I'm wondering if the possible "Rider War" is supposed to be representing Ragnarok, i.e. a clash between "gods".

We've got Yggdrasil, Helheim... Sigurd... I'm still waiting to see if they do more with the Mythology aspect.

Didnt Urobuchi already say that they chose the name Yggdrasil because it sounded cool and was associated with plants rather than the actual mythological aspect?

I have no idea, I'm still fairly new to all this.

But that seems to be in line with how Japanese media usually co-opts Western mythology... and vice-versa. *sigh*

If Yuya returned as somehow a counterpart of him like Mai's counterpart, would he be the rider with an apple lockseed?

Again, those were just rumors. And after the most recent episode, it's clear that some theories are now jossed.

Oh God yes.

I hate, hate, HATE religion in anything Japanese. It's either disgustingly ham-fisted and pandering, or so unidentifiable you wonder why it was even there.

It just feels, for lack of a better term, "tryhard" when Japanese stuff tries to create Christian alegories. Usually that just means throwing in the imagery of an angel and someone mentoning "God." There's a bit more to Christianity than that, guys.

You know, it bothers me that Yggdrasil's goons only ever use the Matsubokkuri lockseed. Considering the organization's ongoing harvesting of Helheim fruits, or at least their sizable stockpile of lockseeds, you'd expect that they'd have at least two or three troopers outfitted with better gear, such as Orange or Banana lockseeds.

Guys I don't care if it's just to talk about how much the Japanese miss the mark on religion, we do not discuss it here. If it happens in an episode and its relevant to discussion that's one thing, but we will not go into a deep discussion of religion here.

Thanks Den-O, hopefully that means people will stop bring up crap like Adam and Eve and Apple Lockseeds now.

I still want to believe an Apple Lockseed will exist in the show. I mean the battle between Apples and Oranges is a rivalry that predates history itself.

Apple Lockseeds are fine, it's just the idea of it being used for a cheap reference back to a certain silly story.

We need an apple lock seed! So I can compare it to the Orange lock seed!

I think you just pissed a few people off there Locke.

I think an apple lockseed will show up in the show and be used by a Kamen Rider Odin- like character but I don't think the Adam and Eve thing is going to pan out. I mean, there is an extra LED color in the genesis Driver for one more lockseed, and apples can be green.....

What about it being a cheap reference? Nah we already discussed that further up and everyone agreed, but as it touches the religion banner we had to drop it, which is fair enough.

I was meant the 'Silly story' bit (Which is the bible, obviously). i do agree that the cheap reference is dumb.

My question is: Are the lock seeds compatible with the Genesis driver in the show?

Hey you said that, not me.

I'm talking about the theory that Blonde Jailbait is actually Eve from the bible and then Adam from the Bible is gonna just sorta appear or whatever the theory assumes. It's silly.

Shin Zangetsu uses Mango at some point, doesn't he? I'd take that as a yes.

That was for a DVD, and it's just regular Zangetsu.

Seriously this is over. No back and forth. No discussion, no poking at anybody else over wether anything is silly and or not. No one starts offending anyone else, then nobody has to defend themselves and let the discussion spiral further.

Religious discussion over. Take it to PM's.

Well that's upsetting...

I'd like an apple lockseed to show up, because apples are my favorite fruit, not for any overly symbolic meaning.

Wasn't it mentioned that the apple lockseed will appear in Gaim's own movie?

Though I kinda hope that isn't true, for such a major fruit I'd rather it be intertwined with the show, especially with how apples have been subtlety used over the course of the show.

So, I know I'm probably reading a bit far into this, but anyone else ever noticed how the peach on the side of Marika's helmet looked an awful lot like a spade?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-grDz2Y9myi...ca-d6zoln4.png

Now considering "Marika" is derived from the Arabic word for "Queen", this would sort of make her the "Queen of Spades".

...So Blade's queen is finally here? :lol

Is such a ship even possible!? Two different ships involving the same person!

First the Den-O/Marika ship, now a Blade/Marika ship. Just, wow :lol

I'm now waiting for the fan art of that to happen.

But... But Yoko isn't a crazy immortal goat man! :lol

People have way too much time on their hands :lol

You're people too... just saying. :p

Rumors for the next few episodes. Grain of salt as always.

http://www.heroshock.com/?p=9980

Cracks are multiplying within Zawame and Ryoma decides to activate « Project Arc ». It consists in distributing Sengoku Drivers to the population to see who will survive and who will die. This process will allow Ryoma, Kaito, Yoko and Sid to see who is strong and who is week according to their criterias.

This part is somewhat interesting to me. If true, I wonder if they'll all receive Pinecone lockseeds as well, or if we'll see other fruits/nuts on the Kurokage base body?

If it's the latter, then that's gonna be a buttload of potential figures for Bandai.....

Honestly...I'm kind of expecting Ryouma, Sid, and Minato to betray Takatora, and say something like "We're going to claim Helheim's power for our own!" Then Takatora will say "What? This is madness! What about the fate of humanity!" Then Ryoma might say something like "We've found a way to harness it's power without it taking over our world" or something like that.


EDIT: Wow...I just realized I could've totally made a 300 joke there.

Fixed. :p

I said that!

/well not about the gun, but DJ Sagura.

Definitely thinking the Overlord is manipulating everything behind the scenes.

Someone mark that on the Urobutcher bingo card if that becomes real!

How the HELL with they justify the gaim vs tokkyuger thing.

The same way Spongebob and Patrick justified their shenanigans inside that cardboard box:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/208...gination-o.gif

Ok, so, I'm not crazy. :lol