like maybe Zi-O could get a Ghost Ridewatch of his own without having to borrow the one Geiz uses. Just speculating here.

Then again, we still don't know how Geiz even had the ghost watch on him from the start of the show (not that its important). I mean, he could have stolen it from Oma ZI-O or went to the Ghost timeline himself and got it there but if that happened, then wouldn't Takeru's memories of becoming Ghost be erased after losing his powers?

There's also the recent leaked images. Those images most likely prove that Takeru has lost his powers, but he does have a ghost Ridewatch that he will probably give to Sougo eventually, which makes sense I guess.

I think it's way more likely they'll pass the Ghost watch around than have two - I can't think of any duplicates other than the ride vehicles from Gaim.

The Ghost thing is an interesting question. I guess Geiz could have done it himself (similar to what happened with Specter) but if Takeru with Ghost memories shows up in the movie (and, as per usual, the movie is set at about the same point in the series as was airing when it was released in theatres), the timeline is going to be pretty screwy. Actually, it will probably be that, they're clearly fine with screwy timelines.

Alternatively he could have stolen it from Oma Zi-O but in order for that timeline to make anything even resembling sense, present Sougo would still have to make the watch for Oma Zi-O to have it, to be stolen.

Or Takeru could turn up with no Ghost memories at all (in the present).

Takeru in that set is seen alongside Tsukuyomi, rather than Zi-O Ghost and Decade Agito, so I don't think he has powers, which is one of the reasons I think it's for the tv show, since all Heisei Riders are supposed to show up in the movie with powers.

The movie will debut towards the end of December, around the time when the toyline will be done with the Rider Watches, so it's very likely there will be some kind of event allowing the Riders to return since Rider Watch collecting in the series after that point wouldn't make sense due to the remaining Watches being all old toys by then, rather than the newer q2 ones.

And the next three Anothers have been revealed.

Dang, those suits look so coool~

Double, Den-O and...who's the third one supposed to be?

Part of it makes me think it's like Another Momotaros but outside of that I don't get any clear rider relation from it unless it actually is supposed to be Another Momo.

EDIT: Ah, it's a totally different character for the Heisei Gen Forever film. Another W and Den-O will also be featured in the film.

So.. when the BeyonDriver has a ridewatch put into it we see the face right? And we have all of those pins that have rider, next, singular, etc? Just saying



Also GAME is the ridewatch that comes with climax scramble.

The third one is called "Futaros". Assuming it's an imagin.

Loving Another W. :rock:

Another rider figures when?

Ooooh my god yes, I can totally see Sworz forcing two people to transform another Double.

EDIT: with this we can kinda assume both Double and Den-O will play a decent role in the movie right?

I guess now's the time to start counting up our virtues.

Holy shit Another Den-O looks siiiiiiiiiick

I think the two people will be become Another Double just like original Kamen Rider Double.

If you didn't see the front page article, I think we can infer some things about the Imagin. It's name is confirmed as Futaros, following along the naming convention of the Den-Liner crew. Fu roughly translating to minus/negative, Futaros is the opposite of Momotaros, and a therefore perfect companion for Another Den-O. My guess would be that a Time Jacker gives Futaros the Another Den-O Watch, and then has him form a contract with a human to use it. Another Den-O may be a bit more of a special case in that regard.

Another W is insanely gorgeous. The way that it looks like this creature was born from the split down the middle of W's body is just chilling. You can see the regular compound eyes of W's two normal halves on either side of his face. Super eerie and cool.

Kind of curious how the Another Rider impacts the Imagins. Movie should be interesting in that regard. But yay, that means we might see those armor ride forms too!

Personally, I think the Fu in Futaros comes from Futo itself (as it's not just フ but フー). If the plot of the film is about W and Den-O, given how important the setting is to W in general, it'd make sense. But who even knows at this point.

Also, Momotaros is likely to get intermingled with the ride armor. Which would be cool to see. And is pretty much the norm for Den-O anyway.

Really looking forward to seeing how the Imagins react to being erased and then brought back. That seems like a potential comedic/dramatic moment since they are the stronger basis for the Den-O rider. Which also explains Futaros. Since it's basically "Another Imagin" version of Momotaros. Wonder how the time Jackers will react to that.

Which is also interesting. Den-O is a two for one Another rider, and technically W is too. Wonder if that's going to be a factor. Cause this reveal is basically two 2-in-1 riders.

That is one possibility for Oma Zi-O. Possession and the Imagins are known for that. And the little we've seen of Oma does have some Kintaros qualities.

Futaros likely leans on Momotaros as we see in the Another Den-O form. But it is possible that Futaros is all the Taros merged into a nega version. There are 5. Momotaros, Urataros, Ryutaros, Kinataros, and Sieg(technically 6 if you count Deneb). The den-o another rider though does seem to lean on sword form, and has overembelished Momotaros horns.

So that suprise returning actor reveal for next week huh, jesus christ I wasn't expecting that.

Well this was certainly a nice surprise, of course they'd try and keep this a secret.

Good Ruse Cruise they had with Dan though, really got us thinking they didn't get anyone back for OOO.

Yeah I was happy with Kuroto returning cause he is a legendary character through and through, but I was worried that it would mean no OOO characters would return for the tribute, which would have sucked. But holding back the reveal until the end of the episode was a clever move on Toei's part, and my hype for the next tribute is at an all-time high. Not only do we get the heroine Hina, whom we suspected was coming back; Eiji, OOO himself, is coming back and that's an awesome surprise.

As for the Heisei Generations Forever news - Another Double looks really creative and twisted. Den-O is alright, but I am interested in Futaros because the name is making me think he is related to Futo, which would make a lot of sense. Also does anyone remember the original poster and pamphlet (this one)? Den-O, Double and Build have the biggest portraits, and in the pamphlet, their names are bigger than the rest of the Rider's. With the news of their Another counterparts appearing in the film, it seems they had this planned all along. However, there is another name printed in the same size - Kuuga. Could this mean a focus on the original Heisei Rider as well? If Toei manages to get all three (four) of these actors back... Holy crap, this could be a film for the history books.

Den-O and W actually had been highlighted in previous Heisei Generations Forever promo images, but they were early material so things could have changed by the end.

For example, in the image with the Heisei Riders in shadow in the official site W and Den-O had bigger images than the others, aside from the obvious Build. There was also an image with the Heisei Riders lined up and their names above them. W and Den-O were right beside Build and Zi-O, and their names also were the biggest after theirs. And there's one group shot where W actually mirrors Build's position. There's also an image with the individual Rider posters for the movie line up and a tagline in the middle of them, and Den-O's and W's images are placed beside Build's and Zi-O's in the center line.

It looks like they really will get special focus in the movie.


I don't think Kuuga's name is as big as Den-O's and Double's.
That said, we've already seen from shooting leaks that a suit actor with the Kuuga suit seemed to be recording a scene by themselves, so it looks like Kuuga will get at least one spotlight scene... although I guess it's possible every Heisei Rider will have one.

Yep. I kinda figured W & Den-O are might get bigger roles in this movie after that first poster came out.

Considering Kuuga was the first of these 20, it's likely he'll get some special stuff. With likely a small appearance in an episode to a later bigger bit maybe. Depends. Kuuga is also that rare one where they can do two Kuugas though because of Decade's Kuuga. The two Kuuga have different timelines. So an another rider of Kuuga might only erase one of them.

I'm sure they have other surprises still in store too.

Something that really interesting/odd to me is that Another Double is in the winter movie, primarily because it seems to imply that the Double Armor is going to be used as the movie exclusive (probably similar to PhoenixRobot).

Also, since Another Den-O is here, hopefully we can see Den-O armor as well, but I wouldn't count on it.

Like Build, anything in the movie is fair game for series. Once the costume is made, it's available. So we may see them in series later. And if we're seeing another riders, then we'll see Ride Armors. As we've been told repeatedly, the only way to fully defeat an another rider is by using the same rider's power. Otherwise they can keep coming back.

So that means we will see W ride Armor and Den-O ride armor.

Not necessarily. Keep in mind that they need the Rider power, not exactly the armor. I do hope we see the Den-O Armor, but I don't think it's a grantee. Keep in mind that Build also messed up its rules by including Bat as both a normal Fullbottle and Lost bottle. So anything can go with the rules in the future.

Futaros is likely a multi-nod. Future Taros because Den-O.
Fu as in negative.
And then a nod to W's wind city likely.

They've shown multi-nods like that before in the show including mixing english words in the reasoning.

They have to. They need the exact rider to defeat the another rider, and the original rider ceases to exist when the another rider comes into existence. Therefore, Armor Time is the only way. Den-O can't defeat another Rider Den-O because he ceases to exist when the Another Rider begins to exist. The belt or the belt's power goes poof.

As revealed so far, the only other way is to have a Time Jacker remove the Another Watch when they are reverted to human. So yeah, we'd have to see the Armor Times for W and Den-O for their another riders to be defeated. That's short of having the original rider murder the human form when they are reverted, but that's way too dark for even Kamen Rider. Time Jackers freeze time when they insert the another watches, so even time travel to try and avert it won't work.

Kabuto is likely the only exception to this because of clock up. But even then, so long as the another rider happens far enough away from Kabuto, it's a non-issue and his zector and the Worms will disappear. The same is what would happen to Den-O or W. The second their another riders appear, their belts and memories disappear. So the only remaining bit of the "rider power" is the armor time.

And yes, the movie is in continuity to the series, so the suits carryover. It's a great excuse to extend the tv side's budget. So the suits will carryover to the series too. Now that also depends if there's a reason for them to use it in show. But they likely will if they are fun enough(like how Geiz favors the Faiz watch now). Probably depends on how annoying Momo is to the others. I could see that one becoming the "No you take it" ride watch.

They aren't going to play fast and loose with the rules in Zi-O. They've been too detail oriented to do that. Build had other excuses, but that was also Q3/Q4. Not Q1/Q2.

...I am gaping in open-mouthed astonishment. The writers have done little but play fast and loose with the rules in Zi-O. Also, I came very close to using scare quotes around "rules" just now.

The plot doesn't make a lick of sense. Oh, they've so far stuck with the "creation of Another Rider robs the actual Rider of their powers and also happens to prevent the enemies they fought" thing, the "only the original Rider's powers can defeat the Another Rider" thing, and the "the Another Rider's defeat doesn't restore the original timeline thing."

However, there's no connective tissue to any of it, and they tacked the whole thing onto a time-travel plot. Close to nothing about time travel on this show makes any sense. The show only acknowledges the concept of cause and effect except when convenient. Our heroes encounter an Another Rider in the present, then journey back in the past to defeat the Another Rider. Since they did that, they shouldn't have been able to encounter the Another Rider in the present... yet they do.

We've seen more than one instance of a Rider getting disempowered, yet remaining in the exact location and position they'd been in - mid-battle - afterward, looking baffled. Everything about how they're positioned suggests "something just happened," but if the timeline had actually changed so that the plot of that Rider series never happened, that just wouldn't be the case. The whole point is that something didn't happen.

The Ranger Keys thing in Gokaiger was always kind of mechanically iffy (Sentai transferring their powers to Ranger Keys is very much like the Superfriends' "Using their various forms of time travel..."), but you at least had a cause-effect relationship. All those Sentai series happened, the former Sentai were just disempowered. Zi-O's direction has so far been that the prior Rider series never happened, and the show's apparently had no interest whatsoever in addressing the implications of that. Regarding that last point, I'm hoping that next week's episode might finally fill in some of that gaping plot hole.

Come to think of it, I think that'd 50% of my gripe with Zi-O: it's not just that there are plot holes, it's that there is more hole than plot.

I know a ton of the show is dictated by the various toy lines (the RKF Ride Armor, the DX roleplay items), but I'm curious as to how much was large-scale directives from Toei. Specifically, I'm wondering if some higher-up decided part of the goal of this show is to ditch all prior Rider continuity, perhaps in the hope of post-Heisei Rider shows being able to share a coherent universe. Pure speculation on my part, of course.

Unrelated: I realized that the images of the W Ride Armor suggest a huge missed opportunity. How sweet would it have been to have Sougo and Geiz merge for the form, with one eye being Zi-O's pink and the other being Geiz's yellow.

You're totally right on the show playing fast and loose with it's rules, the show's making time travel unnecesarily complicated and the "the shows stop existing" must have some bigger reason other then "time travel lol".

I will say, I'm fully expecting a Gokaiger like ending. Zi-O beats Oma Zi-O/Whatever the End game villian ends up being. Goes back and gives every Rider their power back, to wrap up the timeline nicely.

Untill the 2019 team up movie where Zi-O SOMEHOW gets the powers from previous Riders/the 2019 Rider without fucking with the timeline. That's speculation on my part, but let's be fair this is gonna happen.

We're getting Build as the costar in this movie even though he has been erased though. Temporary or not, they will find a way to reverse the effects of the Another/Ride Watches and very soon. So, it wouldn't be impossible to get W and Den-O defeating their own Another Riders. Although in W's case that's unlikely because they'll want to advertise the W Armor (unless that pops up in the tv show somehow even without a W arc).


Everything will obviously be undone permanently by the end anyway, since the future with no Riders leads to Oma Zi-O, and that obviously won't stand.

Anyway, I really doubt there's any bigger plan behind the show to change things up for the future like that. Even different producers have completely different ideas about "continuity", like how Omori (Drive, Ex-Aid, Build) has talked about a Rider World and how "World B" from Build's finale was that world. Meanwhile, you have Shirakura (producer of most early Heisei series, and now Zi-O) who has recently talked about how every Rider is its own standalone world and Zi-O is an exception where they all exist in a single world. Basically, there seems to be no continuity enforced from a level higher than main producer, and different producers seem to have different ideas about continuity (or the lack of it).

We're likely getting some kind of cop-out to let Riders have their Rider personalities in the movie. Maybe more time travel shenanigans, maybe he figures out a way to temporarily lend powers back (I believe the Gokaigers did that), whatever.

I don't think he necessarily needs an armour time to defeat them. Geiz used Cross-Z only as a finisher. Granted, it was unclear if he could have defeated Another Build that way if Zi-O wasn't using Build Armour but if they don't want to make a suit, that's probably how they'll do it.

If we establish that he can give powers back, they'll just treat it in exactly the same way as Gokaiger. The Zyuohger episodes with Gokaiger in had a scene where Gai went around asking to borrow powers. Or even just that but offscreen (like how Gaim just conveniently fetched Drive's equipment)