Then it will be perfect as a base and final forms. By the way, yes, the High Arcans are more likely to be gimmicks, because I have a hard time believing that we will get 22 unique monsters in the show. Most likely, only cards with pictures for the role of the villains of the week will be limited, so that later they can repaint the costume and present it as a card of a different suit.

By the way, this is what the neural network gave me at the request of Kamen Rider Gotchard:
https://cdn.gencraft.com/prod/user/8...K3RDDB1TZ8BHT8
https://cdn.gencraft.com/prod/user/8...K3RDDB1TZ8BHT8
Something is a little bad with her tokusatsu, given the visor instead of bug eyes.
Tried to fix:
https://cdn.gencraft.com/prod/user/8...K3RDDB1TZ8BHT8
https://cdn.gencraft.com/prod/user/8...K3RDDB1TZ8BHT8

If tarrots are used i can see this


Fool-Protag

Magician-Secondry Rider

Lovers-The female rider and the main char's love


emperor or emperoress-The rider who follows rules, but is a alley to the team even later joining the team fully


Then you got judgment,justice and world most likely these be forms for the main chars

Who knows the main rider could use all three, but later hands them over to other riders and it acts as their true final forms with world being the main chars


Then you got the extra tarrot cards not in the main deck
Aeon, joker, hunger,hope and a few others

Then you also got the small ones like the swords,cups,wands

Oh also Devil and death most likely play as our final villain/main villian

Lovers is usually not about romance at all and Death is just as often a positive card as it is a negative card.

As a someone who uses Tarot Cards daily to make her living, this thread is just painful af right now.

To be fair, Death inverted makes a good foil for what I'm hearing about how the fool can be the main protagonist.

Personifying the latter half of the Major Arcana at all is distinctly off since they?re concepts, not characters. Death doesn?t represent a person in readings, but an event. It would be far better used as a power up for the main character as Death?s meaning is simply ?change?, in its purest form.

In any case, based on the listings so far, the chances of it actually being arcana based is exceedingly low.

If a berserker form comes into fruition on Gotchard, I so wish something that makes the main rider go psycho and kills like an animal without mercy.

This isn't personifying, as i said before if you read. I said Fool is about the journey and unlimited potential

If we go by rules while making a story. The fool would best fit the protag. As the protag is going through a journey as a kamen rider and our main char and cause unlike the others he will have more forms and form skills. It also ties in with the unlimited potential

Its merely a conpect of a idea no one is personifying. Besides if the moif is about tarrot cards they need to have the cards be tied to chars

If you don't then everyone can use the power ups or base forms which just gets chaotic

Bro what the fuck

Yeah, damn, once again Henshinzero, I gotta ask. You ok? Your getting a little concerning

Yeah I'm ok.

I'm just hoping for a psycho form for the main rider to suffer in until the time to shake it off for a boost.

Just thinking Inuyasha's situation.

But I'm alright. I guess I just enjoy some killer instinct somewhere in KR.

Will you please dial back on this craving for violence? Have you not notice how it's very offputting for several members here?

That too. :lolol

I take it that the AI has had enough Gatchaman stored in its database to do this. The color scheme is totally G5 Ryu the Owl or Tiny for the BOTP fans.

Sorry. Bad habit.

In fact, the concept of reversed cards is perhaps the most convincing argument for Toei to use of the tarot motif. You can simply swap the shoulder pads and get a completely different character / form. You don't even have to bother with repainting.

Personifying a concept is the same as tying it to a character. Death represents change, not a person in someone?s life - this is why I said it would work better as a power up than as an edgy rival. The Death card isn?t any more negative than The Emperor is.

Other Riders would be better suited being based off of the Cards that represent figures in The Fool?s life - Cards I - XII. Cards XIII - XXI represent events or concepts, and so would be better off used as power ups or gimmick items.

They also do not need to have a character for every Arcana, no. Six Riders would be plenty, with the Twenty-Two cards split between them (most of them for the main character, obviously, knowing Toei and Bandai).

And power-ups are going to be shared. Every Rider show since Gaim has had at least some form of power-up sharing. You can think it chaotic all you want, but it?s still going to happen.

It would be such a clever way to change the meaning of the thing whilst not having to make a new suit, yeah. The Upright Lovers is about making a choice, whereas the Reversed Lovers is about feeling forced into a choice when there isn?t one. It would be so clever.

Once more i never said make the arcanas into people i implied make the arcanas into items

This means the fool would act as the base form for our main rider Gotchard

Also for reverse i think the reverse versions should be the monsters

So every Arcana has a reverse form that is a monster and not a rider. While at max i think six riders is enough

3 as the main trio 1 as the off and on team mate

and the final 2 as villains

You?re misunderstanding what I?m saying. I?m saying that a character with Death as his main theme doesn?t make sense for what Death represents. Death would be better as an upgrade form.

Let's just make sure I got this right. Death inverted represents stagnation, the immobility of a corpse, right? Isn't that a foil for the blank slate we know the Fool to be?

If Gotchard was a mix of tarot cards & lawyers, The Hanged Man can represent the new rider who's either a fugitive or a serial killer on the lose framing the innocent fugitive.

The Devil could be used as a berserker form or the dark rider's final form.

Death can be a villain rider, hell it some of the best villains were once good people who had something huge happen to them.

A rider's story of change and wanting to do something whos oppose to the ideology of our main rider.

Death can work so you are wrong on the idea it cant be used.

Hell Kaito Kumon is a perfect char from kamen rider who was the final villain and his story has every aspect of death arcana within it.

Dude just stop with the bloody berserker rider form crap. Also dude what is with you this Kr not Amazons, do you got some kind of fetish or something cause its really concerning you wanting hard for some super dark shit for the main series

Also there is more then just devil there is extra tarrot cards that exist if we wanted to do a evil main rider

we could the Joker the anti fool card and hunger

Aeon i feel would play more of a role as a universal upgrade like jimber lemon arms

Hell hope could be a rider form for a rider.

…clearly your knowledge of the Arcana begins and ends at Persona if you’re going to say things like that, so I’m just going to block and move on now, I think. Joker/Jester isn’t a real alternate Arcana - Atlus just made it up, and they also mistranslated Lust as Hunger…which no real deck does.

Wow going to be rude huh i just brought up a char from kamen rider whos story follows word for word the idea of the death arcana

Also i made a valid argument and you telling me my knowledge only ends with persona when i do know stuff about the arcanas

Maybe your not the die hard Tarrot card person you said you were

AND on top of that some of the tarrots i mention arent sure in the official tarrot cards but they bloody exist

Lust is hunger not sorry for not remembering on top of my head

Hell universe, art Adjustment also bloody exist

Alright I'm just out of control when I'm driven into hunger for the dark side of KR.

Sorry for that. At least Geats is feeling dark anyway.

Bruuuuh, thats really weird to say. Like, you are missing huge obvious reasons why a rider based on death makes actual perfect sense. I'm not gonna waste my time explaining to you in depth something that takes mere moments to google, Heres the obvious OBVIOUS clincher:

DEATH IS A CARD THAT REPRESENTS *DRUMROLlLlLlLlLlL*
TRANSFORMATION....
HENSHIN?
Henshin, anybody? Where have i heard henshin before... wait what is it that henshin means again... hmm someone should google that, its a real stumper.

Don't be a dick if you don't wanna get in a dick fight.

EDIT: Okay i cant stop myself, heres another obvious one from another direction:
Kamen rider Decade was sent to kill all riders. Like, duh? Like, very much duh? Like... I am become DEATH, duh? It hurts to think that you though you were in the clear to turn your nose up and snoot that someone doesn't know anything about something when you clearly dont know anything about anything. Lets pretend this didn't happen, for your sake.

EDIT: Okay lowkey egg on my face, should've read back further, because noone else in here knows what they are talking about either, you actually might know more but you're just hinged on a very particular reading of how the arcana would translate into a rider series, when the arcana are inherently meant to be interpreted by the person using them. The fool idea isn't a bad one, but Death as one of the main riders feels absolutely dope to me, and rich in storytelling opportunities. I see the card as possibly being able to represent a kind of antihero in the context of a transforming hero show, but i do agree it'd be a poor villain. I honestly don't really see it as a power-up, but i suppose if we were to toss it in at the death/rebirth stage of the hero's journey it does make a kind of sense.

This is probably gonna come across a bit harsh, but I feel like you're kind of missing the whole point of Kamen Rider. Kuuga episode 35. Build episode 21. Zero-One episode episode 43. The moments of Riders losing control isn't a cool or badass thing. It's a tragedy

A bad habit is when you smack your lips too loud, or you forget to put away a dish or two. Constantly talking about violence and how much you want to see a character lose it is not a bad habit. Unless the real bad habit is just you ignoring everyone who brings up how concerning and uncomfortable they are with this, in which case, yes, that is a bad habit.

And I hardly believe that "sorry" when the literal next comment you make in this thread is this:

Once again, please, relax, dial back on this craving for violence, and respect the people who aren't comfortable with you constantly mentioning your desire to see a Rider lose it and just violently eviscerate everything on a warpath. Stop trying to bring the topic of berserk forms up so often.

Like Fredbob392 said:

Wanton blind violence isn't supposed to be this cool thing you admire. It is quite literally shown as a negative thing, especially in the seasons where there're berserk forms. And when these berserk forms are finally controlled, that's when it's shown as a triumph.

dude YOU BEEN TOLD FOUR FUCKING TIMES and you keep GOING

At this point STOP SAYING SORRY your not sorry

That's enough, you guys, please stop arguing about fortune telling and stop harassing Henshinzero about his berserk form bias. We're supposed to be talking about Gotchard here!

*forget the rant*

Well, then I must say that this is the first thread of this kind where it has not yet been mentioned that the new rider will be similar to Build. And this despite the fact that two gimmicks are mentioned in the rumors and it is likely that Gotchard will use them together.

Gotchard sounds like the name of a fancy overpriced gourmet condiment.

Well, I recall fantasies about cooking season. Plus, even if it's not the main theme, we haven't had a chef rider since Kabuto.

As with every new season, it's more than likely that our early predictions will be wrong and we'll just have to wait for more information. That name sure is something.

As for the tarot speculation, I don't really think Toei would much care whether tarot enthusiasts find the representations accurate. Wouldn't certainly be the first time a Japanese series used a surface-level understanding of a mythology for its aesthetic qualities. Death is just way too obvious a motif for a villainous rider.

A chef main rider, you mean. Bravo from Gaim comes to mind as the most recent.

Here I was thinking it sounded like an erectile disfunction medication. :lol

Yes, main. Well, Bravo is still a confectioner, they are even trained separately. Confectioners among cooks are like dentists among doctors.

Well, to me, as a non-English speaker, Wolverine also sounds like a means for feminine intimate hygiene.