Delta has to be the least memorable non-movie Rider in the entire franchise's history. Scissors and Gai made more lasting impacts than Mihara.

I think you're forgetting Dark Necrom P from Ghost. She only existed for like 20 seconds, but still, pretty bad.

That and it's whole "Delta is so crazy powerful, you get powers even outside the System" was forgotten almost immediately.

Wait what? I don't remember that. All I remember was that scene where he choked Faiz and Kaixa and he seemed really tall, and the gun he spoke into.

I'd say Delta was memorable up until the point where Mihara got the suit. By that point it was clear they had no idea on what to do with Delta.

Yeah, when first introduced the Ryuusei School kids were passing it around / fighting over it / losing their minds - a bit Lord of the Rings-ish, really, with Delta being the desirous ring. They kinda go evil over it and get friggin' electricity blast powers when not in the suit. This is never touched upon again after this episode! Delta is the one main plot device they fumbled.

I think they tried to bring that plot point back when Mihara got the suit but like Mihara himself it was something that was fairly quickly forgotten.

Totally don't remember that. Mihara sucked, though; I kept waiting for Rina to rip the belt off him and finally become Delta fully realized and - for about five seconds - she did but, that was the only time because Kamen Rider is for BOOOYSSS.

The only things I really remember about Delta is that one of the stronger Orphenochs was the first user (I think Dragon?) and that it was the only Kamen Rider design in all of Faiz I actually liked.

I'd find it really funny if for the next Taisen movie, they got the guy who played Mihara back as Delta, and actually developed him as a character and resolved the last hanging plot thread of Faiz in a semi-satisfying way. Killing the King, of course.

I'm not sure that even counts. Either way, at least Alain's sister was a recurring character who had some minor impact on the plot; I defy anyone who watched Faiz to remember three specific things Mihara did.

I can do it!


1. Became Delta
2. Ummm...fought the Orphnoch King with Takumi and Yuji
3. ....Shit


Seriously though, Faiz already had several characters who would've been a decent choice for Delta. In fact, pretty much all of the existing supporting characters would have been better than introducing an entirely new character who did absolutely nothing.

Or better yet, Kitazaki should have just remained Delta. Seriously, he just throws away the belt because it's boring? Come on...

I know someone jokingly said they would like to see Keitaro as Delta but honestly, why didn't Keitaro become the new user of Delta? The earlier plot point about the Delta suit would of worked perfectly with him considering the type character he's been established as; It would of also gave him more point to the show aside from having a crappy romance story.

Didn't Mihara... work as a mechanic or something? Maybe?

1. Tried to dispose of the Delta Gear by tossing it into traffic because *angst*

2. Um...

3. Uh...

I feel like Mihara is such wasted potential because his hypothetical role in the show is actually a pretty solid idea. A more milquetoast Rider to contrast with the abrasive protagonist and his sociopathic frenemy, whose quest to become less of a loser could easily make for an effective and satisfying character arc.

And the show sort of, kind of tries to do that, but it gets buried under a million other plot lines and is pretty sloppy to begin with.

I don't hate the guy (if only because he's such a punchline I pity him), but he's easily one of the least defensible parts of Faiz.

Still a sweet suit though!

Keitaro would have been nice. Kaido would be badass if he was using the Delta suit while leading the Riotroopers.

Has anyone else spotted crew members running in / out of frame in Faiz? There's a few, the weirdest one I've ever seen in any media is near the end, can't recall the Ep number, but it was a quick night fight in a park. Faiz is in the foreground just before the scene change and, no joke, a guy comes crawling out of a tree in the background. I rewound it a number of times because I just couldn't believe they left it in there. But then, maybe Kusaka's pendant was an in-joke on how the crew got through those long-ass shoot days.

If it makes you feel any better, I can't do it either. I remember more about Dark Kabuto than this guy, and nothing about that character made any sense.

Well, between the two of us we got three things.

I figure that's like, a silver medal or something, right? :lol

Hang on, let me try Dark Kabuto:

1. Um, was experimented on by the Natives, or something.

2. Beat up Tendou, a feat I'm pretty sure no one else ever accomplished.

3. Sacrifices himself in some sort of redemptive death in the finale, I think?

...

Huh, I guess Dark Kabuto is more memorable.

Man, poor Mihara.

There's also one of a fight with Kaixa where the crew is just standing to the left of the fight.

Being so sloppy, it's a wonder there's no boom mics floating above.

Well, we're ragging on Faiz a lot but, I really didn't mind it. I'm not deep enough into Ghost to really know my true view on it but Kiva - shit, I'm going to have difficulty finishing that series after King Poop on Demon Turd Mountain. That movie irked me so bad I had to watch some Hibiki to get my Rider love back to sycophantic levels.

Up to episode 22 of Kiva.

These past two episodes were one really really fucking weird-slash-stupid storyline. Just...man. This episode in particular was just...sloppy.

Bad way to introduce Mio...who I'm also pretty surprised to see (now checking online) will be a recurring character. Really felt like the sort of throwaway character that ends up dying at the end of the two-parter, but whatever.

Dark Kabuto was a whole ball of "Whaaa...".


I'm kinda baffled as to why he was included in the show at all. I mean, I have a soft spot for dark riders, so I didn't particularly mind him, but he didn't serve any real purpose from what I can remember.

In fact, now that I think about it, Kabuto didn't really explain a lot of things, like how in the world Yaguruma managed to get his hands on the Hopper zecters, or where they even came from in the first place.

Kiva 23.

I really like Riki.

And now episode 24.

Man, I don't even know what's going on with Kiva's storytelling anymore. Of course, other than the fact that it's deteriorating at an alarmingly rapid pace.

And I was enjoying it so much even just a few episodes ago. What the hell is this.

Also don't really like Emperor Form. Which is unfortunate because from what I hear that's mostly what I'm gonna be seeing for the next 24 episodes. Bleh.

I still like Riki though, so there is that.

Yeah, so, what happened behind the scenes with Kiva? Clearly there was a solid plan in place at the beginning - I mean, there had to be, right? You wouldn't concoct a multiple timeline show and you certainly wouldn't greenlight such a show unless there was a solid plan in place on how it was all going to work... right?
So I thought there must have been some problems in the writing room but, according to the wiki, Inoue wrote the whole series, save 17 & 188 by Shōji Yonemura.
It's like Inoue lost his show bible and just couldn't remember any of his plans.

I think it mostly boils down to Inoue being a writer who ran out of good ideas years earlier and has been coasting along on the same tired old tropes ever since.

Also, these shows aren't set in stone, no matter how much was planned out in advance. Some shows lost their showrunner, some either lost an actor or at least had less access to that actor than planned, and some just changed their mind about what they wanted to do. OOO very famously changed direction a lot from the original plan with Akira Date sticking around far longer than planned, Doctor Maki replacing Ankh as the final villain, and the whole Eiji becoming a Greed storyline that wasn't part of the original outline at all.

Good things to know about one of my favorite Rider shows...makes me wanna go back and watch it all again but Amazons is currently taking up my time XD

Ah, I always suspected this, but was never entirely sure. I didn't like the change myself, so it kind of feels good to know that my suspicions we're right. Something I've always wondered is if the shift was due to the 2011 earthquake or just some normal changes happening in the show.

Up to episode 27 of Faiz now. Sawada takes this show to a new level of "edgy".

I am however enjoying the little "Delta belt makes everyone go mad" subplot that's going on at the moment though.

He writes Kiva like it's something he does on the toilet, between living a life. "Oof, that coffee really ran through me, guess I'll write an episode of Kiva while I'm at it! Haw haw! I got this toku shit in the bag!"

The fact that Inoue wrote (practically) all of Kiva is one of the most surprising things I've learned about it. Like, I'm pretty sure I heard that before at some point, but seriously...the best way I can describe what Kiva feels like to me is that it's like if every story was written by a different person, one who never even saw the scripts for the episodes preceding or following theirs. And that they only have some vague knowledge of where each character and the overall plot is at any given point, and then just sort of writes things they feel the characters would do, without paying any attention to what they actually have done or will do later.

Basically, a really crappy round robin writing exercise. Except it really was just one guy? Ouch. Wow. Jeez.

I'd contest the claim that there's no good ideas to be found in Inoue's writing, though. I think Kiva is full of interesting things, it's just the show manages to be bad in spite of that and just...doesn't use or execute them very well.

Still, I'm just...very surprised/disappointed by Kiva. I'd heard of how it was kinda crappy, and I was hoping it'd be overblown, but it really is pretty crappy. And I'd heard that Inoue was a now sort of infamous writer, but I'd seen relatively little of his work...I know he wrote a bunch of episodes of Ryuki, and of course Agito. Both fine shows. Of course, he also wrote most of the early movies, which were hit and miss. Kiva is just on a whole 'nother level though. How he managed to go from heading Agito to Kiva is...baffling.

...Then again, I'm running my mouth off about this, but this is just my opinion based on half the show. On the flipside, it's just half the show and already it's got me this disappointed, I'm not too optimistic about the rest.

Man, people are ragging on both Faiz and Kiva right now in this thread. If we can get some Ghost hate going too it'll be like Christmas is still going on for me. :D

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I kid, I kid. :p

I haven't seen Faiz so I can't really talk about that, but I honestly think Ghost was a much better show than Kiva is at least up to this point. Like I don't think it deserves even being placed in the same category of bad.

I mean I like Kiva way more, I enjoy basically any one of its characters more than all of Ghost's cast combined, but it really is a much more competently made show.

Ghost's issue wasn't so much that it was incompetently made as it was the fact that it was about as cookie cutter and forgettable a Rider show as you could get, at least to me. The story makes sense and none of the characters are outright hateable (except for Onari). The problem is that everything is done so one-note that it just doesn't resonate with me as a viewer. Even the base suit designs don't particularly standout to me. Don't get me wrong, they're technically "good" and I display the figuarts proudly next to my other Riders, but they don't really have any interesting design cues that set them apart from other Rider aesthetics, outside of the jackets really. And they're noticeably lacking in color.

I like how IXA's belt is one of the few they actually have to physically put on...but still manages to always magically appear on the user's waist as long as they have the knuckle.

I mention this because the fact that they made Hand Puppet Fangire steal both the knuckle and the belt in episode 25 is just, really inconsistent in this regard. That's to say, inconsistent with the inconsistency in the fact that people have just been stealing and throwing around the knuckle because apparently it's the only part that matters.

Oh Kiva.

I would say I am interested in where the plot is going with Queen right now but I accidentally went to her wiki page to see if she had a silly ass name like the other Checkmate Four and instead got huge spoilers all over my face. So uh, I guess I know where it's going now. That's on me though but still...damn.

And apparently she doesn't so that's a disappointment.

Kiva is a show that I'm not really sure what to think about. With every other show I had a mostly solid opinion on what I liked and disliked but with Kiva, it's more like "I think I like/dislike this part of the show". I mean granted there are some things that aggrivate me. For one Kiva has by far the worst distribution of forms and power-ups out of every Kamen Rider show I've seen. Almost all of them are used once, maybe twice throughout the entire show excluding movies and specials.

Other than that though, I can't think of any parts that I think are really good or really pissed me off. It's kinda why I plan to rewatch the show at some point in the future in order to better reaffirm my opinion on it; Granted I plan to do this with every Kamen Rider show I've watched since for some my opinion has massively changed over time (specifically Gaim and Drive)

In Ghost's defense though and much to the shame of both Faiz and Kiva, Ghost was written by a relatively unexperienced writer (at least when it comes to toku, not sure about any anime or drama credits), while Inoue sure had some experience and did some good stuff before Faiz and Kiva.
Some of his individual episodes in other shows were pretty good too. But since Faiz, it seems he's going kinda wild on stuff. I heard that he had more supervision/ people in his team on Agito and Jetman, so... I consider it "Inoue unleashed", basically. And he did tend to do some pretty freaky stuff on other shows (Dairanger, for example).
For the guy who wrote Ghost (haven't memorized his name yet), we still have to see where his work is going from now on.

Takuro Fukuda (Ghost writer) has written for some drama series prior to writing Ghost but none of the ones I found ever ranged past 20 episodes. So it's possible that he was inexperienced with writing for shows that go on for much longer than that. Then again he also didn't write almost half of Ghost's episodes. Seriously go on wikipedia, find Ghost's episode list, search for his name and see how many times it comes up.