Though in recent episodes, Keiwa does vouch for everyone's happiness to reject any sacrifices revolving how DGP works (which'd mean not viewing good in statistics), and also convincing Neon to stay and make sure that the world can accomodate everyone's happiness including a fake human. Dunno if this'd sound spiteful to you regarding Michinaga talk, or just pointing out about the DGP not being the only problem (though obviously it's a big one), perhaps Michinaga can discover that even by having the Rider powers nonexistent, the humans' desire and free will means that as long as people are free to choose, someone will choose to do evil, and there will always be someone else who still suffer from their freely taken evil actions, likely will cook up another extremist plan to "end conflict".

I'd wanna ask why do you praise Sara's support to Neon here, but consider Keiwa and Neon helping her as merely doing it for personal connection? O̶t̶h̶e̶r̶w̶i̶s̶e̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶N̶e̶o̶n̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶S̶a̶r̶a̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶y̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶g̶i̶r̶l̶-̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶v̶e̶r̶s̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶R̶i̶n̶t̶a̶r̶o̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶M̶e̶i̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶e̶?̶

Yeah, Kanato's deisre can technically achieve peace, because conflicts'd be always present among any living beings. Which'd be why it's not only the person's intentions that are important, wanting world peace doesn't necessarily make someone good (even though perhaps there'd be those who still praise the extremist ones wanting that compared to the other Riders' desire they all condemn because it's for personal gain), but Keiwa's a good person (doesn't mean he's inculpable though, as like his self-righteous move in ep. 8) because he actively puts into practice of helping others including rival Riders and avoiding doing bad things to them, at least directly.

Y̶e̶a̶h̶ ̶h̶e̶'̶s̶ ̶"̶K̶a̶b̶u̶t̶o̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶n̶a̶b̶e̶"̶.̶ ̶G̶u̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶b̶o̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶i̶p̶u̶l̶a̶t̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶t̶e̶l̶l̶e̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶y̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶g̶a̶m̶e̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶K̶a̶b̶u̶t̶o̶ ̶d̶e̶r̶i̶v̶a̶t̶i̶v̶e̶s̶ ̶-̶ ̶A̶c̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶K̶a̶m̶e̶n̶ ̶R̶i̶d̶e̶r̶'̶s̶ ̶K̶a̶b̶u̶t̶o̶,̶ ̶D̶a̶i̶c̶h̶i̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶N̶a̶r̶u̶t̶o̶'̶s̶ ̶K̶a̶b̶u̶t̶o̶.̶

There'd be difference between actually affecting or harming someone with the strikes vs just pushing something with your force - the latter can be done against even something unbreakable depending on how much it weighs.

We have to not depend on personal feelings to decide characters' role. It's something completely subjective and varied regarding which characters feel more standout, impactful, important, fun, etc. (screentime can be used for these stuff too, though not only it) which is what some people often use to measure main characters or more important ones (which seems to be just asserting personal favorites). And because protagonists are often not people's favorite, it can happen for outright primary Riders too, like for example, claiming Fuwa's the main Rider instead of Aruto - seems obvious that this is just imposing their favorites they're the most invested with as the main only because you don't care about actual one, those shouldn't be validated.

Thought Kitaoka (with Goro too) seems to be the only other universally well-received character other than Asakura in that show. And plot reason seems to be the explanation to not have him return (while the actor has other explanation iirc, but even then the actors of main Riders Shotaro and Philip are difficult to return), succumbing to his cancer. Ouja's personal Rider stuff is spare Contract Cards (like Ryuki and Knight having Survive, Gai having Confine, Raia having Copy, etc.), but it's necessary because both Ryuki and Knight schools Ouja easily as Survive, he gotta keep up with at least making his monster on par with Survive ones (in the Attack Power of Genocider to Dragranzer & Darkraider).

And characterization has no relation to their story role, even though it's true Na-Go is the tertiary. The franchise's formula may have certain characters often occupy that role, but they (or anyone else) can perform different things for that character role too if they want. Michinaga has a characterization similar to many previous secondaries of being brutish thug , same logic applies to Neon here for "suffers the most" (guess for OOO, the primary seems clearly the one suffering the most, and even then, perhaps there are lots of other tertiary that doesn't suffer the most, at least in comparison to main characters like Mihara, Taiga, Woz, Yua, Sakura).

Otherwise, seems that from how you're talking about the "cries" here, you're an actual example of those thinking that, versatility aside, characters are only okay to display a breakdown, vulnerability, etc. if they have "proven" themselves to be a "bonafide badass" (read: those being grumpy, antisocial, aggressive, and other cold or outright toxic masculine traits depicted as tough) of which it'd be praised as humanizing instead for them. Gotta stop encouraging emotional suppression/avoidance of vulnerability and telling people not to cry, be vulnerable (except for those normally acting like stereotypical men, and those characters I refer are often given occassional vulnerable moments, just the double standard of only those being able to without being shamed), and project a rather inauthentic image, lest those get harassed and shamed. It's not what being emotionally healthy actually is and it can't be suppressed forever, also strong doesn't only come in one mold, there's no one way to be strong.

It's also a common view that villains tend to directly alter the plot's trajectory more, in fact it can be seen as inherent (actually not always) that they're the ones who make the plot while the heroes only react. By this there can be people having takes such as "Joker is the real protagonist (or even 'the hero') of The Dark Knight" but doesn't mean they're stating the truth/fact - it's just one of those biased interpretations revolving around their favorite characters only.

Cicero said, "Exceptions prove the rules." Ace would love it. Over the 50 years of the franchise, riders atypical for their roles will certainly appear in it. This applies to both primary and secondary, and tertiary too. Plus, in Revice, I consider Demons tertiary, just not agreeing with Toei. Let this be a personal headcanon. As for Michinaga, your statement is very debatable, because he is quite similar to Snipe. And Beroba doesn't call him Micchy for nothing. Plus, in the movie, he fought Vice, emphasizing his position as more important than secondary.

So, I'm sure that we already had this conversation, but still you are fighting in the wrong direction again. When I write that someone cries a lot, I am not judging or belittling, but simply stating a fact. If I want to give this a condemning color, I use a colorful epithet to emphasize it.
And even more so, I'm not a fan of cool characters. In my rider rankings, Takeru is higher than Tendo. And the same Gills I like not because he is cool and brutal, but because I feel sorry for the boy who receives a triple share of misfortunes in the show.

Therefore, it seems to me that we need to stop being offended by the statement of fact. A person who fights a lot is a fighter; a person who screams a lot is a screamer; a person who cries a lot is a crybaby. And "crybaby" is not an insult. A pitiful crybaby is an insult. I hope I made my position clear.
Plus, everything you wrote about mental health doesn't apply to Neon? She created a bright positive image on the Internet, hiding her tears behind a smile. And I do not blame her for crying (I just state that she cries a lot), but in her case, tears do not help. Otherwise, she would have already come close to solving her problems, but this is not the case. Neon is still unhappy.


The Joker and after the "Batman" of the 89th was a favorite character for many, but then it never occurred to anyone to say such a thing. In the cases of The Dark Knight, Christian Bale's character does not corny develop either like Batman or like Bruce Wayne, but simply reacts to external stimuli. Therefore, for the audience (and due to the popularity of the film, many watched it before "Batman Begins"), he is boring and they were drawn to a more interesting character. Returning to Geats, as I already wrote, judging by the importance for the plot, then PunkJack is one of the main characters, because without him, Ace would never have known about the connection between his mother and the DGP, and would have played with Jamato for another 2000 years.

I'd rather Michinaga doesn't go full genocidal villain like Kaito, as that would pretty much ruin the character for me. Michinaga already shows awareness of the fact that evil is inherent in human nature, which is a trait he acknowledges in himself as well. But his interaction with Tycoon in Episode 37 suggests that his philosophy is about protecting people's happiness from those who would deny them that, so destroying free will and denying everybody would be a contradiction. At this point in the show, I want to see Michinaga develop constructively, not get worse.

Doing good for personal connection is still worthy of praise in its own right. It's good for friends and siblings to help each other out, especially when they're at their lowest. Also consider that Sara supporting Neon is beneficial for all of Neon's fans who want her to be happy, in reciprocation for the happiness she gave them.

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So you forgave him the civilians who disappeared during "Heaven or Hell"? Or put the responsibility for them on Beroba?

Michinaga and Beroba created that scheme together, so they share the blame. While it's true that Michinaga is bad enough that he deems some people expendable to prove a point, he's not so terrible that he would commit genocide.

Genocide is for when a specific group of people are being targeted to kill, and Michinaga certainly didn't do that. But the guy committed mass homicide, and that's still really bad. Like even taking into account that some civilians get brought back to life after the final round, it's been pointed out there are STILL people who don't get brought back in order to be used as fuel for the wishes, like Keiwa's parents.

Like deeming anyone expendable for any reason is bad, no matter what the scale. The DGP is wrong for what they've done, but Michinaga really wasn't much better.

There are other ways to enjoy characters and express it than just stating misinformations though, can be done without asserting that personal favorites are more important than others (also extends to those deeming Demons more than tertiary - as MC instead). Obviously I know viewers would be often more focused on their favorite characters, but of course that's something really subjective in general, even if there's general consensus. While viewers may be focused on seeing how the favorite character performs, it won't change who's the actual protagonist, which is something objective. And I don't meant that Snipe doesn't have suffering, but I personally don't think that his is higher than other characters such as Ex-Aid, just on par.

Guess I misjudged you here, though to explain, it came from how from my experience, yeah crying do get used often as an insult and hate for characters, there'd be quite a big number about patronizing complaints and rants in regards to crying characters, though dunno if it's just them being loud (though the insulting part still remains). Also just to say, yeah regarding the cool characters, Tendou does have vulnerable moments, like if he interacts with Hiyori, just saying that those I refer aren't devoid of it.

It depends, there can be those who take some characters and narrowly define them based on one action or event, to the exclusion of other, often more important, actions of that character, of which being a screamer (in a cringe way), and crybaby, or other stuff seen as major embarassing moments, such as characters losing a fight thus "weak", can be some examples, of which some people can endlessly bring up that, and only that, to make fun and degrade them, passing those off as fact but not actually, more like it seems as if some people just haven't been paying attention.

Yeah, there can be some possibilities ahead, perhaps that the current DGP being made devoid of rewards can make him open his eyes, though it's not the first time the series has established genuineness, like how the JGP before also had the "antagonistic" Riders genuinely protect people because they want, as 'questioned' by Chirami (but he accuses them as half-heartedly fighting without rewards). I don't specifically refer to him being genocidal for the extremist plan, it can be something like making them live in dystopian world (likely contrasts to Ace's utopia) or assimilating them.

Though regarding said interaction, maybe it depends on translation subs, but from what I catch I do think that the ep. 37 one have his argument being about just living and not being at stakes - which is similar to what you said about how Neon was peaceful when she started obeying Irumi, but she wasn't happy. But I thought he hates happiness in their interaction for ep. 31, blaming it as the root of all evil - and he has no problem bringing misery via the JGP, as long as it opposes the DGP, and we know that merely living doesn't mean fulfilling, but I know some people (those like him or some real life audience who makes defenses for those "not killing") do equate living or surviving as "not being miserable" (which I thought was what he said there).

Not Sh Ranger, but yeah ironically despite the point of the reset for some civilians, it's a common defense some people use for him to paint him as blameless that the civilians will get reset thus he didn't kill anyone (and somehow they can forget he murdered the Riders here to claim he never killed Riders or anyone). This also ignores how not all Rider fightings are DGP (this is the JGP, the ones who get reset after this are Jamatos, and Beroba explicitly stated that they will be used as sacrifices to fuel the wish for the JGP’s winner). And their targets being deserving one (including society or entire world) do often can make people forget their atrocities, thinking that they're small prices for the better outcome - the thing is I don't know why some people think these guys' plans will always work out perfectly if let be, and their plans are seen as the only one that can work for betterment, thus those opposing them (not strictly about Geats but various other media) are considred not getting the big picture to hinder that.

Geats Boost MK. XI is a phenomenal suit with a grand debut and a fantastic episode.

Now we move to the present (since I caught up), and now we got fleas- I mean, Jamato in fun-size. I've also noticed in the Opening, the writing on the Desire Grand Prix cards are different, now reading "who gets a happy end?" "who doesn't get a happy end?" (I probably wrote them wrong, but that was the gist)

Kekera and Beroba are here looking for some fun, while the Game Producers are now out to snag their Navigator back. Also, shout out to Niram for standing up to Suell.

Next Episode: "My sister is dead. Now check out my new form." "Hiro Kagami?"

Niram is very funny and ridiculous in his hypocrisy. He was not at all embarrassed to deceive the riders, as if they were fighting to save the world, but as soon as he found out that he, too, had not been told the whole truth, he became indignant and offended.

I think that even Michinaga fans hardly consider him flawless. Rather, they just like him more than the rest of the riders in the show. Personally, I can't help but be touched by the fact that two riders had to be added to the plot, whose main task for most of their episodes was to think instead of Buffa.
And I also want to mention the numerous betrayals from Michinaga. He betrayed Merry, he betrayed Beroba, he betrayed his Jamato friend and, in a way, he betrayed Nadge. Of course, one can argue that all these characters are villains, but personally they did nothing wrong to him. However, the show didn't give him the opportunity to betray the Geats during their collaboration, which means Michinaga is likely to get away with it.