We have an idea as to how strong Hyper Form eventually becomes, I suppose. It's just a cop-out that we never actually got to experience Tendou reach that point himself within the series. It just kept throwing us a bone about the potential of the Hyper Zecter and then it never amounted to anything in the main timeline of the show.

That's my problem with Hyper Form. Yes, I'm sure we know how powerful it is. But we barely saw the extent of it's power in action.

Personally, I don't think Hyper Kabuto is necessarily more powerful overall than some of the other final forms, but the strongest power he does have negates most of the other Riders' abilities.

unless Tendou is doing Ekko maneuvers, then Tendou isn't really winning the battle with time travel.
just making it to where the battle doesn't happen in the first place.

Also we don't technically know the effects of the time travel. it's like going back and killing hitler, you could end up making everything worse. Like if Tendou got rid of W's driver then accel would be the only standing rider against The Museum and potentially screwing over Fuuto and possibly za warudo.I feel like that is a good counter for thinking that time travel beats everyone because you could screw everything up. and if he tries to do something like Mai tried to he could just end up locked in a never ending time travel fiasco trying to stop his past self. Aside from that for me it's hard to say but I would say either kiwami or tridoron because you have all the previous powers in one.

Yup, no matter how much I like Hyper Kabuto, to me the one who has all the power/abilities like time travel, teleport, telekinesis, and much more is Gaim Kiwami who obtained Golden fruit, so basically I do agree that at the moment Gaim Kiwami > all riders at the moment, but so be it, Hyper Kabuto all the way!!!

All this talk of time travel and godmodding, and somehow everyone forgot THIS guy.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130806214337

And before anyone says he doesn't count- Ren used the Odin deck ( or rather, the other way around) in an SIC story. It counts.

hahahaha, yup, true enough, but hey guys, chill, no matter how powerful gaim/kabuto/kuuga is, do remember we have drive now, we dont know anythiing about drive special type yet, who knows what will happen, and I admit I forgot, Tridoron sure is fast enough to go against Hyper Kabuto

oh ya, Kiwami can change itself into gas/light form, which make him invulnerable to attack, zzzz, cheating.... like what we saw in episode 43, he destroyed the inves in that form, so I guess he just need to stay in that form and when hyper clock up is over, i guess, that's it? LOL, too many thoughts and simulation that i can cook up

But Ren beat Odin, technically. He can't be that powerful.

Then again, we've got no idea what kind of power he'd have with the Survive card he never used.

Right, but that's because Odin's "user" was distracted. Ren was barely holding his own that whole fight. The only time Odin was ever actually hit was because Shinji managed to pull an MK9 and send a single, short, cryptic message back to himself, and then when Odin LET the other guy win.

The Odin deck is for all practical purposes unbeatable.