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GoldenXtreme

10-15-2016 03:43 PM

Hibiki 35: I have a lot of trouble remembering this show is Hibiki sometimes. I can't imagine the first half of the show ever doing a weird romance plot like this, although it was fairly enjoyable Inoue stuff. I nearly had a heart attack when that one Kaixa-esque dude (whose name I forget and I don't care to remember) was doing the Kaixa thing and creepily stalking people from behind walls. Don't do this to me again Inoue, I only think I can deal with Kaixa once.

DecadeW Climax

10-15-2016 09:14 PM

Ryuki 41-44: You know Toujou is bad when you're cheering for Asaskura to win. Also, poor Imperer, at first I thought he would be annoying but his character was well handled story-wise. His death scene was well made.

Switchblade

10-15-2016 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DecadeW Climax (Post 640906)

Yeah, Imperor's death is rough. Not the most likable character, but he had by far the most pitiable death scene in the series.

MarsHottentot

10-15-2016 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 640911)

Yeah, Imperor's death is rough. Not the most likable character, but he had by far the most pitiable death scene in the series.

Certainly one of the top tragic deaths in KR for sure. It blew me away.

Dr Kain

10-15-2016 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DecadeW Climax (Post 640906)

when you're cheering for Asaskura to win.

I cheered for Asakura through the entire show. He is my favorite character as he is bat shit insane and owns up to it.

MarsHottentot

10-18-2016 09:16 PM

You woulda loved Image Comics circa '93.

TF RyuShin

10-19-2016 09:45 AM

Haven't watched Ryuki for awhile. I paused for some time on late 20s episode. You could say the series became a bit mediocre and dull during 20s episodes due to it's like "A Day in Limelight" episodes for each Riders. We only got the surviving 4 Riders there, well except Odin though. I might watch it again if time allows. As far as I remember though, Ryuki once again escalated during some times where Shinji acquired Survive Form. Anyway, the only Rider series that I haven't watched in any forms are Hibiki, Kiva and Decade. Can you guys give a piece of your mind about these three series?

Fish Sandwich

10-19-2016 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TF RyuShin (Post 641880)

Anyway, the only Rider series that I haven't watched in any forms are Hibiki, Kiva and Decade. Can you guys give a piece of your mind about these three series?

Hibiki is great! Until it becomes just okay 30 episodes in.

Kiva's really messy in places but I think it's better than it's given credit for. Maybe not too much better, but certainly it's watchable.

Decade is super fun on an episode to episode basis, but if you want good arc-based storytelling it'll be disappointing.

DecadeW Climax

10-19-2016 08:29 PM

I just finished Ryuki.

I'll come back when I'm ready to write an essay gushing over it.

Fish Sandwich

10-19-2016 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DecadeW Climax (Post 642047)

I just finished Ryuki.

I'll come back when I'm ready to write an essay gushing over it.

I look forward to it! Especially what you thought about the ending.

MarsHottentot

10-19-2016 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich (Post 641885)

Haven't watched Kiva yet, but agree with the rest of this.

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Originally Posted by DecadeW Climax (Post 642047)

I just finished Ryuki.

I'll come back when I'm ready to write an essay gushing over it.

It is so damn good.

GoseiWonder

10-19-2016 08:40 PM

Watch Kiva. Now.

Fish Sandwich

10-19-2016 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GoseiWonder (Post 642052)

Watch Kiva. Now.

Oh, can we just throw our stupid opinions out there?

'Cause I think I actually like Kiva the most out of those three shows. It's kind of weird because even though I don't think it's a very good show (and this is me saying that), I've come to realize I have a massive soft spot for it.

Like even its most blatant flaws are just kind of adorable to me at this point. Hey look, it's Buron Booster! Wait, did you blink? Guess you missed it then... :p

GoseiWonder

10-19-2016 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich (Post 642058)

You.

I like you.

Powerman293

10-19-2016 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DecadeW Climax (Post 642047)

I just finished Ryuki.

I'll come back when I'm ready to write an essay gushing over it.

It's one of my favorite Rider series, it has so many good arcs and subplots, and the story is overall fantastic.

MarsHottentot

10-19-2016 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GoseiWonder (Post 642052)

Watch Kiva. Now.

Well, not right now, but I definitely will - I mean, I bought it!

Fish Sandwich

10-19-2016 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GoseiWonder (Post 642063)

You.

I like you.

Aw geez~ :o

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Originally Posted by Powerman293 (Post 642067)

It's my favorite Rider series, it has so many good arcs and subplots, and the story is overall fantastic.

Ryuki really is so dang good though. I guess I'm biased because it was my first (sort of), but I have a hard time finding much fault with it. It's the kind of show that really draws you in and doesn't let go until the very end.

Kinda wish there were not crap subs for it available. I don't like to bash on TV-Nihon for fun but their Ryuki subs have genuine errors that go way beyond "I don't like stupid fonts".

One major one that always sticks out to me is in episode 38 where them not knowing what "kireigoto" means resulted in Shinji's line after he tells Alternative he won't allow any sacrifices being completely screwed up. He's supposed to be acknowledging that stance may be naive of him, but instead he makes some weird statement about it "not being pretty", which just sounds like a meta comment on TV-N's clunky wording.

That's a pretty important character moment for Shinji, and doubt is a huge part of his arc, so, even if the more important first part is still right, and the viewer still gets the gist of the speech, messing it up like that really does the show a disservice. But now I'm talking like I know anything about translation so I should probably stop...

Powerman293

10-19-2016 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich (Post 642074)

Aw geez~ :o

Ryuki really is so dang good though. I guess I'm biased because it was my first (sort of), but I have a hard time finding much fault with it. It's the kind of show that really draws you in and doesn't let go until the very end.

Kinda wish there were not crap subs for it available. I don't like to bash on TV-Nihon for fun but their Ryuki subs have genuine errors that go way beyond "I don't like stupid fonts".

One major one that always sticks out to me is in episode 38 where them not knowing what "kireigoto" means resulted in Shinji's line after he tells Alternative he won't allow any sacrifices being completely screwed up. He's supposed to be acknowledging that stance may be naive of him, but instead he makes some weird statement about it "not being pretty", which just sounds like a meta comment on TV-N's clunky wording.

That's a pretty important character moment for Shinji, and doubt is a huge part of his arc, so, even if the more important first part is still right, and the viewer still gets the gist of the speech, messing it up like that really does the show a disservice. But now I'm talking like I know anything about translation so I should probably stop...

Shit, I responded to the wrong post. Blade's my favorite series but Ryuki's pretty good too.

Fish Sandwich

10-19-2016 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Powerman293 (Post 642080)

Shit, I responded to the wrong post. Blade's my favorite series but Ryuki's pretty good too.

Well I think those compliments still apply. You definitely can't go wrong with either of those shows in my book.

Blade's TV-N subs are also pretty f***ed but I can''t remember any examples off the top of my head to rant about.

MarsHottentot

10-19-2016 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Powerman293 (Post 642080)

Shit, I responded to the wrong post. Blade's my favorite series but Ryuki's pretty good too.

Blade's my #2!

Matrixbeast

10-19-2016 11:08 PM

Blade is greatest there is~

DecadeW Climax

10-20-2016 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 642101)

Blade is greatest there is~

Don't worry, Ryuki is 3 and Blade is 2.

MarsHottentot

10-20-2016 07:28 AM

1. Ryuki
2. Blade
3. Gaim
4. Agito
5. Amazons

I love Showa, too, but I see them as their own thing.

ashesofahero

10-20-2016 08:58 AM

Watching Fourze right now and then I think I'll watch Blade or Ryuki.

DecadeW Climax

10-20-2016 02:01 PM

1. Gaim
2. Blade
3. Ryuki
4. W
5. Agito
6. Faiz
7. Drive
8. OOO
9. Den-O
10. Ghost
11. Fourze
12. Decade

Haven't watched any Showa... *feels some angry stares*

GoldenXtreme

10-20-2016 02:28 PM

At risk of angering people, here's my list:

1. W
2. Fourze
3. 555
4. Kabuto
5. Gaim
6. Kuuga
7. Wizard
8. Ryuki
9. OOO
10. Blade
11. Den-O
12. Agito

I'm just going to go... hide now...

Fish Sandwich

10-20-2016 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenXtreme (Post 642326)

I'm just going to go... hide now...

What kind of crazy person would ever put 'frikkin Wizard above Blade and Agito?!

Oh wait... :p

I'd throw a list of my own out there but I'm actually super bad at picking favorites thanks to my broad tastes. It gets really apples to oranges really fast so I can't in good conscience put them in numerical order.

Wizard (and Ghost at this point) are definitely at the top but beyond that it's blurry.

XW1n5t0nX

10-20-2016 04:02 PM

I assume we're doing what we've seen.

1. Ryuki
2. 555
3. W
4. Hibiki
5. Agito
6. Kuuga
7. Gaim
8. Kabuto
9. Black
10. Blade
11. Den-O
12. Skyrider

SPLIT LIP

10-20-2016 04:10 PM

Dude, I'll play the list game, sure!

1. Gaim
2. W
3. Ryuki
4/5. OOO/Den-O
6. Black
7. Hibiki
8. Blade
9. Stomach Ulcers
10. Kiva
11. A heart attack
12. Kabuto
13. Wizard
14. Agito.

Ryuki is so fucking excellent in it's last episode if you stop watching just before the reset that literally renders everything pointless. Every character's storyline is ended beautifully. Ryuki sacrifices himself saving innocent people without even using his rider powers, Zolda gets his date with the reporter but dies peacefully from his illness before it happens, Gorou dies fulfilling his mentor's promise to Ouja in a last act of loyalty, Ouja is finally gunned down willingly by the police after being hounded by them for so long, and Knight finally wins the game, as he's the only one who ever really, truely wanted to win, and saves the person he cares about most. And it's all done excellently, on a technical and writing level. It is the very deffinition of satisfaction. Ryuki was a major mixed bag for me, especially Ouja, but that first part of the last ep made up for it.

But then Odin decides that's for weiners and tears it all down for a trite, nonsensical "happy" ending where every character, despite all logic, appears alive and smiling. (even Ouja who should be in prison still, and Zolda who should still be dead since he was ill before the game started)

Fish Sandwich

10-20-2016 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 642365)

9. Stomach Ulsars
11. A heart attack

Ryuki is so fucking excellent in it's last episode if you stop watching just before the reset that literally renders everything pointless.

A. SPOILERS YO!

B. Kamen Rider Stomach Ulcers is actually a favorite of mine, believe it or not. It had kind of a slow start but the characters were soooo good. A heart attack sucked though. Don't even know what Toei was thinking with that one. :p

SPLIT LIP

10-20-2016 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich (Post 642371)

A. SPOILERS YO!

Ryuki's like fifteen years old, though.

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B. Kamen Rider Stomach Ulcers is actually a favorite of mine, believe it or not. It had kind of a slow start but the characters were soooo good. A heart attack sucked though. Don't even know what Toei was thinking with that one. :p

I think I compared Kabuto to a heart attack before, but really it's less of a sudden pain and more like a building discomfort followed by agony.

Also, why the fuck would autocorrect turn "ulcer" into "uslar." Is an uslar a real thing?

Fish Sandwich

10-20-2016 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 642374)

Ryuki's like fifteen years old, though.

Well did you watch it in 2002? I sure didn't. I'm generally pretty lax about people posting spoilers but I feel finales are one of the few things you should pretty much always tag, especially if you're going to mention so many details.

I mean, I've seen it already though, and the whole reset-button thing is hardly a secret, so I guess if nobody else has a problem with it that's fine.

Switchblade

10-20-2016 05:00 PM

I'm not even going to try to order the shows in a list. The only one I haven't seen enough of to judge is Super-1 and my list honestly gets pretty murky outside of the top and bottom three (top: Hibiki, Black, W; bottom: Kiva, Ghost, Fake Hibiki).

Powerman293

10-20-2016 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 642365)

Ryuki is so fucking excellent in it's last episode if you stop watching just before the reset that literally renders everything pointless. Every character's storyline is ended beautifully. Ryuki sacrifices himself saving innocent people without even using his rider powers, Zolda gets his date with the reporter but dies peacefully from his illness before it happens, Gorou dies fulfilling his mentor's promise to Ouja in a last act of loyalty, Ouja is finally gunned down willingly by the police after being hounded by them for so long, and Knight finally wins the game, as he's the only one who ever really, truely wanted to win, and saves the person he cares about most. And it's all done excellently, on a technical and writing level. It is the very deffinition of satisfaction. Ryuki was a major mixed bag for me, especially Ouja, but that first part of the last ep made up for it.

But then Odin decides that's for weiners and tears it all down for a trite, nonsensical "happy" ending where every character, despite all logic, appears alive and smiling. (even Ouja who should be in prison still, and Zolda who should still be dead since he was ill before the game started)

I thought the ending to Ryuki was bad too until I listened to an episode of HJU radio that really changed my mind on the subject. I forget which episode it is but one of the peope on there argued that one interpretation of the show and the movie+ special is that Shiro just keeps resetting the Rider War to get his desired outcome. That the show is the true ending where he gives up and lets Yui die. The idea being that the ending is more about the concluding overall arc of Shiro letting go and stopping fucking with these random people's lives by having them fight over and over for his own selfish desire to keep Yui alive. Now, one could argue, that the resolution of those arcs could be meaningless to begin with given Shiro kept resetting everything previously, or that it is important because it got him to realize he should stop.

And in that respect, I think it's a good ending.

Matrixbeast

10-20-2016 05:27 PM

My list:
1. Blade
2. Everything else that isn't Decade
3. Yugioh 5Ds
4. Decade

Powerman293

10-20-2016 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 642387)

My list:
1. Blade
2. Everything else that isn't Decade
3. Yugioh 5Ds
4. Decade

Ah yes, Yugioh 5D's, my favorite Kamen Rider. I loved when they transformed and...

Okay seriously though, they did use motorcycles and cards a lot. Staples of Rider.

Fish Sandwich

10-20-2016 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Powerman293 (Post 642385)

And in that respect, I think it's a good ending.

Thank you for making my argument for me. :)

I actually decided to hold back for once but I really think it's a mistake to act like Ryuki's ending was just an arbitrary happy ending for the sake of it, regardless of whether it was even good or bad. I wouldn't even call that an interpretation it's so clearly the point of the show. I'm sure a more tragic ending could've made the point just as well, but it just wouldn't make sense for Kanzaki to do anything but what he did.

GoldenXtreme

10-20-2016 05:47 PM

I might as well come out and say that I think Agito is complete garbage. It was agony to even finish. I can find something to like in most other KR seasons I am not very fond of, but there is literally nothing I like about Agito. My opinion is lowered even further by basically being a bad Kuuga in my eyes.

Kamen Rider Stomach Ulcers is such an underrated gem though. I legit bawled at that last scene where Stomach Ulcers had to kill Kamen Rider Hemorrhoids. I don't know if anything will ever top that moment even though the pacing of the show was awkward.

Fish Sandwich

10-20-2016 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenXtreme (Post 642392)

I might as well come out and say that I think Agito is complete garbage.

Yeah, you own that unpopular opinion! Don't take no crap from nobody!

I prefer being unusually positive myself, but hey.

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I don't know if anything will ever top that moment even though the pacing of the show was awkward.

I think the pacing got a lot better when Kamen Rider Lung Cancer showed up. Best villain Rider hands down IMO.

SPLIT LIP

10-20-2016 06:03 PM

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