I've always never been a fan of the whole "tell me what shows are bad/what episode to skip" kinda questions tbh.

Like, everyone's tastes are different. As much as people want to believe, there is just not such a simple thing as "this is a bad show". Everyone's tastes are different, and they can come out with different perspectives when watching the same show.

My advice is simple, take a good long look at the shows you haven't watched without the opinions of others clogging you down, and watch which ones you think look cool.

There is no time limit, there is no pressing situation that requires you to get it all done in a short amount of time. You have all the time in the world, don't feel like you've gotta rush.

I would recommend anyhing besides Ghost, Zi-O and Saber. Those three I really didn't like.

If I had to rank the rest (from most to least favorite):

- Build
- Zero-One
- Ex-Aid
- Revice
- Drive

But I can say all of those 5 are worth watching.

Geats is very good so far, could potentionally end up on the top of my list. Maybe catch up on Geats and then watch and discuss it weekly if that's what you like doing?

Thank you for this! I did enjoy a lot of what I watched for Build once I got over the goofiness of his powers and the way they clashed with the wider show around them. Seems like a good plan to catch up on Geats and then try Build again.

I suppose that much is true, I dunno how much revisionism there has been during my time away, but when I was active here, it seemed like I was the only person who didn?t like Kuuga or Gaim but LOVED Wizard.

But since I don?t have unlimited free time and I enjoy other hobbies, getting a general consensus is still helpful, as then I can be more confident I am not burning hours of time I could be using on something else, in the vague hope I end up enjoying the show I picked.

So like, this is always a hard question to answer for anyone, but I'll give it a shot. You could always finish the ones you watched those big chunks of, which might be easier than starting a whole new show. I could also say what I think of every season, but that's probably not going to help much, since:

Ghost I haven't started yet.
Drive I thought was good, but I didn't quite finish it.
Ex-Aid is a really good one, which most people seem to agree on.
Build was my first season, so it's definately high on my list
Zi-O is apparently hit or miss, but at least I liked it. (It's definately good for more than just Woz)
Zero-One is one of my favorites, though it has some rough spots.
Saber I have exactly one issue with, the rest is great. (To me, you don't have to watch it if you don't like it)
Revice was kinda okay. It didn't score high for me, but it's far from the worst series ever. (Not that you could tell from how people talk about it)
Geats is pretty good so far. It's shaking up the usual Rider formula a bit, which I think is fun.

Given your list, not only is it much less than 10 shows, but simply giving any given one a shot doesn't have to involve sitting down and binging them from start to finish. Just try a few episodes of a season, and if you're feeling it, go for it. If not, drop it.

Also, going with general consensus really isn't a great idea. Just try whatever you personally think sounds or looks good.

Most of the ones I watched a lot of, it was around the time of their airing, so quite a few years have gone by since, so I?d probably start all of them from scratch regardless.

Thank you for this list though.

From memory, I don?t think there has been any Toku show I?ve watched that has hit a level of quality or rhythm early on, and then remained there for the entirety of the show. I mean that both good and bad. I really enjoyed OOO overall, for example, but had I made a decision just on the first few episodes I would have never continued with that show.

tbh General Consensus is changing too.

There is no singular opinion that stays the same. People didn't like Wizard when it first started, but nowadays people love it. Gaim was considered a smash hit but nowadays I'm starting to see more and more people take issue with it.

It's not as black and white as people make it out to be. People grow, opinions change. I've always whenever recommending Kamen Rider, never go by what people think are "good or bad", I always ask what kind of theme and suits tickle their fancy and then shove that Rider in their face.

Unless they're gamers, then it's either Ex-Aid or Geats for a smoother transition.

So what you are saying, is I was right all along? Take that whoever told me I was wrong when I was posting here regularly! (Lol)

I loved Ghost?s suit, but I hear that show sucks ass lol It seems to be one of the few modern Riders I have caught the consensus of (and it is negative, haha).

But yeah, I enjoyed what I saw of Ex-Aid, although I remember some of the later forms being horrible. I do actually think of what I have seen of Geats so far, it makes better use of gaming as a theme than Ex-Aid did, but maybe that is just because Ex-Aid was more old school gaming with a bunch of other random stuff mixed in for some reason.

Maybe Ex-Aid will be a good chaser for Geats after I catch up to that one.

I think its fair to ask around for opinions on shows, even if you don't align with the general consensus it can help to hear what people have to say when trying to pick out what to watch that might appeal to you.


That being said, the only two shows from that stretch I'd give a hard pass are Ghost and Revice, and even they have their charm. I have a tier list down in my signature if you are curious!


It might help people give better advice if you gave some details on what kind of shows you like the most and what elements you tend to love/hate in toku though.

Ex-Aid definitely is in your face gaming that's for sure, but the doctor theme is also very strong in the series and usually takes precedence.

Geats is very much the opposite lol, just with how the structure is organized makes it more game-like as well as how everything works. Granted, given that it was designed after stuff like Fortnite, PUBG, Fall Guys (They never cited this specific one but you look at the way it's structured and tell me otherwise), etc, probably helps a lot.

Out of all the Rider shows I?ve finished, my favourite elements I?d probably say are villains who are either other Riders, or Rider like monsters.

I can take either a goofy Rider or a goofy story, but I don?t like when they take a serious one and slap it on a goofy other, although if it is one extreme or the other, even if well balanced I?m not a fan.

I like weekly shows with overarching narrative. If it is nothing but disconnected of the week episodes I just feel like it feels like filler. But when it is properly serialised I find it can become quite slow, so I like shows that find a balance in the middle.

I like proactive, or skilled out of suit, Riders. I think Rider has far too many pretty boys in skinny jeans that I never believe are actually in the suit and are far too passive.

Amazons and Black Sun could be up your alley. If you liked W they also got an anime sequel recently in Fuuto PI

I actually recently finished Fuuto PI, really enjoyed it, but it felt like it ended right as it started. I also kinda wish they did more with it during action scenes, as you would think animation would set them free, but I am guessing they wanted to stay true to the show and the animation was very nice regardless.

Yup, Build is for you I think. Has one of my favorite villains, and he is a Rider too.

In general Rider does a LOT more villain riders these days. Every single series since Ex-Aid has had at least one

Hey, good to see you again. I remember chatting about Wizard with you back in the day.

I can at least give you my own thoughts, for what they're worth.

Drive: I feel like Drive is almost two shows. The beginning very much felt like a reaction to Gaim, going back to more episodic stories and swerving very hard into wacky comic relief characters. Then about halfway through it really finds itself and we get a more serialized story with some really good villain arcs and development for the main characters. I love the second half but have a hard time recommending the first.

Ghost: I fucking hate this show. It is basically all of the problems with Drive's first half but none of the successes of the second. The show burns through its main plot hook in the first 13 episodes and spends the rest of the series with no idea of what it's supposed to do now. The main comic relief character is easily the most obnoxious character we've ever had in a Kamen Rider series.

Ex-Aid: This show's aesthetic looks really weird, but it's one of my all-time favorites. The story is compelling, the characters are great, and it's the only modern series I've enjoyed enough to keep up with most of the spin-off material.

Build: Very solid show. The main villain is really good and I liked all of the major characters, even if there are a couple where it took awhile for the show to figure out how they best fit in. The story is fairly serialized and has some effective gut punches.

Zi-O: If you're going into Zi-O looking for fun tributes to past Kamen Rider shows and returning actors, it's really good and has some fantastic moments. If you're watching Zi-O to see it tell it's own engaging story with interesting heroes and villains, it is a major disappointment. How much you like Zi-O is going to depend a lot on how much you do or don't want to strangle the main character.

Zero-One: Zero-One starts off really strongly but runs into some pacing problems. Coronavirus hitting it about 2/3s of the way into the production also throws some major wrenches into its execution. Generally a good show but with some caveats.

Saber: Saber is like Drive for me. The first block of the show really suffers from having so many ideas and characters introduced almost nonstop, but once it settles down it becomes really good. It's very guilty of the action scenes being mostly just actors standing around throwing CGI at each other, though.

Revice: Revice is a show where your personal mileage is going to vary based on which characters do or don't work for you. It has a very Den-O gimmick and its version of Momotaros can be very off-putting. I think that the side characters are often more interesting than the main ones and the villains are all pretty bad.

Geats: I'm still making up my mind on this one. It made the unorthodox decision of making the title character more of a side character while focusing more on the secondary Riders' POVs. I'm still not sure how well that worked, but the recent plot developments have been really interesting.

All of the Evil Riders!

From what I remember that had two evil Riders right?

Hello again!

In regards to those shows in parts like Drive, Sabre, Zero One, would you say there are clear skippable blocks? Like could I watch X amount of episodes at the start which establish the characters, theme, world etc and then just skip ahead to the part where you feel the show picks up, or would I be lost?

If you mean the guys at the very beginning that have steam elements attached to them and use guns to transform, yes, but that's not who I'm talking about ;)

He comes in a bit later, but stays until the end.

OOOOOOOO hype!

No that's another show entirely.

https://i.imgur.com/Vk671Mk.gif

Counter argument, I watched Zi-O as my second season (first was Build, might as well keep going) so I didn't know any of the returning characters after like two episodes, and I liked it anyway. Watching those past seasons might have helped, but I think the characters have enough going on themselves for the show to work without.
also they're not remotely strangleable, please chill out

With Drive, that is definitely a viable option. A lot of the earlier arcs are just episodic mysteries with Mashin Chaser showing up about halfway through each episode to stretch out the plot with more fight scenes. Saber it's a little harder because the show really does frontload a lot of stuff that will be important later. It's definitely something that you can fast forward through a lot of scenes, though.

Zero-One has a pretty long stretch of episodes that's generally referred to as the "Job Competition arc." It is incredibly drawn out and repetitive and I think you could easily skip most, if not all of it by just reading summaries of what happened.

Build sounds like it would be pretty up your alley. Good villainous Riders and some proactive characters. Biggest issue you might have with it is the overly overarching plot, which can indeed drag a bit at times.

Random request, but anyone happen to have a link to the music that plays whenever Ohma Zi-O is on screen?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8GGC7J...puEAss&index=1

And

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3RIFl4...uEAss&index=38

Thanks!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uFnLRTf0GtA

This is an amazing video about Kamen Rider W.

I want to see a Kamen Rider whose main vehicle is a Segway.

That is all I have to say.

After Jet Man I would love to see all the Rider shows soon

Out of curiosity wentwood have you not seen a Rider show before?

If so, I recommend watching Kamen Rider Build. It's considered one of the best Rider shows for a reason.

And then afterwards I recommend going outside because, no offense mate but I don't think binge-watching all these movies and series is good for you! Binge-watching can actually negatively affect your brain so please do yourself a favor and take a break once in a while.

And then afterwards, I recommend watching Ex-Aid (i'm a bit biased towards Ex-Aid if my username is any indication).

***Someone FINALLY said the quiet part out loud. And possibly very true.
Edit: Not trying to sound like a jerk love Wentwood’s posts, but I am concerned about my fellow Toku fans

Personally, I would advise starting with something that is basically designed to be a start. That is, Ichigo, Black, Kuuga or Zero-One, depending on the tolerance for the old shows. But it’s better to just choose the hero that looks the most attractive to you, and if the first episodes don’t discourage you from watching further, then crossovers and additional content will inevitably lead you to the next riders.

If you were and your friends became Riders for the Desire Grand Prix, what kind of Raise Buckles would you create alongside Magnum, Ninja, Beat, Zombie & Monster?

I would go for a number of things!
ex.

• Vampire
• Dragon
• Nephilim
• Alien
• Cyborg
• Werewolf
• Elf/Faery
• Samurai
• Pirate
• Police
• Medic
• Mummy

I want a Basilisk-based power, mainly because I don't see those often and I want that to change.

What would be a good US/Canadian adaptation story for Geats? Somewhere in the lines of Hunger Games?

Maybe something in the style of "Ender's Game"?

I've heard Zero-One is a great intro series, so whenever I finally get around to watching it, I'm going to make my gf watch it with me as her intro to Rider :lol

Would you say Den-O is another good intro series? I ask simply because it was so popular that I'm sure it set the stage for a lot to come, and it's always nice to start with the original influence.

Honestly, considering most of the shows are completely standalone, I think any Rider show that looks interesting to you is a good starting point, even Decade or Zi-O if you want to start off with some samples of the other shows.

The only series I'd advise against is Ghost, because it will probably put you off the series all together.

Lol this adaptation stuff again?.Geats is fine (so far) how it is. What is the weird fixation on having adaptations for everything? I?m honestly curious,you never quit

Power Rangers is dying.

I feel Kamen Rider needs to shine now.