I'm rather astounded some still consider Tajador as the Final Form, even though we've had many examples of Putotyra being the official Final Form.

Tajador being important or not doesn't really matter, as we haven't seen watches for any other form in-show (though they could appear later). The Tatoba medal already gives him the power of OOO.

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There are final form watches coming out, which includes Putotyra. Again, was assuming they'd just be toys but anyone's guess at this point.

Much as I think Putotyra being considered the final form over Tajador goes against the thematic implications of the show itself, yeah; unfortunately official stuff right now seems to be very staunchly saying Putotyra is what they consider the final.
It does make me wonder about Heisei Generations Final. Just goes to show they got a writer who actually friggin' knew what the characters series involved were about rather than just cheap cameos. If only Zi-O could deliver the same...

Oddly, unlike past Legend Rider forms, the powers Zi-O gets are generally specifically tied to a single form, which is what makes the final form watches, or something like the Tajador watch, possible. The final form watches also are part of the DX line up, so they'd usually be in the show. The biggest point against it is just that they don't have armor designs there, but they could still appear in other minor roles, like finishers, or even summoning the Rider.

The only reason they did that was because Ryosuke Miura returned as Ankh as well. Better from a story perspective. If it was Hino himself they probably would have used PuToTyra. Then again, I don't think the purple medals exist any more so who knows.

Oh, they'd write a way around it. The movie had completely new artificial medals anyway, so...

Technically 3 purple medals just disappeared into the black hole in the finale, in spite of the others being destroyed. They didn't appear in Megamax even though Eiji was stated to have recovered all medals, but Putotyra was used in SHT, Ultimatum and Wizard's finale.

Putotyra is more a feral extra final.
But as OOO's and how it ties to Ankh, Tajador is the more direct final, with Putotyra as a fun add-on that was to help balance that(fun fact, was also a late addition in the design stage!). They are both "final forms" though tbh. Which is why we see Tajador with the Time Majin, and likely Putotyra later with a ride watch. In themes and story emphasis of OOOs, Putotyra vs Tajador is a sub-theme metaphor of Final form power vs final form power. Zi-O itself seems to highlight this by giving them both emphasis. The freedom to soar from Tajador through the ride gadget watch, and the enhanced form to break(power to tearer) through an extra ride armor as suggested above with potentially showing up later.

To ignore that is to completely miss the point of what OOOs itself was about, and the connotations of Ankh and many other sub themes to it. I'm rather astounded anyone wouldn't realize that. It'd take a complete imbecile to overlook that detail and not see it. It's there plain as day with their weapons and how those work too for that series. Where the two final forms work in opposing methods, creating a yin and yang balance to what they represent in effect to further highlight the poignancy of their story usage and the trade off involved in that essence for story effect(including film technique emphasis to the final form vs final form battle in what makes the difference, showing the man underneath with having something to fight for and how that tips the scales in two equal but opposing powers).

Outside of the main form's sword, those two forms were the only ones with enhanced side gear that was form specific(not counting movie exclusive stuff!). Were you even paying attention while watching it? Or did you not realize this through the push of their powers either of Fire and Ice as natural opposites? I would have thought that entirely obvious personally. Glaringly so. A phoenix and an iceberg. A creature of great mythic rebirth(that literally peacocks!), and creatures of extinction. That's, wow. How could you not see that. Are you trolling? You must be trolling. A really bad attempt at it. Baffling at that.

It is extra important though, because it does highlight that other forms/final forms are possible in the gear. Setting the tone for what you pointed out here with the toy pics.

Is anyone's guess, but I'd likely bet they will get used in show. As I said, being used in show sells more toys of it. While we do love the stories and the shows themselves, the main goal of a show is to sell toys to make money. That's literally the business model. Has been the business model for over a decade(dating all the way back to Faiz itself). That's not even a point worth debating. It was literally the point of the .5 episode itself about that. xD

It's rather rare that something is "toy only" and Zi-O is likely the first to have more than a rarity one. Even in past years, an item was used at least once in show or in side media to highlight it and give it better sales oomph(Faiz being a very prominent example of this with the Jet Bike). So it's very safe to assume anything you see in toy, may make it in show at some point. Granted some of it is also being tested as game merchandise to sell too. Easy to assume we'll see it in show, but don't be disappointed if we don't. It's very rare that there are "toy only" things in Sentai and Rider series though. Not saying it doesn't happen, but the frequency of that is extremely low, which is why Zi-O is something relatively new in that regard.

The fact we see Tajador in Ride Majin form though does greatly increase the odds of seeing Putotyra in Ride Watch form in show later. Parallels with markings like that in story builds you'd usually use one in one way so you can use the other a different way. And OOOs is one of those that does have technically two final forms to allow for that. Going off that obvious parallel style to use both pieces of material, it's easy to surmise that other final forms will likely show up too then. How many or which besides putotyra is anyone's guess.

Not trying to be mean. I think you're a smart person. But damn man, that actively made me face palm. You of all people I thought would make the connection faster. You're one of the smart people here to the point I wouldn't be surprised if Toei someday works in a gentle nod to you as a fan of their work. xD

Toy-only items are rare... unless we're talking about Legend Rider ones. Those often end up with many toy-only items. Zi-O is an entire line of Legend Rider items so far, so ending up with many toy-only items isn't odd.

Having said that, even among legend Rider items, generally the toy-only ones either are limited releases, or aren't DX items. So, the line of upcoming final form watches most likely will have some kind of presence in the show, since they're part of the main toyline - and, in fact, outside of Woz' three items, those are the only collectibles in the DX line in q2, so it'll be odd if the show just ignores them.

Have you ever considered that TaJaDor debuts in episode 20, and PuToTyra debuts in episode 32. There's none of this symbolism stuff underlying it, that plays into the story themes. As far as Toei's concerned, whatever comes in the 30's is the final form, since that's usually the final form they get (the final regular form, at least).

Also, toy-only sutff's only been rare since Gaim, since Wizard/OOO/Double has tonnes of Legend Rider merch that never saw televised procedure. Considering all the variations in Gachapon and SG ridewatches, I don't think there's much chance of them all being shown off. The final form ones are more likely, but when there's stuff like, say, Evol out there, it's a small chance.

Also, stay classy with that last paragraph.

@FerrousMaelstrom, Also my apologies if I came off too abrasive. I have some people on ignore because they aren't worth reading on what they say, so I may have misread your post, and for that I apologize.


With Build, sparkling is a mid-tier form. Build is a different kind of series emphasis though than OOOs. Build deals with the industrial war complex, and has a very literal arms race and the cost of fighting in the themes. Hazard form itself speaks to this, as does the gel system, and the aspects of bringing it all under control as we get to Rabbit Rabbit and Tank Tank, until finally reaching genius form. Build also deals in heavy sub tones of the cost of warfare and inventions on the inventor itself, and many other themes that all coalesce into each other to make for a very great show in itself. Each show obviously has their own builds and emphasis and how their individual tiers work. How that's going to translate to Zi-O for each series is half the fun of the show as a 20th series celebration to end an era and begin the next.

With that being said, how strong fan responses are to Hazard forms, we might see something on that later. For heroic standpoints though, Sparkling and Genius make the most sense for immediate likely in connotations of Zi-O and Geiz, besides other add-ons later and side material or other side riders. Some of which may or may not end up being toy only. But they did manage to work Genm into the show. So we could see more still too in the way of side rider stuff. But there is a lot that'll likely be game related only merchandise too because of each show's own inherent hype and fanbases.

Ehhhhh, what made Hazard popular was that it kept Build's diverse toolkit unlike the other upgrades and was shown to be an incredibly dangerous obstacle Sento had to overcome, even after Sento made some upgrades which cancelled out the berserk effect, he was still at risk of going berserk with just Hazard, not to mention Hazard's design is incredible as it doesn't just look cool but shows us it's not quite right and dangerous

Seeing this reminds me how red felt like quite the dominant color for the first decade of Heisei riders. Even the ones where red was not the main color there was at least a pinch of red somewhere on the suits, be it the eyes, markings on the suit, etc.

I think a big issue was the late Hibiki->Kiva era. It seemed like once toy sales slipped they doubled down on red for the main Rider, since they're used to red selling better due to Sentai.

All Hibiki upgrades were red, Kabuto, Den-O and Kiva were red. Even Decade likely only wasn't actually red because he'd be appearing alongside so many red suits, so they changed the tone slightly to make him stand out more.

Even before that red was featured pretty heavily. Kuuga Mighty and Rising Mighty, Agito Burning, Ryuki and Ryuki Survive, Faiz Blaster all featured Red in some major form or fashion. You're probably right though on Red selling better though.

I've read somewhere the Toei higher ups wanted to make Double red for precisely these reasons, and the designers had to appeal to Ichigou and Nigou for a green/black colour scheme. Of course, they also made Accel, so who knows.

Yeah, red is seen as a 'heroic' colour, which is why Sentai reds always get the most focus out of the team

So was the Decadriver always pink or?

I'm guessing it's an updated version; judging by the Heisei Phase 2 forms. Look out for a toy release soon

There's also an image of a golden warrior who seems to be a servant of Oma Zi-O and also Zi-O vs Oma Zi-O already. It's also confirmed we're getting many Decade armor mixes rather than only Build Sparking.

https://i.imgur.com/RVakH0D.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DhgCbxX.jpg


Also Another Kuuga is in the movie and it's a giant cg monster. The Kuuga Armor is there too.

Oh my god Inoue is back. I couldn't bring myself to watch Decade again but his actor is charismatic as fuck

More scans:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsmbR3MUUAAKTL_.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsmbTq0UcAEolmW.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsmbUdNUwAAn7h5.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsmbVHaU8AAVZ5B.jpg

Oh, lord, the forms are just the old suits with a big ol' Decade chesplate and shoulders on top
I think I hate it

Toei are trying to save budget.

I think the reused old suit still looks interesting with Decade power...

This officially makes the returning Rider lineup:

Sento Kiryuu/Kamen Rider Build
Banjo Ryuga/Kamen Rider Cross-Z
Emu Hojo/Kamen Rider Ex-Aid
Hiiro Kagami/Kamen Rider Brave
Dan Kuroto/Kamen Rider Genm
Takumi Inui/Kamen Rider Faiz
Kusaka Masato/Kamen Rider Kaixa
Kousuke Nitoh/Kamen Rider Beast
Tenkuji Takeru/Kamen Rider Ghost
Makoto Fukami/Kamen Rider Specter
Kouta Kuzaraba/Kamen Rider Gaim
Kaito Kumon/Kamen Rider Baron
Eiji Hino/Kamen Rider OOO
Tsukasa Kadoya/Kamen Rider Decade

That's not even including Kazumi and Gentoku coming back for the movie. And we're not even half way through the series. That's pretty damn impressive. Even if most of them don't amount to more than glorified cameos, it's a lot more returning actors than Decade was able to get IIRC.

I think it'd be too much to ask for Joe Odagiri, Hiro Mizushima, Takeru Satoh and Masaki Suda to come back, but if they could at least get
Takamasa Suga (who still seems to have love for Ryuki) and Renn Kiriyama (who's a self-proclaimed Kamen Rider fanboy) to come back, this lineup would be aces. I'd love to see Satoshi Matsuda come back to portray Kamen Rider Knight too. Or if they could get Gou and/or Chase back, that'd be awesome too.

Gross. Another Kuuga.




Woz scans soon?~

I don't see why Zi-O Decade using past base suits is such a bad thing considering that's exactly what Decade does...

I guess because Zi-O used different suits for the previous Riders. Although I really like the detail of reusing undersuits personally.

What's up with the RideWatch, Oma is holding?

The Oma Zi-O page also teases next month they have a scoop with new developments completely different from anything seen in Zi-O up to now.

Arc 2 time baby, let's hope now that the "Get all the Collectible" shit is outta the way the story starts picking up.

It's not that it's using the past base suits - in fact I much prefer that to some dodgy-looking 'ride armour' - it's that they lumped some ugly-looking Decade stuff on top. It doesn't go the full way on either past suit or new take and as a result just looks awful to me.

If you like it though, cool! Glad someone's getting something out of it :)

I like this too. I've never been fond of just using other people's suits, so doing a mix like this, where it's clear it's not the past Rider in spite of the reused props, just looks better to me.

That could just be Oma Zi-O's personal Ridewatch. Though if they wanted to do something interesting, maybe he could have the final form watches? He presumably has the power of all the Heisei Riders already.

Kamen Rider Woz won't appear until January or February, so it'll be late December/late January for those scans.

But I saw stuff saying the BeyonDriver comes out in December!
WHY CRUEL WORLD WHY!

The toys come out a fair bit before they're advertised in the show.

Oh, yea... Anyone else notice his Quiz form has weird as hell shoulder pads?

There's a chance, since he came back to promote the CSM Advent Belt. Plus, Geiz looks a lot like him I'm just dying to see them interacting with each other. And of course, you could argue that Knight is technically the real hero of Ryuki, so I think Knight kinda has to appear.