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EpsilonX 11-12-2015 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Shin Henshin (Post 559434)
all the villains except maybe Kyuuemon are boring and don't do much other than stand there and monologue
Gabi Raizo was pretty cool but they wrote him out too fast. I wish they kept him around longer, especially since everybody was still so weak when they beat him... The strategist guy seemed like he could be interesting at first but hasn't really done anything, and the wife girl whose face is split horizontally is absolutely grating.

Dormamu 11-13-2015 11:24 AM
I've enjoyed it so far, but I've stuck with it purely for Kinji. Also, I have a heart for Fuuka.

Unfortunately I feel like the mecha designs are pretty weak, just slamming together as many things as possible. Same for the MOTW designs. Just blah. One thing that was just sublime last season was the Shadow Line and the Kurows, which makes it hard to top.

I'm glad they stopped making every story about Takaharu who does absolutely nothing but scream about how hot things are, and still manages to be the best through brute force. The only singular time I felt there was anything to him was the one episode that showed him practicing late at night with Fuuka, where he appeared internally driven.

At least King's (Kyoryuger) story line was a little more humbling for the second half. Right (ToQger) suffered the same problem, very little depth. I will still contend that over the last couple of seasons, Captain Marvelous (GoKaiger) and Takeru (Shinkenger) have been the better Red leaders, because their characters were not one dimensional. Hiromu from Go-Busters really doesn't rate either, since his issues were more fowl than the others.

ScrapMetalRaider96 11-13-2015 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dormamu (Post 574623)
I've enjoyed it so far, but I've stuck with it purely for Kinji. Also, I have a heart for Fuuka.

Unfortunately I feel like the mecha designs are pretty weak, just slamming together as many things as possible. Same for the MOTW designs. Just blah. One thing that was just sublime last season was the Shadow Line and the Kurows, which makes it hard to top.

I'm glad they stopped making every story about Takaharu who does absolutely nothing but scream about how hot things are, and still manages to be the best through brute force. The only singular time I felt there was anything to him was the one episode that showed him practicing late at night with Fuuka, where he appeared internally driven.

At least King's (Kyoryuger) story line was a little more humbling for the second half. Right (ToQger) suffered the same problem, very little depth. I will still contend that over the last couple of seasons, Captain Marvelous (GoKaiger) and Takeru (Shinkenger) have been the better Red leaders, because their characters were not one dimensional. Hiromu from Go-Busters really doesn't rate either, since his issues were more fowl than the others.
That's the thing with me, we've gotten the idiot/dumbass Red's for the past 3 years, and it gets really annoying.If Jooger fixes anything, aside from the mechs and the villains, it has to be Red.

ZeoRangerV 11-13-2015 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Dormamu (Post 574623)
Hiromu from Go-Busters really doesn't rate either, since his issues were more fowl than the others.
*Slow clap* Very nice :D

Sunred 11-13-2015 05:31 PM
The recent eps were alright.

EpsilonX 11-14-2015 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ScrapMetalRaider96 (Post 574628)
That's the thing with me, we've gotten the idiot/dumbass Red's for the past 3 years, and it gets really annoying.If Jooger fixes anything, aside from the mechs and the villains, it has to be Red.
It seems like this has been a trend throughout Sentai history. Sure, you have strong Reds like Ryu, but then there's a bunch of idiots like the guy from Megaranger (I can't remember his name)

Why does this trope exist?

SanoBaron 11-14-2015 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by EpsilonX (Post 574898)
It seems like this has been a trend throughout Sentai history. Sure, you have strong Reds like Ryu, but then there's a bunch of idiots like the guy from Megaranger (I can't remember his name)

Why does this trope exist?
because adolescents aren't always the brightest, and it's those characters that always grow to become smarter, like children.

children make mistakes, those characters make mistakes. they're relatable to kids.

like, Takeru probably wasn't as relatable to kids as Mako or Chiaki were.

EpsilonX 11-16-2015 11:38 AM
I've been enjoying it from the beginning, but now that I'm caught up I really like where it's been going, especially with Kyuuemon. I'm really interested to see where it goes from here, especially since we're starting to get close to the end.

EpsilonX 11-18-2015 09:24 PM
So, i've always wondered and Google has been of no help: what excactly does "wasshoi" mean in this context? Also, what are the exact words that Kinji and Taka use when they say "I'm getting fired up" "no hiding for us" and "hiding doesn't stop party night"? I'm gonna cosplay one of the two character and want to say some of their catchphrases, but I can't quite make out what they're saying.

Kamen Rider Lucha 11-19-2015 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by EpsilonX (Post 575910)
So, i've always wondered and Google has been of no help: what excactly does "wasshoi" mean in this context? Also, what are the exact words that Kinji and Taka use when they say "I'm getting fired up" "no hiding for us" and "hiding doesn't stop party night"? I'm gonna cosplay one of the two character and want to say some of their catchphrases, but I can't quite make out what they're saying.
I'm not the greatest at Japanese, so forgive me if I get anything wrong. But I'm pretty sure I'm pretty close on most of this...

Wasshoi is an exclamation that's sort of like when a pirate shouts "Heave Ho!" It's like, a call to work together, or a sort of self-congratulation that your group succeeded by working together.

"I'm getting fired up" is "燃えて来た" (moete kita). "Moete" literally means "on fire," and "kita" means "came." Given the context, Takaharu is saying "My 'on fire' came." But because that doesn't make sense, Over-Time translated it to something more colloquial.

Their opening cry is, "Shinobinare domo shinobanai! Shuriken Sentai Ninninjaa!" which literally means "even though we're shinobi (another word for ninja), we don't conceal ourselves! Throwing-Star Squad Ninninger." Over-Time translates it as "the shinboi who don't remain hidden! Etc..."

"No hiding for us, we're running wild," from what I can tell is, "shinobu dokoro ka abareru ze!" This is the one I'm least clear on. I think it literally means "Far from hidden, we're rampaging." (I think? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

"Hiding doesn't stop party night," is actually, "shinobinare domo Party Night." It literally means "even though I'm a shinobi, it's party night." Shinobi, in addition to being another word for ninja, means "concealed" and/or "hidden." This phrase is sort of a play on words which probably makes it difficult to translate.

EpsilonX 11-20-2015 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha (Post 576019)
...But because that doesn't make sense, Over-Time translated it to something more colloquial...

...This phrase is sort of a play on words which probably makes it difficult to translate.
Well, given that Japanese and English have extremely different grammar structures, if you do a word-for-word translation, what you're saying in one language won't make sense in the other one.

Anyways, thanks.

Riddler87 12-10-2015 02:58 AM
NO!

Startaiger 12-10-2015 08:21 AM
I dropped Ninninger after eps. 25.
It's not that terrible, to be honest, just there's nothing in it that makes me want to go on.
Last time I dropped a Sentai show was goseiger, after 9 eps., & it was far worse than Ninninger IMO.

EpsilonX 12-10-2015 12:43 PM
I've enjoyed it up to this point, but i'm ready for the main plot to kick into action, especially with only 10ish episodes left. Kibaoni Mangetsu definitely seems like he's going to be the catalyst for actual stuff to happen though, so I'm excited.

Sentai King 12-11-2015 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by vincheng2k5 (Post 582084)
So after marathoning about a dozen episodes of Ninninger, I think the show doesn't engage viewers because it doesn't apply its theme...like, at all. Sentai that have been popular by a majority (Gokaiger, Shinkenger, Magiranger) use the theme (pirates, samurai, magic etc) to illustrate a virtuous message (being a hero, standing by your friends, having courage).

Most of the Ninninger plots could be put into any other sentai and it still works - because most of the stories don't depend on the fact that the Rangers are ninjas. If you take a Gokaiger plot and give it to another sentai the heroes would just come off as jerks - Gokaiger works because the characters are arrogant pirates learning to become heroes. If you take a Magiranger story and give it to another sentai it doesn't work - because the whole point is demonstrating courage and learning new magic.

Before the show, it was pretty obvious Toei and Bandai were making this "Shinkenger 2." The look of the suits and even certain shots in the opening all mimic Shinkenger. The five sentai archetypes, while repeated almost every year in sentai, follow Shinkenger more closely than other casts even down to Chiaki and Nagi's jacket style with numerous badges.

Shinkenger used samurai to illustrate a story about loyalty to one another, which would also work great with disciplined ninja. When Ninninger's characters were announced to be family, it sounded full of potential. But most of the episodes don't show these characters acting like family - the characters talk about being related to one another, but there's no sense of caring for one another like in Magiranger. ToQGer felt more like a family than these guys.
I done watching this show can't wait for the 40th Sentai to start.

vincheng2k5 12-12-2015 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Sentai King (Post 581888)
So after marathoning about a dozen episodes of Ninninger, I think the show doesn't engage viewers because it doesn't apply its theme...like, at all. Sentai that have been popular by a majority (Gokaiger, Shinkenger, Magiranger) use the theme (pirates, samurai, magic etc) to illustrate a virtuous message (being a hero, standing by your friends, having courage).

Most of the Ninninger plots could be put into any other sentai and it still works - because most of the stories don't depend on the fact that the Rangers are ninjas. If you take a Gokaiger plot and give it to another sentai the heroes would just come off as jerks - Gokaiger works because the characters are arrogant pirates learning to become heroes. If you take a Magiranger story and give it to another sentai it doesn't work - because the whole point is demonstrating courage and learning new magic.

Before the show, it was pretty obvious Toei and Bandai were making this "Shinkenger 2." The look of the suits and even certain shots in the opening all mimic Shinkenger. The five sentai archetypes, while repeated almost every year in sentai, follow Shinkenger more closely than other casts even down to Chiaki and Nagi's jacket style with numerous badges.

Shinkenger used samurai to illustrate a story about loyalty to one another, which would also work great with disciplined ninja. When Ninninger's characters were announced to be family, it sounded full of potential. But most of the episodes don't show these characters acting like family - the characters talk about being related to one another, but there's no sense of caring for one another like in Magiranger. ToQGer felt more like a family than these guys.

I done watching this show can't wait for the 40th Sentai to start.
Users on Rangerboard pointed out this guy just copied and pasted my entire post, then added his own sentence at the end.

http://www.rangerboard.com/showthrea...72718&page=209

It's great when you agree so closely with someone else, but the guy could quote my post if that were the case. It's pretty poor form to steal someone else's ideas and words and pass them off as your own.

ZeoRangerV 12-12-2015 06:59 PM
Agreed.

Sentai King, either credit people or come up with your own posts. Plagiarism in any shape or form is not cool.

Paladin 12-12-2015 08:57 PM
I've only been paying attention on and off but... does anyone else feel like there's no end in sight for this show?

We're FORTY-ONE episodes in and the story hasn't really progressed at all. They're no closer to the role of Last Ninja and the Big Bad of the season is barely a footnote to the action.

Sentai King 12-12-2015 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Paladin (Post 582125)
I've only been paying attention on and off but... does anyone else feel like there's no end in sight for this show?

We're FORTY-ONE episodes in and the story hasn't really progressed at all. They're no closer to the role of Last Ninja and the Big Bad of the season is barely a footnote to the action.
This show is crap of course there no end to their filler eps every damn week this is the worst sentai ever made does not have many plot eps at all. Only a few here or there and that's it.

Galvantula 12-12-2015 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Paladin (Post 582125)
I've only been paying attention on and off but... does anyone else feel like there's no end in sight for this show?

We're FORTY-ONE episodes in and the story hasn't really progressed at all. They're no closer to the role of Last Ninja and the Big Bad of the season is barely a footnote to the action.
Honesty I think nobody's getting the Last Ninja title; it's all a big lie so Gramps has foot soldiers to fight his battles.

Even now in its 40s Ninninger just doesn't interested me and even its diehard fans are jumping ship on here. A crying shame too as it had promise and just never lived up to that. If this series and the next kill Sentai it won't come as a surprise to me.

Red5 12-12-2015 10:06 PM
I am still enjoying the show. I know I am in the minority and that is okay, but I think the show is entertaining and it is accomplishing its goal; entertain a young audience. Its good to just turn off your brain and watch. And the dance at the end is fun as well.

SanoBaron 12-12-2015 11:42 PM
I think for a writer's first time making a Sentai, it hits the basic marks of what a Sentai should be, they aren't trying to do anything TOO different, instead, they make a show that's fun to watch.

EpsilonX 12-12-2015 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Galvantula (Post 582154)
Honesty I think nobody's getting the Last Ninja title; it's all a big lie so Gramps has foot soldiers to fight his battles.

Even now in its 40s Ninninger just doesn't interested me and even its diehard fans are jumping ship on here. A crying shame too as it had promise and just never lived up to that. If this series and the next kill Sentai it won't come as a surprise to me.
My prediction goes to the dad, actually. My guess is that Kinji succeeds in getting his powers back for him, and he becomes last ninja.

As for the show itself, I'm surprised I like it so much considering what the problems people have with it are. Even though there isn't a ton of plot in the villain department (focusing more on character development and Kinji, but that has been changing lately) it has been doing the monster of the week style episodes really well. I don't mind filler when it's done this well.

ULSK12 12-13-2015 06:28 AM
Personally I just watch a Sentai for the action, the comedy and the robots. I did so back when I was a child and I still do so now. If a Sentai has a good plot, that's great, but it's not mandatory for me, really. If I must have a good plot, I'll read a book.

Not to mention the whole setup for the big plot doesn't exactly work in its favor. It'd be better if it was a show that ran on for several seasons; it's one of those that could make it happen by doing stuff like bringing in more Yokai factions or something like that, with Gengetsu's revival being delayed over and over again by the loss of fear due to you-know-who.

...actually, I'd be down for another year of Ninninger after Juohger. The Q5-Q8 mecha could all become one gigantic throne for HaOh Shurikenjin to sit in while Geki and the auxiliary OtomoNin decorate the thing. But that's just me.

Red5 12-13-2015 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ULSK12 (Post 582222)
If a Sentai has a good plot, that's great, but it's not mandatory for me, really. If I must have a good plot, I'll read a book.
This is exactly how I feel; I don't look to sentai for an amazing plot. I watch it purely for mindless fun. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Dr Kain 12-13-2015 11:02 AM
On the subjct of Nin, what episode is the DC blue ranger supposed to be appearing in? I'm on 37 and he has yet to make an appearance.

ElConvoy 12-13-2015 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 582241)
On the subjct of Nin, what episode is the DC blue ranger supposed to be appearing in? I'm on 37 and he has yet to make an appearance.
Hes right at the beginning of Episode 34.

ScrapMetalRaider96 12-13-2015 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Galvantula (Post 582154)
Honesty I think nobody's getting the Last Ninja title; it's all a big lie so Gramps has foot soldiers to fight his battles.

Even now in its 40s Ninninger just doesn't interested me and even its diehard fans are jumping ship on here. A crying shame too as it had promise and just never lived up to that. If this series and the next kill Sentai it won't come as a surprise to me.
So, if the Gobusters thing happens again, you think Toei and Bandai will go "yeah, you can skip this one"?

Dr Kain 12-13-2015 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ElConvoy (Post 582243)
Hes right at the beginning of Episode 34.
He was? Where? Does he do anything or is he just in the background? Because I don't remember them ever talking to him.

ZeoRangerV 12-13-2015 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 582269)
He was? Where? Does he do anything or is he just in the background? Because I don't remember them ever talking to him.
He's a civilian that gets attacked right at the very beginning. You can't really miss him because he's the only one speaking English.

Kamen Rider Lucha 12-13-2015 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ScrapMetalRaider96 (Post 582246)
So, if the Gobusters thing happens again, you think Toei and Bandai will go "yeah, you can skip this one"?
I think the Ninninger footage has a ton of western appeal, and its toy line has been very successful. I'm fairly confident Bandai and Saban will adapt Ninninger.

White Tiger 12-13-2015 09:07 PM
I have not been enjoying Ninninger. The problems I had with the show was Takaharu's comical acting like whenever he is excited, he overdoes it by shouting to the ceilings. It makes it hard to feel for a character that feels more like a cariacture.

Yakumo's dislike for ninjas was not explained and the show didn't explored his mysterious wizard skills such as how he obtained it and his connection to it. The wand that he welds look funny like he is holding a twig.

Dragomaru looked like a force to be reckoned with like the Dragonzord but felt underutilized in the Megazord battles. With the mechs being A.I, I would have liked it if Shinobimaru and the other guys like Paonmaru and Surfermaru could talk, giving them distinct personalities and making them interesting.

Starninger's revenge on the Werewolf Yokai was poor because in the megazord battle, the Werewolf just stood there waiting for the Mecha to kill him. No effort in some of the megazord scenes.

Kyuemon Izayoi being a male when she was a still a human was odd and was not mentioned why her gender changed. The Ninningers didn't seem surprised by it which is funny because you would think such a reveal would garner a big reaction.

I still think Saban will adapt Ninninger despite its poor source material. It is a strong theme, has beautiful ranger suits and yokai suits, and cool and unique mechs. The problem is the story and the characters, something that can be fixed with original footage. As for some of the weak megazord battles, we have seen original megazord footage for Dino Charge so hopefully that will continue for the Power Rangers version and aid the megazord battles to be better.

ScrapMetalRaider96 12-13-2015 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha (Post 582363)
I think the Ninninger footage has a ton of western appeal, and its toy line has been very successful. I'm fairly confident Bandai and Saban will adapt Ninninger.
How was ToQger in comparison?

Guyver Spawn 12-13-2015 09:37 PM
Just get Ludd Lynn back and I think a Power Rangers version of Ninninger will be better then it's Sentai counter part. I see people saying that they like Dino Charge over Kyoryuger.

ScrapMetalRaider96 12-13-2015 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Guyver Spawn (Post 582388)
Just get Ludd Lynn back and I think a Power Rangers version of Ninninger will be better then it's Sentai counter part. I see people saying that they like Dino Charge over Kyoryuger.
Anyone but Tzachor

Dr Kain 12-14-2015 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV (Post 582270)
He's a civilian that gets attacked right at the very beginning. You can't really miss him because he's the only one speaking English.
Okay, I went back and looked at episode 34 and all I can say is, 'IS THAT IT?!" With the way people were making a big deal out of it, I thought he was supposed to be a main guest star for the episode, not some random civilian that was on screen for the blink of an eye. That was completely pointless considering all of these Toku sites made a big deal out of it.

Guyver Spawn 12-14-2015 12:28 AM
He was there for fan service and that was it.

Kamen Rider Lucha 12-14-2015 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ScrapMetalRaider96 (Post 582384)
How was ToQger in comparison?
I don't think Americans will take to ToQ's footage or toys. Trains are not that popular with children in the US. My guess is they'll skip it, but that's just a hunch.

Guyver Spawn 12-14-2015 02:12 PM
It won't surprise me if skipping seasons becomes a pattern for skipping seasons.

ScrapMetalRaider96 12-14-2015 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha (Post 582473)
I don't think Americans will take to ToQ's footage or toys. Trains are not that popular with children in the US. My guess is they'll skip it, but that's just a hunch.
The Ranger suits are also another point of contention, even among non-toku fans.


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