Agreed I expect if the past mecha theme is true then they wil lbe INSPIRED by past mecha, unfortunately I can't help but think of Shurikenjin with its very mismatched elements. I know not matching was the theme, covering various aspects of japan but I still cant help but think of something like that.

As for the double esque half and half theme thats interesting if that makes its way into the mecha i could see maybe that be for the aux mecha and be a way to fit in a lot of the other seasons themes without needing AS MANY mecha. Like doing some half and half thing based on 2 similar seasons.

I would love if the motif and theme of the next sentai is just Mecha.

Okay so, if Zenkaiger's theme is inspired from mecha's from past seasons, do you think Hasbro would take notice? Of course all of this is too early to tell but I can't imagine Hasbro passing up on riding the nostalgia train

The problem with this idea is: how do you address the ToQger, Zyuohger, Kyuranger, Lupato, and Kiramager-shaped elephants in the room? If Zenkaiger is anything like Gokaiger, it’ll heavily reference the 10 shows that preceded it. Since only half of those 10 shows were ever adapted as Power Rangers, any Hasbro adaptation would run into a Super Megaforce-style “never before seen powers” situation on steroids. On top of that, Zenkaiger will almost certainly reference pre-Zyuranger shows, which means that original “new powers” situation is still in play too.

I’m not saying Hasbro couldn’t adapt Zenkaiger in 2 years, after Dino Fury. They totally could. But I’m of the opinion that the show will have too much baggage to work around for them to be extremely interested.

Yeah basically this, I doubt Hasbro is interested in trying to expand the Ranger roster to pre-Zyu more then Saban was in the short time frame they're given. It's basically a death sentence for any writer, you can't introduce like 20+ years of extra Mythos while also making your show about the current team. But you can't make a good anniversary series if every 2 episode you have to write around the fact that episode's focus was never adapted.

D'oh. You guys are right. Me just rambling about what Hasbro may or may not do based on those Toei split rumors.

Way more excited about Zenkaiger anyway than whatever Hasbro cooks up. The magazine preview goes up in December right ?

Which is hopefully why they'll learn NOT TO KEEP SKIPPING!!!!

I've always believed that these unadapted Sentai could still be used, even if it's in a reduced capacity (no Super/Season 2). Get the main brunt of them and then you won't have dumb issues like this again.

The other side of this is the possibility that an anniversary season convinces Hasbro to lean into that rumor (which I don't fully believe), and does its own thing and ignores Sentai for the foreseeable future. This is something that could and probably should be done, but not at the expense of foregoing the relationship with Toei. Take a break from Sentai if nothing else and lean into original material, then see if adapting a Sentai after that is a good idea.

I do wish Hasbro would bother to retcon the blunder that is Super Megaforce "New Powers"!

I think the lesson Hasbro has taken is the opposite. They're like, "Hey, Toei, we're actually gonna skip it all and do our own thing. K, thanks, bye."

It's obviously not a given that Dino Fury will be the last Toei adaptation, but when all signs point to Hasbro giving up on the Sentai-adaptation model for Power Rangers, you really have to start taking that proposition seriously.

Just a conjecture (also a prediction):

Seems like toei is (probably) repeating the colour schemes of the past rangers starting from the 1st super sentai, gorenger and their analogous counterpart that is kiramager

Gorenger - Kiramager (RBYPG)
JAQK - Zenkaiger (RBGP + W)? - yup no yellow
BFJ - ??? (R(W), B(W), G(K), O(Y), P(B)?
... etc

If this turns out to be true, the 50th anniversary super sentai will be following Goggle V - red, black, blue, yellow and pink

Why i think this way and the rationale behind it? Its because of the trademarks, rumours-infos and vague toylisting teasers from a magazine

1)The toylisting teasers from a magazines (and bandai) mentions about 4 unknown mecha surrounding a central mecha
2) reliable clues-rumours mentions explicitly 4 named past mechas and 1 vague new? mecha (mach)

Looks like toei is doing some kind of "rebooting" with the supersentai with the new era (reiwa) starting with kiramager.

Well mecha wise if they are BASED on past mecha IF hasbro doesn't break up with Toei I honestly dont see that acting as a barrier. Theres one thing to adapt mecha INSPIRED by past seasons, its another to fit in PAST teams that we've never seen before.

In theory- if the mecha are based on past mecha- why not just ignore the anniversary aspect for a PR season. OR if we have to find some way to work the skipped team in do something along the lines of Saikyo battle. Say a online only 4 ep special that sorta looks at some teams in other planets/dimensions/timelines.

Hell i think that would of been a perfect way to solve the "never before seen" BS as well. We know the comics gave us some explanation for Super Sonic(fiveman). Why not do a few shorts that use a mix of archived footage from the seasons and a few random actors. OR hell that'd be a perfectly acceptable animated mini series in my opinion.

What's with this new train themed mecha-
Option 1 Bullshit it and say its based on Travellion, Railmax, or uh what was the one from RPM? Its not like ToQger is the only season with a train mecha after all. Cube animals might be harder to bs of course.

Option 2- via a series of 5 minute shorts- maybe even a "motion comic" style to save on animation costs. Get some glimpses into multiple worlds and such. Jetman rangers could be from a race similar to Zenowing from Dino Charge- maybe they are FROM the same universe as the dino charge rangers just from say Avian 4 or something like that.

How do we deal with the Squadron suits? simple again drop them on some other planet and instead of using the thunderzords we know they use aura constructs shaped like some slightly altered verisons of them. So Squadron red goes into battle inside a giant red aura dragon instead of on a flying red metal dragon. Maybe they were Rangers from eltar or something even and thats why Zordon based the white ranger powers on their designs feeling a little homesick.


But yeah theres ways to get past the anniversary roadblock i feel. Especially if the mecha are more inspiredby thme like ow Boukenger villains were based on past mecha - Ryuwon for example was based on Daizyujin.. the series didnt dwell on that no one in boukenger was like "OMG he looks like the Daizyujin" The real issue will come in if the sentai gear have say the ToQger helmet on them or something thats a LITTLE harder to work around but again all they'd need to do would be set up a website that either has a motion comic, or hell just do mini profiles for these mystery teams. Acknowledge them name thier world dont go TOO in depth so if you want you can revist them later.

"The Bird Rangers of Avia 4- A team of rangers from a distant world, they protected their home world from (Insert villain group name here)"

But yeah IF hasbro is indeed stepping away from toei after Dino Fury S2 then this wont matter at all. If they aren't well we can only hope that IF Zenkai is sentai reference heavy then we get some sort of brief descriptions of these other teams since that I think is what made fans mad. I mean I think i read something like SMF blew the budget reshooting stuff early on so they couldn't afford to reshoot where it mattered (namely scenes with the squadron rangers and such) But even including the Pre zyu stuff I dont think would of been an issue if we had gotten some sort of blurb bout each one. Even if it was just on an official website. We know earth isn't the only world with rangers the Aquitar Rangers, and Trey of Triforia prooved this.

Since they did Beast Morphers after Ninja Steel, Hasbro has shown they can adapt Sentai seasons in a different order than the order they aired in, though I assume they still wouldn't adapt a really old season, just to avoid the designs and effects looking dated.

So if Zenkaiger does have literal references to past Sentai (instead of just having design nods to them like Boukenger's villains or the Lupin Collection pieces), Hasbro could just go back and adapt the seasons Disney skipped, and save Zenkaiger until after that. That approach could even let them plan more and put foreshadowing from one season to the next, and really build up the shared universe leading up to Zenkaiger.

Alternately, they could adapt Zenkaiger first, and explain appearances by skipped-over Sentai as either rangers from the future, rangers whose stories haven't been told yet, or brand new rangers whose chronological first appearance is their Zenkaiger-adaptation cameo, using that season to build up hype for future PR seasons or spin-offs adapting those skipped Sentai. Kinda like how some heroes in the MCU first appeared in some other hero's movie or an Avengers crossover before getting their own movies.

I'll add that personally, I find all this crossover and shared universe stuff exhausting and would generally prefer things to be self-contained, whether it's Japanese toku, Power Rangers or American superheroes. But there's no denying that crossovers sell really well, and if they're going to do it (which they might not), at least there are interesting ways they could approach it.

That's... not going to happen. The way it stands, there would need to be 5 more series adapted before Zenkaiger would make any sense. Each recent adaptation takes 2 years to cycle through. So it would take 10 years AFTER Dino Fury ends (12 years total) before adapting Zenkaiger is reasonable.

I suggest we get this thread back on track. This thread is not about Power Rangers adaptations, it's about Zenkaiger rumors.

Another prediction for zenkaiger. What if the theme is chess pieces:

King - red (daizyujin)
Queen - pink (magiking) - female
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Bishop - white (new mecha) - female (or non human female like an alien, android, mascot etc)
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Knight - blue (daibouken)
Rook - green (gaoking)

What about any of the rumors make you think this will be a chess themed series? :confused:

🙄 why not? This just a prediction. You can make your own prediction if you want to...

Quoting my previous post- the prediction is based on my post of what if zenkaiger is like jakq at least in the colour scheme. Jakq is a playing card theme, why not zenkaiger is based on chess pieces - both are games.its like some sort of acknowledgement of the past sentai like what kiramager did with gorenger. There are some elements that the kiramager are very similar with the gorenger mainly the suit colours and teamwork.

Also that youkai rumours was found out to be likely not true. That just leave with bugs, animals, vehicles plus others...

We're all gonna have eggs on our faces if it turns out to be pirates again after all.

I think a compromize between those two options would be best. Save it for the 35th Anniversary in 2027/2028 and use the four years after Dino Fury to adapt two more skipped Sentai to make Zenkaiger easier to adapt and more profitable.

Personally, I would like to see either Zyuohger or Kyuranger which could have crossovers with SMF and Captain Chaku respectively, followed by LupinPatren, which is perfect for Nick's stupid 2 year format and the Lupin Collection could be a precursor for the powers used in the Zenkaiger adaption.

Back to Sentai, I haven't actually talked about Zenkaiger yet but I mentioned before that I would like to see the Sentai equivalent of Zi-O. If this is it, I'm intrigued to see how it looks.

I think like zio sentai will have something similiar like riderwatch to transform into past ranger and for that RBGYP scheme is good

As far as power rangers is concerned I hope dino fury finshes in 1 year, and in next channel better if they adapt two different sentai in 1 year like
21-Dino fury
22-Zyuohger, Kyuranger
23-Kiramager, Zenkaiger
24- 2022, 2023
As far as toqger is concerned since trains are not that much popular in america, they can make them alien rangers like a 10 episode mini series lupat also they make mini series thats better

You think it's a good idea to compress LupinPatren, a show with 2 Sentai, in to 10 episodes?

....

Huh?!

My thoughts exactly, LuPat could in no way work as a mini series, neither could toqger, or any recent sentai. Way too much content with form changes, mecha, and character arc to compress into 10 eps. No recent sentai can be shortened that much, they are made with enough content for 25-35 episodes. I also believe theres is no way to feasably adapt 2 series in a year, thats ludicrous, it takes the production crew a year to finalize 1 series, no way in hell they could do 2. And Kyuuranger has way too many rangers to even try to do it as a second super season, what would the context be for all the additional rangers and how would they all get adequate screen time?

About zenkaiger, its more than likely that it will be another gokaiger situation with the legacy based powers. Bandai has shown a love for rail based encoding on their collectible gimmicks as well as going overboard in legacy seasons. It's more than likely a keybased gimmick, (not literal keys since gokaiger did those) like what they had for marvel disc wars and yokai watch. Something like those could easily fit in a morpher as well as be cheap and easy to produce for gashapon and candy toy, as well as stand apart from the gimmick items of previous installments.

With the mecha i highly doubt a splitting gimmick with the machines. Bandai always spends more, and produces more merchandise during anniversary seasons. That principle coupled with the recent trend of cost cutting and lower parts count with their sentai products, it would require a lot more plastic to engineer a combining mecha that homage 5 distinct series and then also have a splitting feature. With the amount of paint on each vehicle to the stability of the mecha when splitting it, it would cause issues with the mechas structural stability and cut into profit.

Maybe they do something crazy like that, it would be pricey and the engineering would have to be done a specific way, but it may help boost sentais' stagnating sales and reignite interest in the brand. But who knows. Just my two cents.

LuPat was a failed experiment, case closed. Even though it seemed interesting at first, the story was great enough to win an award in Japan, and the easter eggs were abundant, it failed. It basically brought down the franchise sales-wise doing less than Ninninger if I recall.

A prediction has to be based on rumors or some form of evidence. Nothing that we've heard about Zenkaiger gives any notion of a chess theme. It's only been machines, machine world, and suits paying homage to previous mecha. No chess. What you stated isn't a prediction, but more in line with a hope or a guess.

Also, your use of JAKQ makes no sense. JAKQ was themed after playing cards, from the name referencing the jack playing card and each ranger suit referencing a different playing card suit. It made its playing card theme obvious. But as of yet, nothing of what we've hears about Zenkaiger gives the impression of a chess theme.

Ryusoulgers mooks and monsters had very pevalent chess themes though.

Gobusters was a commercial failure as well but that didn't discourage Hasbro from trying to improve on it. Their DX Beast X Megazord has much more accurate proportions than Bandai's DX Gobuster Oh. I think Hasbro could learn from the mistakes Bandai made with LupinPatren and improve on it.

It did fail worse than Ninninger sales wise and the writing went nowhere. But the gimmick was fun and worthwhile. I feel like the shows poor writing and indecisiveness on what it wanted to be killed any interest ppl had, ultimately killing the toys, which were pretty good, although that final combination was hot garbage with its connection points and design.
I feel that just like how saban made Ninningers footage a success as Ninja Steel, Hasbro could have luck doing the same with LuPat. They did great with beast morphers and improved the megazord proportions, durability at connection points, and stability to a degree. Maybe they could fix Good Cool Kaiser and gives us an even better Kyurenoh, their iteration of Teramigo is shaping up to be a good indicator of hasbro's capabilities.

Yep. Though I still am skeptical about an adaptation, I can see it be a thing if they go vigilantes vs cops angle with it. That would be interesting instead of fidgeting the not-so-familiar phantom thief concept/trope I think. The whole phantom thief stuff is more accepting in non-American regions probably thanks to hit manga/anime characters such as Lupin the 3rd, the Cat's Eye crew, and Kaito Kid, but even if Lupin the 3rd is a known property somewhat it doesn't feel that prominent in North America I think.
But yeah, I remain skeptical but repurposing them as rogue vigilante rangers could be somewhat plausible that could retain the core concept of LuPat without bringing negative connotations from the potentially concerned.

Im mean they could have 2 groups one selected from an agency and given changers to become pato and then a rag-tag group of outsiders that become vigilantes as lupin. It could be done, but it would face the issues lupat did with balancing both teams and their development.

Ehh, that's for the writers to stress over, not us. We're good. :lolol

They even went through the trouble of making a suit for PatKaizer Splash and it never got used. That's just sad.

They did? How come it was never used?

Yeah. It was originally planned to be used but they gave it to the Lupinrangers instead to capitalize on their increasing popularity.

See that's my biggest gripe, imo they made the lupinrangers cool and fun, and made the patrangers boring and unlikable in comparison. It really sucks that they couldn't balance the two teams and that they made last minute changes to favor one over the other. I think these issues along with the plot really helped kill toy sales for pato. I can still find tons of pato in the market, but no as much lupin.

That said, Patren 1 is one of my favorite Red Rangers ever. A lot of heart and passion in my dude Keiichiro. Also has his dorky moments as well. :lolol
The casting director was spot on to choose Kousei Yuki to play the role.

I've never understood this line of argument. Patren #1 was absolutely as likeable and well-developed as Lupin Red -- he had almost as many focus-episodes -- and the two were ideal foils for each other. Patren #3 was infinitely more well-realized than Lupin Yellow, who was basically just the "cute young girl" archetype (I understand a lot of dude fans have a boner for Lupin Yellow's actress, which is super gross as she was 17 when the show was filmed, but that does not make her an interesting character). I'll grant you that Patren #2 was far less compelling than Lupin Blue, but having a weak comic-relief green ranger is almost expected for any Sentai team.

The reason Lupato's toy sales were low is because those toys were really fucking boring and had no relationship to the teams' overarching motifs. (I don't care how many padlock dials you stick on them as an afterthought, jets make NO SENSE for a team of Phantom Thieves.) The reason the plot petered out is because the villains had no concrete agenda or interesting motivation to drive the story forward. All of Lupato's problems can be traced back to those two elements far better than they can this supposed problem of character imbalance.

Somehow this notion got stuck in the ear of fandom, and no matter how much distance we get from the original broadcast, people can't seem to disabuse themselves of this unfounded critique. There are plenty of things to criticize Lupato for, but character development was arguably the show's greatest strength.

Those suits were pretty modular, so it couldn't have been that hard to create a PatKaizer Splash variant. It's not like they had to build any new pieces -- all they had to do was swap in the arm module that they used for LupinKaizer Splash Magic.

Bringing the conversation back to Zenkaiger -- because this is a Zenkaiger thread, afterall -- I think the modular nature of mecha suits is extremely conducive to the half & half swap-out gimmick that's been rumored. Also, they're going to have to build a bunch of mechs anyway -- why would it be any more of a challenge to base them on past mechs as opposed to, like, beetles or whatever?

Y'know, after all the talk of "Sentai is dying and that's why Saber has Sentai elements transferred over like the RBY riders, the ED and being double billed with another Rider summer movie!!!", I would love a Sentai to be bug-themed to hear the exact opposite claims :lol

Ok let me rephrase, i hated pato red, not the team just red. Patorangers motif wasn't that likeable, and the suits weren't as stylish as the lupin team. The sales , as meager as they were, were always in lupins favor bc of the motif being more appealing than patos. And planes are pretty sound vehicles for these phantom thieves. They could steal something, shoot out a plane and off they go, no traffic.

The sales have a lot to do with the show, thats why the show was made, to sell toys. If kids hated the show, the toys wouldn't sell. The plot went nowhere and the villains did next to nothing because the writing went nowhere, its was all about style over substance. The toys were also a radical departure, mixing a gun with trigger and dial based vehicles. I thought it was ingenious, but to each his own.

I think its odd you talk about making sense in relation to the changer. Kyoryuger used a gun and batteries to change, does that make sense? Sentai is whimsical, they get things to work that normally wouldn't, and have. To say that lupats morphers makes no sense is to ignore their intent. Lupinrangers unlocking their powers, the parangers firing their powers, since cops use guns. Kyoryuger did something similar, mixing guns and batteries, even if everything is covered in dinosaurs, its still guns and batteries, those dont normally go together either.

Also, kids don't care what makes sense, they care about how cool something is, that the show its from is cool, and that the toy is fun. The toys were fun in my opinion, but the shows plot was garbage and handled poorly, regardless of its high points and character development. if the storyline isn't head somewhere, everything in it is null. Kids didnt like it and the ones that did favored lupin for the cool factor and motif.

I get that many people like pato, i hated red, green and pink were alright. As you said Lupin yellow was generic, i didnt care for her, and lupin blue was cool as was red. The real star for me was x. As mishandled as the plot was, i loved the character and his mecha, his gun was trash but still cool with the allegiance switching gimmick.

And the upgrades were also more in number for lupin. Lupin got more spotlight.

As for zenkaiger, i orrated my thoughts on the last page. A splitting gimmick would be costly what with all the other joints and the gattai connections.

Man i hope zenkaigers mecha aren't puny. Relly hate the whole downsizing of mecha in recent years . Hopefully if zenkaioh is the same size as recent mecha, he's chonky and feature filled. With an anniversary season, i hope they pull gokaiger levels of great toys.

But toqger I think it will adapt in a mini series like kakuranger also had chracter arcs, different forms mecha, they skipped some of that to make mini series since trains r not that popular in US like they showed ninja to aliens, they might shows trains to something else, lupat considering it will be perfect for 2025 may have cross over with SPD
Production crew had many options to adapt which sentai they might finalize easily half year for one sentai another half for another sentai as far as kyuranger is concerned it had not done well because only few kyuranger got chracter development and back story in kyuranger imo they could make all rangers robots and aliens not humans they will need only voice actors with all having same backstory back story

Zenkaiger having gimmicks like gokaiger and also they have for mecha separately like ranger keys they put in mobirates to transform and in mecha coxkpit they have some key holes where they put a key to transform the gattai, though i think they might have separate this time one type of collectibles with morphers and another type with mecha

Sigh, its just a fun prediction. You said the chess pieces doesnt give the impression for zenkaiger as of yet, i could also said the same thing with youkais, animals, dinosaurs and others (except for vehicles and maybe bugs because insects are known to construct nests hence construction=machine). Also legit leaks are miniscule to say at least so far, so almost anything could be a "theme" for zenkaiger.

I chose chess pieces because of how jakq works and its formation. Also toei havent done chess pieces as one of its main theme so far. My prediction with zenkaiger got nothing to do with jakq themes. I believed its the only sentai so far to have a core of four members + big one. I dont consider big one as a core member. He's more like a "sixth" like starninger or zyuoh the world. This lead me to speculate what if zenkaiger have been following the same pattern as jakq like what kiramager did with gorenger. Kiramager colour scheme and rank is the same as the gorenger.

Chess pieces could work because they could use the past sentai robos or mechas act like a chess pieces during their fight against villains, big or small. Say for an example a blue knight zenkaiger have a set of boukenger mechas at his disposal using the zenkai gears and what have you. He could use it to formed daibouken or mix and match with other vehicular theme sentais like turboranger or kiramager...each chess pieces represent major themes of the super sentais like dinosaur based ss or magical based ss and so on

Red - king (daizyujin) - all dinosaurs and prehistoric animals based super sentai
Pink - queen (magiking) - all magical/mythological based ss
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White - bishop (mach) - zenkaiger very own mechas and other mechas that doesnt fit with the other 4 categories
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Blue - knight (daibouken) - all vehicular based ss
Green - rook (gaoking) - all existing animal beast based ss

Notice it has the same colour schemes as jakq...

So what if this turn out to be wrong? Its just a prediction ^_^

This is too long....

But we already narrowed it down to the show being themed around machines and that gears will most likely be the gimmick items though. *scratches head* That said, a four-member team could be refreshing. Have not had one of those since Abaranger that is for sure, sans tsuika and bangai senshi characters.