Originally Posted by Kurona (Post 801633)

This is the one time I felt the whole "two time periods" thing actually worked? The contrast between this Fangire's past as a vicious berserker vs his present of an amnesiac sweet gentle giant. Builds a lot of tension and has a more natural and sensible connection

Originally Posted by Sylarking (Post 801533)

Do you even like Toku? Because even killing monsters seems wrong to you.

Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die (Post 801534)

I don't want to put words in people's mouths, but I'd be shocked if someone who is as opinionate and curious about Kamen Rider shows as DreadBringer didn't like toku. We don't always see eye-to-eye on these shows, but I never got the feeling that DreadBringer wasn't as passionate about these shows as anyone. We all process art differently!

Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die (Post 801568)

KAMEN RIDER KIVA EPISODE 15 - “RESURRECTION: CHECKMATE FOUR”

I wonder if Wataru will be a good dad someday.

He’s trying his best, with Biggie. They flat-out tell you that Biggie’s “like a newborn”, so you don’t miss the story they’re trying to tell. It’s all about how Wataru would be as a father instead of as a son.

I’d argue it’s maybe a little early in the series to hit those notes, since we’ve barely gotten to see enough of Wataru As A Son, and basically nothing of Otoya As Someone You Would Let Even Hold A Child, to get a ton out of flipping those roles around. (And they are totally flipped, because Otoya needs/”needs” Yuri to feed him in this episode.) With how diffused the storytelling has been on this series, it’s not like we’ve gotten fourteen full episodes to flesh out Wataru’s character. It’s still some pretty broad strokes.

But we’re getting a story about him as a dad, and it’s as sweet as you’d expect. Wataru finds himself caring for an amnesiac giant he names Biggie, and it’s all these little jokes about a mountain with the mind of an innocent child, but then there’s real warmth when Wataru and Biggie bond over bike maintenance. It’s cute to see Wataru get aggravated with Biggie’s clumsiness, and it’s extra cute to see them connect in the service of others. And that piggyback ride! Adorable. It’s a sweet 2008 story.

Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die (Post 801568)

And it’s an action-packed 1986 story, because “Biggie” is actually Rook, a member of Lucky Clooooh oh oh! Whoops! Sorry! I meant to say that “Biggie” is actually Rook, a member of Checkmate Four. He‘s the same Fangire that killed a lab full of scientists, including Yuri’s mom. He’s also, we learn in this episode, the Fangire who wiped out the rest of the Clawolves in Jirou’s pack. He’s shown to murder rapidly in this episode, coming up with little challenges to overcome for no visible reason other than personal achievement. (Well, there’s also a parfait?) He’s a completely terrifying monster in 1986, executing himself with electricity at any loss and then resurrecting to murder anew.

That duality… it’s interesting? It’s a little too broad, maybe (the choices are Innocent Babe or Relentless Engine Of Death), but it’s got some possibilities. There’s a chance we’ll get into a nature vs nurture thing, see where Wataru’s influence will get him with Biggie/Rook, depending on if Kiva survives the ass-kicking he’s enduring. And we’ve still got to find out why Rook lost his memory, and what caused it to return. Some stuff in there that could be fun to explore.

Originally Posted by DreadBringer (Post 801660)

Shizuka's impression of (she's the one telling Wataru to leave) of Dai-chan, though she's right at hindsight (but for wrong reasons), is something that people commonly said to people like Wataru in real life (though ironically someone like Wataru refers to Dai-chan as strange here) as a form of (hostility) ostracization to them, i̶n̶c̶l̶u̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶.̶

Originally Posted by DreadBringer (Post 801660)

Please remember 2 things:

• Acknowledging someone's flaws and not defending them (not Wataru's) ≠ hating that person or even the whole genre.
• Any good guys, whether they're hero or anti-hero, they should not feel entitled to receive only praises and no criticisms for his/her moral decisions, including concerning the bad guy, and/or that he/she can never possibly make a morally wrong decision.

And I'm not talking about monsters only, I'm talking about someone's actions as a whole. While monsters are mostly only be able to be dealt by killing them, I'm also talking someone like Nago, where when he deals with something bad, can be just excessive like to criminals in previous episode (not letting them get away, but don't use excessive force). There's also a 2-parter in Kiva not long before before that deals with monster as living being, someone is now harmless and no longer kill (Oomura), that he deserve to live normally by then, and his trigger (bad music) can be likely dealt with something other than killing. There are times where killing a monster is clearly in the wrong, like Kuroto killing Burgmon in Ex-Aid, because that monster didn't do anything wrong in the slightest.



I mean you too, if you complain about the use of CGI in KR fights (I can't stand failure CGI too, like an abundance of it in my country's TV airing, but good CGI might deserve appreciation), it's holding back other people expressing art. Same for forcing the show to not implement plot-focus or non-favored genre like horror (I mean if it's bad it can be criticized yeah, but prefering to not do it altogether for the risk of it being bad). Though otherwise thanks for defending... a̶l̶b̶e̶i̶t̶ ̶I̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶n̶e̶c̶e̶s̶s̶a̶r̶i̶l̶y̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶t̶o̶k̶u̶ ̶s̶t̶u̶f̶f̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶a̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶g̶e̶n̶e̶r̶a̶l̶l̶y̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶f̶o̶l̶l̶o̶w̶ ̶K̶R̶ ̶d̶u̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶m̶u̶l̶a̶i̶c̶,̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶n̶e̶c̶e̶s̶s̶a̶r̶i̶l̶y̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶k̶u̶,̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶l̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶m̶e̶n̶t̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶a̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶a̶s̶p̶e̶c̶t̶s̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶I̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶i̶n̶s̶p̶i̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶c̶e̶r̶t̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶K̶R̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶w̶ ̶r̶e̶v̶i̶e̶w̶.̶



For Inoue show comparison, it seems that Wataru will be a better dad compared to someone like, Keitaro, who spoils the "child" beyond relief. Wataru has the strictness to tell Dai-chan to not touch the violins when he only causes damage, albeit Wataru does feel regret for being too hard. I guess Wataru's nobility seems to be able to inspire Shizuka here to do the same, who several times insisted Wataru to just call the police to let them take care of Dai-chan before (albeit Shizuka's the one to urge Wataru to save him). Shizuka's impression of (she's the one telling Wataru to leave) of Dai-chan, though she's right at hindsight (but for wrong reasons), is something that people commonly said to people like Wataru in real life (though ironically someone like Wataru refers to Dai-chan as strange here) as a form of (hostility) ostracization to them, i̶n̶c̶l̶u̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶.̶

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For Rook being a major villain, the ones that is named after a chess piece are, I'd expect for Rook to stay for long time (though several Fangires of the week stay long time between 1986 to 2008). For a major villain who seemingly had amnesia and turned innocent, this also reminds me of Reina Mamiya/Uca Worm on Kabuto. Though I got the vibes of Dai-chan just being two-faced in 2008, seen in him eating a woman who's kindly being concerned for him (ungrateful) when Dai-chan falls in front of door. Rook is a really big troublemaker for the cast, seen currently not in 1, but 2, as both Yuri and Jirou has an intense grudge to him (and further clarifying IXA not being able to be used for those seeking vengeance means bullshit as Jirou is just the same as Yuri, and Jirou has commited more atrocity). And for Rook's cruelty to civilians in 1986, I hope this can make people realize that it can be a cruel view to wish hell for people who are deemed "boring" or "uninteresting", either a fictional character. Even if they're "boring" or "uninteresting", they don't cause harm or disadvantage to others, they don't deserve to be like, suffer or killed, there may be something wrong in someone IMO if they can't tolerate someone being "boring" or "uninteresting" in your eye.

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Originally Posted by Sylarking (Post 801674)

That its why I have problem with you. You too sensitive you get easily offended at people for not liking heroric characters. Thinking them as psychopaths. Geez its just a TV show.

Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die (Post 801676)

Folks, let's keep it civil. It is okay to have different opinions, and it's awesome to share them, but let's not make it personal. An opinion isn't a person, and people deserve courtesy and respect. We all process art differently, and we're all here because we want to talk about Kamen Rider. Thanks in advance for your cooperation!

Originally Posted by Sylarking (Post 801698)

He seems to me he is attacking the fandom more than the art.

Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich (Post 801702)

Now if only I could figure out why it's called "Individual-System"...

Originally Posted by Kurona (Post 801706)

I dunno, just always made sense for the vibe of this rider