He wasn't the one that did flips and wasn't the one that was the final boss.

Ah, so the most forgettable of the most forgettable (I'm sorry Legiel stans)

Honestly, I'd think that, occupation doesn't necessarily picture someone, like assuming that having noble occupation (like firefighter or lifeguard, or soldier which generate hero worship) means they're immediately true heroes and those who aren't are out of touch of others' problems. I mean the people in those occupations also can be self-serving, like taking that job only because it's the best paying job they could get, or outright unethical or corrupt.

Geats has actual firefighter in Takeshi who was accused as having ulterior motives by Michinaga, but otherwise you don't need occupation like firefighter to want to save people, like Keiwa (restaurant employee) and Neon (celebrity). The latter or Riders like Ittetsu (with Takeshi's wish being unknown) would also be an example that wanting things for themselves and caring for others isn't mutually exclusive (which can apply on main Riders like, Ikki's soccer dreams) - of which for Ace too the part of him helping people is genuine, his problem is being unethical (applies too to people like Tendou who is even worse).

This was also the reason why I brought it up in Die's Saber thread, that, doing something out of Duty and Oaths doesn't necessarily mean they're necessarily that noble like the occupation expects, of which I personally would value actual inner desire to do good more rather than obligation.

I think this scene is more meant to show Michinaga's cynicism than Shiro's character. Moreover, later in the show there is proof of Polar Bear's sincerity when the Jamato created from his ID-Core saves another Jamato by repeating these words.

I'm currently on pause from Geats, but from what I've seen, Ace saves civilians for prizes for completing additional missions. At least I haven't seen evidence to the contrary. Neon's help to the Sai family was a selfless salvation, everything else in the DGP world can be attributed to the desire to get a buckle. Of course, in the case of Keiwa, it is obvious that helping people is most important to him, but Ace managed to attribute this to selfishness in the case of Sarah.

Then he can be a volunteer. Yes, there are people who do this out of selfish motives, but at least this allows you to exclude salary from the list of motives. As I wrote, I am interested in a positive hero in a situation where he simply cannot help everyone.

Ace has done selfless acts when it comes to saving others (Such as when he made a massive donation to save Ginpen's son's life). As well, when he lost his memory briefly, he was still willing to jump in and save others.

He's just a massive asshole.

To be honest, this moment has always bothered me. That is, if money was needed to save Ginpen's son, couldn't Ginpen just take out a loan? He also worked in a company where he did not take Keiva, the bank had to meet him. Maybe he just has a bad credit history.
In any case, this act is selfless, but also not fraught with risk. The money belongs to Star of the stars of the stars, so Ace essentially lost nothing and risked nothing by helping the boy. Plus, including his own logic, he could just try to calm his conscience for letting child`s father die, and then this is also selfishness.

And here he could just be trying to gain the trust of warriors fighting monsters in order to regain his memory. After all, this way he had much more chances to get closer and touch the ID-Core.


Or pretending to be? The main problem with Ace is that we don't know anything about him except that he's lying. So even when we find out something, it cannot be trusted. So basically, he's a person with a purpose and a set of skills to achieve it, but no character. And this is the protagonist of a computer game, not a show.

As you said, you're on pause, but I more confidently said this, because there's already canon proof of the genuineness in ep. 24 onwards. But even then I can already see the genuineness before, I dislike characters other than Keiwa to have all their decency being met with sarcasm and distrust as something ulterior, which'd be just the same as Michinaga's cynicism above - I'd want for cynicism to not be viewed as rational, and that they can be blind too like idealism (and in ep. 8 it was selfishness to disregard other's wants due to feeling that they're insignificant to his wish, but that's a moment of weakness for Keiwa which he went in to prove it wrong later, and that later he grew to value each of Rider's wishes by standing up for them against Girori).

Regarding Neon, getting tired of Sae's family being the only example brought up; I mentioned her because saving Sae's family is far from the only example. She's shown to consistently help anyone she can, including many scenes of doing so side-by-side with Keiwa, helping Sae is just one part of it (previous episode she's also worried sick about another family in Sara), but the genuine part for me (before a canon one on ep. 24), was about how she consistently helped other Riders, which, would grant no benefit unlike civilians (which she also saves)? Such as helping Ittetsu and Michinaga (who is hostile to her) several times, and if you'd think Michinaga is the "safety net", then Ittetsu is just a "load" that can be left for dead (which is also unknown if he'd be replaced with Keiwa for her help in ep. 11)?

I personally disagree of downplaying good deeds due to "lost nothing" or such; being heroic requires them to suffer or such - celebrating someone's misery for "genuineness". Ryuki showed that of Kagawa claiming heroes have to suffer which resulted in Tojo murdering his close friends to "suffer" as per Kagawa's instruction. I'd think being heroic is just about consistently, genuinely doing good deeds to others (or for assholes like Ace, the genuineness would strengthen his good side, I'd disagree with ignoring his bad side though but it's another story), it's ok to preserve yourself, you can be generous by giving someone what they need in necessary amount (and including when it's more than what they need but not making yourself broke), but also keep what you have to perform another generosity to other people later. And to downplay it as "calm his conscience"... that's just pure cynicism, there are endless ways to twist someone's deeds as negative. Like, having conscience means empathetic and is an important aspect in heroism to feel for others' issues?

So after all, the show itself asks us to perceive their actions in this way. Like I said, the only known thing about Ace is that he lies. To believe him with such introductory means to take on the role of Keiwa, which means to be deceived about 50% of the time.

Well, Michinaga is a concrete example of just such blind cynicism. In fact, he and Keiwa are two extremes, which is why even their desires are directly opposite. It is not clear why you then unconditionally believe him in Shiro's characterization.

Well, I'm on hiatus, so I don't know how often and in what context the rescue of the Sae family is discussed. But I can definitely say that you are wrong. The Ninja buckle could only be obtained by saving another rider, so helping your comrades is fully justified and beneficial in the DGP.
Personally, I perceive Neon as an anti-hero. She is capable of both selfless deeds and cruelty. After all, directing Keiva to the mines, Neon definitely could not know that there would not be a bomb in the traps, after which his pieces would be scattered all over the street. That is, Ace couldn't shoot Girori's PunkJack, and even almost Jamato Michinaga didn't kill other riders (again, from what I saw). While Neon could very well have caused Keiva's death and certainly caused his injuries. So everything can be expected from her, especially considering that she won?t win either for plot or moral reasons.
I also noticed that it was the riders who died with desires that were fulfilled without the help of the DGP.
We don't know what Shiro and Michinaga's friend wanted, but apparently Ginpen's son could be saved with conventional medicine (albeit very expensive). And Retta certainly could lose weight and get married without risking her own life. The same goes for PunkJack with his musical career. This statistic makes me worry about Neon, as she has just such a fulfillable wish.




Disagree. There is a difference between giving a couple of thousand from your account to charity and getting another person out of a burning house. And the first cannot be called heroism. This is no doubt a good deed, especially if done from the heart, but there is no heroism in it. Heroism does not require suffering, but it does require risk. For this is what distinguishes a hero from just a good person.
As for Tojo, I can only quote the proverb of my people: "Tell a fool to bow and he will break his forehead." Tojo is stupid and most likely mentally ill, so he should by no means be taken as an example.
As for the case with the son of Ginpen, then, again, I saw less than yours, but here are examples from the head of how his salvation may not be unselfish:
- This story is connected with time travelers. Perhaps the boy or his descendant will be important to Ace in the future;
- Ace wanted to see if it was possible to get a buckle for rescuing civilians in out-of-game situations;
- It happened in the second episode and could be a vestige of discarded scripts. I remember that at the beginning they still tried to make Ace a womanizer, but in the end neither Otoya nor Shotaro came out of him.
So it all comes down to how much you believe in Ace. And I repeat once again: the show and he himself asked the audience not to believe him

I actually have a theory that Keiwa and Michinaga are going to basically form a team that's against the GP in general. Keiwa wants to save as many people as possible, so stopping all GPs makes sense to him, and Michinaga wants to destroy all riders which will happen if the GPs end. My theory is the two of them will attempt to heist/kill the desire god at some point.

Also there's an idea that the jymato are becoming more alive, and could even begin to be "human" and move beyond simply imitating. That'll push Keiwa to fight to stop the conflict between the two. Michinaga is also a victim of the GP system and currently his rage at that system is being used to just perpetuate the same ideas/system that killed his friend. I think he'll realize that, and that'll push him back towards being a hero.

Yeah. The approach the show took of focusing more on Keiwa and Neon is interesting, but it does leave us with a more distant understanding of our actual title character.

I also think it will happen.

Just got back from Japan and I saw Shin Kamen Rider while I was there. Here are my thoughts.

Disclaimer: There will be some spoilers, but nothing very specific. I'm moreso going to talk about stylistic decisions and such, which some people might not want to know beforehand. Each paragraph will be spoiler tagged separately, with only one of them giving a very brief overview of the story. Still, better safe than sorry.

So first things first, this is a lot more similar to Shin Ultraman than Shin Gojira. Like Ultraman, the story is divided into mini arcs that each focus on a different villain. However, I think it worked a bit better in Shin Kamen Rider, as there is the "fighting against Shocker" plot thread tying everything together. Ultraman, in comparison, felt a bit disjointed. Or, at least, it did to me.

Also like Shin Ultraman, the film pays a lot of homage to the original series, embracing some of the goofier elements. Like how Shin Ultraman kept the Ultraman "zoom in" style transformations, Shin Kamen Rider has a lot of shots of him flipping through the air.

The film also keeps the series' trademark edginess, with bloody fights, grainy footage sprinkled throughout, lots of wide angle shots and fast cuts, and some trademark Evangelion-style Anno-isms shining through. It felt very 2000s to me, and while I've never seen The First or The Next, I can't imagine how they're made any edgier.

Story-wise, I'm still pretty basic in my Japanese, so I didn't understand much of what was going on. From what I could tell, the story was fairly standard Kamen Rider - Hongo escapes Shocker after being turned into a cyborg, and uses his new powers to fight the organization. In this version, however, Hongo is much less at peace with who he has become. If you've seen Evangelion, the way this is portrayed will feel pretty familiar to you. As a fan of that series, I really appreciated this element.

The suit designs were all fantastic. Sadly, the fight scenes were my biggest issue with the film. On the plus side, there were a lot of fights with a nice variety between them. Each fight showed off different techniques and styles. Unforuntately, they were also full of CGI, awkward camera angles, and super quick cuts, which all made it very hard to follow and get invested in. A few of the fights seemed to go overboard with flashiness and CGI, feeling more like I was watching Dragon Ball Z than Kamen Rider. This is just my personal opinion, though - I've seen other reviews that seemed to like the fights.

So yeah, overall I thought it was fine, but I can't help but be disappointed. Of the four Shin films, this one was my least favorite. I think a lot of it is due to the language barrier - since I couldn't understand the story, I missed out on a TON of the movie, and the part that I could understand (the fights) wasn't to my taste. That's not to say it's all bad, though, as it was certainly still enjoyable. It's just not up to the standard set by the incredible Shin Gojira, and it seems like Rurouni Kenshin's influence on live action adaptations is starting to wane. So it was good, it just wasn't as top-tier as I had hoped for. I can't wait to see it again with subtitles, to hopefully enjoy it more.

If anybody has any questions, feel free to ask.

Side note: I saw it at the Toho Cinemas in Kabukichou with the Godzilla head on top of it.

With that out the way the big question remains; did you have fun and go broke buying toku stuff. :lolol

Yes.

Go check out what I just posted in the Toys & Collectibles section :lol

As for the fights, I think you should watch the First (the Next is very specific), because fights are very good there. Of course, the movie were not without unconvincing CGI, but still the main emphasis was on martial arts and motorcycle stunts.

I've heard mixed things about those movies, but the things generally listed as negatives either sound like things that won't bother me or actually sound interesting (like how The Next is basically a J-horror with Kamen Rider thrown in). Definitely interested in checking them out.

Also, in my jetlaggedness, I thought this was the Kamen Rider what are you watching thread. Whoops :lol

I rather like The First and The Next as visual spectacles, they are really stylish. I can barely remember the plots though, just a few bits that made me go "Toshiki Inoue sure is the writer".

Sorry for the late and longpost, but...

I don't know if you're agreeing with his views, but my point was that you can ironically acting like Michinaga in this talk for your assumptions and downplays here, including extending to adding some headcanons to make Ace further look terrible. I don't believe Michinaga in Takeshi's characterization, which is why I replied about other Rider's genuineness here, which you're pulling similar thing to Michinaga for other Riders without "noble occupations" like firefighter in Takeshi.

Fair enough, then it'd be not guaranteed benefit unlike civilians, because it's wholly unknown and so far none of the Riders have precognition so it shouldn't reduce the validity. And should a little, likely chance to get benefit from this discourages helping them (who doesn't get reset unlike civilians) for "genuineness"? And they're their rivals, won't letting them die if you can benefit as they'd deal with one less competitor? Damned if you do/don't for cynical views. The shitty part of Ace's Ninja Buckle part was about how he sets up the mission itself by getting another Rider severely injured for that, which'd be more like Morio setting up the attack on civilians to save them and get points, but saving missions can be done without that setting up move, like ep. 21's civilian mission to just, well, save them.

Yeah, she had done bad things in ep. 22, but the part of her directing suspicion to Ace though. But the DezaStar mission cards shouldn't being ignored for leading Keiwa to trap part, they're forced to perform mission cards as the rule in ep. 20 stated, DezaStars aren't free from terms and conditions, thus it's not that easy winning as DezaStar as thought - I think actually the easiest way is to never perform any griefing at all to other players, but ofc, the mission cards give more challenge to actually perform the job while still not being noticed. To keep holding principles while performing the missions, she can fulfill the forced missions by doing the bare minimum to technically fulfill it, to be limited on hindering fellow Riders to an extent, like throwing the bomb only once to hit Riders but not cause much injuries to them.

And the Riders aren't as fragile as normal humans like you think of how being caught in a trap would get them instantly killed. Traps itself also don't necessarily mean insta-death and can only mean to hinder their chance to win the round. And even for the worst case scenario of it probably killing she can jump in to save him (not negating the DezaStar missions but a counter against the view of her would be willing to let others die you suggested). People like Keiwa has no obligation to grief like that, but at least he'd vote out other Riders as it's forced for all Riders, he doesn't like, vote himself. In that position though he won't like it he might be willing to perform the missions in bare minimum way and act if things go south.

But anyway, it'd be actually not anti-heroic (as them overall, but only briefly for her) when someone does bad things only when forced into extremely difficult situations, and ends up regretting it, while under most circumstances tries to not do bad things or minimize it. It's important to look at the character as a whole of their good deeds vs their bad deeds (and then factoring in WHY they did bad things); like there's a difference between someone who consistently kill anyone 'bad' in cold-blood, and someone who disagree on killing bad ones but at one point is forced to do it due to the situation, while not liking it and regretful. It's context that really weighs the scale in either direction. Losing her wish permanently (+DGP memory wipe) would make her stuck living like what's seen after her elimination forever, otherwise she tries to be upright as she could, and when she have to resort to underhanded means she'd still feel bad about it. Not only cherry-picking certain actions for both good/bad sides; as in treating only paragons as straight heroes and only people as horrible as Isaac or Beroba evil/villains, and lump everything else together.

For superpowered beings, doing the "getting another person out of a burning house" will also put no risk on them anyway, like how they themselves would be invulnerable to the fire, but the normal people on those house won't and thus they're doing good by helping others who don't have similar luxury to them in the same situation.

I know courage and determination (which'd be why risk is often elevated) is often the traits used by people to talk about heroism, but I personally won't follow that. Because risk (w/ courage and determination) can be used by super persistent villains by plowing through any odds, enduring/resisting any fatal punishments without taking any breaks for dedicated pursuit of their goal sonce they set their mind to it (and on some occassions they got glorified as heroes for this trait). The difference of "refusing to stop at anything thrown at them" for the heroes is that it's done for good deeds, which I'd conclude this means heroes are good guys - as in how they're broadly defined - but to me the specific definition would be someone that has positive qualities and consistently do good deeds. Consistency is important as, villains doing a single good act, even self-sacrificial one, won't put them on the same place as heroes in morality - looking on the character as a whole.

About only counting the risky ones, this can be why something like beating up bad guys is so elevated as this is done by fighting superpowered villains that'd put their lives at risk, but this'd sound like the view where heroism is limited to fighting (or similar big ones), when the world is full of people who need healing, care, love, compassion and help outside of monster fighting stuff - I'd value how much and extensive they care for. This'd be why I value the parts like charity (of which both it and saving lives can be done together) because it shows how they care more than just keeping people alive but also improving their lives, other than how the risky part also shows they care enough to put themselves at that situation for other's sake; I'd place as high regard on Yuusuke's child consoling as much as Grongi fighting. Thus I'd encourage the display of many morally good trait and deeds in addition to risky ones for heroism.

I personally would disagree with those 2 getting more focus, or at least recently/so far. The bigger focus seems to go on Ace's mysteries and also how Michinaga deals with Jamato faction (this happens since Divergence arc too). Those 2... doesn't even get further upgrades like the other 2 (yeah the Jamato Buckle for Michinaga) which gets them tossed around more recently.

I wasn't clear there, sorry. I meant at the beginning of the series specifically, when Keiwa and Neon were getting more story scenes and Ace was just this other dude who was there. Ace has gotten a lot more narrative focus since then, but the structure of the opening episodes still makes him feel less developed than those two.

No, I do not share Michinaga's position. For me, he is an extremely blinkered character who sees nothing but his goal and does everything only for her. My position in relation to Ace is as simple as possible: I do not believe him, because he is a deceiver. It's like the rules set by the show, and repeated several times. Therefore, I will make a final opinion about it only after the final, and that is not a fact. In the meantime, it is quite logical to expect a catch and think through possible options.

Is there really a difference between rescuing civilians and other riders? Because buckles are not always given for civilians, and there were no indications that points would not be awarded for helping a rider. For an attack they are definitely selected, and the refusal to help in a dangerous situation is punishable by law. Maybe DGP is that strict too?
Plus, do not forget about the psychological part of the issue. Guilt over someone's death, even indirectly, is an ordeal for anyone who is not Asakura. I am sure that even the villain and criminal Morio would only be able to kill a person in the most extreme situation. Actually, that's why he didn't even try to resort to this path in the card mission. And given that death for the horseman is final, it is not surprising that most do not want to take on this responsibility.



For me, a character capable of both good and bad is an antihero. As for the vulnerability of riders... How could Neon know how reliable Keiwa's armor was and how powerful Chirami's bombs were? She saw an opportunity to complete the mission and took the risk. Moreover, Neon herself chose this path, accepting a possible fatal outcome (or not thinking about it, but this does not justify the act as a whole). Translated to a more realistic situation, it would be the same as if she directed Keiwa in the dark to a ravine without warning about it. He can get away with a bruise, or break his arm, or twist his neck. That in this fictional situation, that in the case of traps, Neon does not have the data to predict the outcome. And that's what makes her deceit worse and more dangerous than Ace with the Ninja Buckle. Because the Geats were in control. Moreover, he needed Keiwa to survive, otherwise he would not have received the desired buckle. And Neon risked someone else's life. Perhaps hoping that Keiwa would suffer enough to be expelled and then she would be the winner.
What I agree with is that through memory loss and personality change if Neon loses in a no-win situation. In principle, like all riders, but for her and Keiwa, this is perhaps the most tragic. But there is an obvious way out: ask Ace after the victory to return her memory by touching the ID-Core. That way she wouldn't lose herself and free herself from the shackles of the DGP. And unlike Keiva, her desire is quite feasible without the help of supernatural forces, she just needs to move out from her parents and start dating. At the same time, it would show that Ace values ​​friendship. I would still look for hidden motives from him, but a plus in karma. And I understand that this is a show and Na-Go, as one of the main riders, will be at least until the final, but option is still workable.



Yes, when people from a burning house are saved by an invulnerable Superman, this is not heroism, but simply a good deed on his part. But the saved, of course, will be grateful to him. The same goes for charity. A millionaire can feed a lot of people, but heroism is when feeding another you yourself remain hungry. Actually, that's why almost all astronauts, even not famous ones, are honored, unlike the guys who remotely control the rovers. Which by no means makes their work less necessary or important, and it will also receive recognition, just a different, more professional and less pompous level. Because it's not heroism.



As for me, there is no specific main character in this show. Rather, it's a show about the band or even DGP in general. I remember that at the beginning, Keiva was called the true main character, but at the same time in the episode about the Sai family, he has five sentences of text, two of which are: "Henshin!"

Late reply..

Already said there for difference, bruh, Riders don't get reset after the end of DGP seasons unlike civilians. I don't know why you'd imply that helping Riders would also be awarded with points, seems like just outright making up to make the Riders in DGP look bad. Also I don't know why murder seems to be viewed as the most pleasing and benefical thing for anyone, to make "not resorting to murder" as something to praise? Morio may be willing to murder if it'd benefit him, but so far for him nothing will benefit him if he performs that, as he wants to gain other's favors which'd require them being alive, and disposing of others via more sneaky means instead of doing it head on can be more stealthy (stealing Keiwa's Boost Buckle, also not punished by DGP)?

Actually, in ep. 22, Tycoon has been hit by traps due to his carelessness multiple times even before she directed him to a trap, that can be likely an insurance for her to know that Tycoon would be fine - Na-Go watches at least the banana one which only consists of him being splat with water. And you're still deliberately ignoring the canon part of forced missions to assume that hoping that Keiwa would suffer enough to be expelled. If she really wanted to off the other Riders, she could've done it with the bombs like, throwing them on untransformed players (mere human), but eh, she only threw them once while protected, she does those to be considered as having completed the mission, not to put victory above all else.

And the canon part of anything regarding DezaStar, be it how it's chosen, or earlier mission, etc. are all still unknown, so "choosing this path" argument is just still one of the theories, not something fully certain - there are another possibilities, like it can happen because of her family's connection (the argument for many people who assume she's the DezaStar before), or Chirami (or Kousei) assigns her as the DezaStar from the get go, or it can't be thrown to others and she must participate in the DGP as one, etc.

Also seems certain that DezaStar missions or conditions are something that is not all fully known to her from the beginning, in her reaction when the latest card gives the condition of permanently losing her wish; considering that she'd disapprove of doing bad things in other circumstances, which makes Girori's manipulation of her and Keiwa backfire, the missions, perhaps what she knew at that time, would be something tame enough to do, or to technically do in bare minimum, compared to Foxhunt (the challenge is to not get exposed, something like provoking can be sus). By that, she was following the directions in such a way that she'd minimize harm to others while still technically performing the missions, thus she completes them but likely not in a way that the DGP hoped it would be; the DGP is entertainment that relies on angst and drama, thus later ones give the condition of permanently losing her wish to make her more desperate and give more conflict in DGP - it's unknown what's the consequences of not completing missions, but failure doesn't only mean losing by then.

While perhaps her wish can be done without supernatural forces, I think that shouldn't be interpreted as solely only romantic love (which ep. 21 confirms). It's true that most of her issues really stem from her parents, but for moving out, she has tried where she has trackers placed on her belongings. And dating is also a part of her mom's control, who refused to let her socialize (particularly with people outside their circle), and she's in an arranged marriage setup so romantic love also puts her at odds with her mom. The lack of true love from her parents means that they will do anything to keep her trapped in her situation while justifying it as their "love" (generally abusive situations are like that) - like her mom deleting her videos, even if she regains her memories.

The bolded one was what I meant regarding what I said before of "heroic requires them to suffer", as if they are forbidden to eat to be one here. It's ok for them to strategize and look for the most optimal way to improve everyone's state, or as much as they can (no, not "the needs of the many" type where you'd deliberately fuck up those unlucky few), including themselves - 'making everyone happy' phrase technically would mean themselves as well. Strategizing helps you become an effective hero and help people effectively, reckless self-sacrifice shouldn't be hailed as the only heroic way. Being generous doesn't mean bankrupt. The reason I brought up Tojo previously was that, he did nothing heroic in those sufferings he brought upon himself because, his actions brought nothing good to anyone.

And I think reputation shouldn't be used as a measuring stick for morals, because it's entirely other people's reaction which is out of their control; people aren't less heroic due to for example, being hated by public - opposite of being honored/admired, like due to negative PR campaign (while for opposite, there can be villains who are well-liked by public due to hiding their true colors).

People can be just plain wrong and not everything people on internet says have to be validated. There's a difference between fact and opinion. Keiwa not being MC is a fact as it's already stated that he's the "Rider No. 2" to Ace's "Rider No. 1". Those people don't know to differentiate between role and characterization (assuming Keiwa is the MC because he's the most similar to most previous MCs in character, but MC doesn't care about how is your character - main protagonists can be outright villains).

And at the same time, points are taken away for attacking another rider. The purely logically opposite action should be rewarded. In fact, it is easy to see that the competition in games mainly depends on the nature of the players. The first featured antagonistic Dapan and Merry, conflicted Michinaga and Ace with his deceptions. The third compared to her, even despite the presence of DezaStar, is much more friendly.

For the same reason why you equate ordinary kindness with heroism below.

Possibly, but not convincingly. The traps are different, the effect could also be different. Plus, whatever one may say, Keiwa still got hurt. I also think that the reason is not so much in Keiwa's character, but in the fact that in the first episode, the audience saw what was happening through his eyes. Again, Ace doesn't give many reasons to associate with him.

But Neon is unwilling to mend her relationship with her parents, so her family problems are the obvious cause of her desire for love, but not what she is trying to fix. But in any case, no matter what kind of love awaits her, it is still a wish that can be fulfilled without the help of DGP. And in general, for any love, the desires of two are important.



Yes, there is nothing wrong with a deliberate feat. But at the same time it does not allow to appreciate the true human nature. If he helps only when it does not harm himself, if between the salvation of the many and the one, he always chooses the many, except when the "one" is himself, is this heroism? And that's what the comparison with a millionaire is what. If he ever finds himself in a bad financial situation, he may well not only stop feeding the hungry, but also deliberately take away their last. Is he a hero then? Even if, having improved his condition, he begins to help those in need again, all the harm cannot be corrected.It's just that if a person changes under the circumstances, then we do not know his present. And in some cases, it may not be real at all.

I will say this: if you are hated, you deserve it. You may have been slandered by bad guys with good deeds, but they had reasons to defame your reputation. Well, it's a celebrity problem in general.


Well, Ace also only shines when the plot allows it and often ends up in the background. I would not call him a bright MC.

I saw the Super Mario Bros movie and caught a Kamen Rider reference in it. Anybody else?

Did anyone do a Rider Kick or pulling off a “Henshin!” pose?

Pretty Big Spoiler for The Super Mario Bros Movie: Mario and Luigi jump up, do flips with low camera angles, and then finish off Bowser with a back-to-back Rider Kick

You know what they never say? You can't keep a bad dad down.

Of course I suppose it's time for a new coat of paint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ew1MS0c3t8

Outsiders continues to go more insane which is good because the Ouja stuff was fairly tame.

Oh, they remembered about Drive !

He is no longer Gord Drive, he is now Blonze Drive.

TACHIBANA-SAN? WHY ARE YOU DRESSED AS YOUR OTHER SELF FROM FOURZE? IS IT TRUE THAT YOU'VE BETRAYED US?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtOruCda...pg&name=medium

Tachibana-san?! Why are you researching rider cards?!

This made me laugh WAY TOO HARD

Rusty Drive.

And later, Silbur Drive. :lolol

I'm having thoughts on Reiwa's anniversary rider series. It should go Batman Beyond style. But it all depends on the gimmick.

How would that work?

Who'd be the predecessor of the new rider? Hongo Takeshi/Ichigo or some other legendary rider from the Showa era?

Didn't we literally just have an anniversary series last year?

And I'm against the idea of bringing back a previous Rider from the Showa era as I feel like this would become a Showa tribute rather than celebrating the Reiwa era.

A Batman Beyond style would be pretty cool though.

Alright. Well how to celebrate the Reiwa anniversary though? If it's to be a Batman Beyond style series, who'd be the main rider's mentor? George Karizaki?

I'd rather have an original character that passes down the mantle to prevent confusion amongst newer viewers.

That's a good point. The original rider would be the one who created that system, but at his nearing old age, he retires until one young man steals it to avenge his loved ones, proving himself to be the rightful successor of that system.

And it all depends on the gimmick too though. What'll it be?

Not really. Revice had an anniversary aspect to the concept, but the show happily forgot about it after the first arc. I would even say that Kabuto and Fourze are more anniversary seasons than Revice.

Late reply.

Not like there aren't any rules on real life society with punishments, but not everyone will follow that. And it's not only attacking Riders head on that can potentially reduce your competitiors, actions like leaving them hanging also can do, and it doesn't seem to be penalized, like lntentionally leaving them to die when they're injured (by something else) while you can save them.

Actions like Emu punching Kiriya after his return to maintain their facade will also hurt him. Or Date kicking Eiji mid-fight with other opponents to maintain the facade. Keiwa also attacked Ace in his plan to bait Girori, even though Ace has clear upper hand.

Mend? People shouldn't shoving the importance of family and blame those trying to break off. Fact is a lot of parents are terrible people, and their childs don?t need to be unconditionally grateful to them, or stuck with them (but her mom won't stand still). People like her parents can't and won't change their ways, because to them, they ARE already showing their love, but their love is predicated on you being what they want her to be or what she can do for them - which shapes abusive environment. There are also numerous other Riders who have archnemesis dad, and thus they're also "unwilling to mend their relationship"?

Firstly, what should stop is assuming someone who tries to preserve their welfare if they can while helping others as only wanting to help if they don't harm themselves. This can even happen to characters who survived at the end even when they did attempt to make a sacrifice before, but they're saved, the hindsight bias of assuming they have precognition (e.g. MCU Cap).

Otherwise, like said before, character/people as a whole of their good deeds vs their bad deeds (and then factoring in WHY they did bad things). It's context that really weighs the scale in either direction.

• It's unfair to, instantly condemn those who have even slight bad. No one is morally perfect, but this isn't a binary and it doesn't mean that they can't be straight up heroes with a few failings, it's okay to stumble and fail once in a while - what's most important is to stand back up and keep on trying to be better, it's difficult to be morally perfect. And outcomes also don't determine morality, harmful outcomes can be done by any kind of people, like Shinji's stupidity in Scissors arc.
• How the context is applied is like, how often they fail to adhere to their morals, if it's only done in desperate situation once where they have no other choices, even better if they show remorse for it (but isn't always needed), and try to be better/not repeat otherwise. It'd be anti-heroes if they embrace these bad traits - while still overall good person, when these moments of moral failure is too recurring, consistent, and no remorse/no attempt to avoid that or become better.
• People's alignment can change, and can change more than once too. But alignment isn't changed solely by single/few actions that differ, it's something recurring and consistent. If they were genuinely good before turning worse due to difficult situation, then it's a case of heel turn, . But they'd be straight up villainous from the beginning when they just did good deeds to maintain a two-faced facade before revealing their true colors (cynics like to interpret any of these cases as this, but it's not right).
• And there's also a difference between unwilling to do good (or bad) and unable to do good (or bad), the latter is like someone who got stripped of their power (for hero to save more, or for villains to cause damage), which sounds like the part of people in bad financial situation not feeding hungry people.

Villains aren't free from putting themselves at risk either, as the villainous Riders in the DGP like Kanato are given the same tasks and threats as anyone else. But those aren't heroic for their risks because they brought nothing good to others (them fighting Jamatos is also evil vs evil).

Wut, this is just cruel. Why tf would people are faultless if they have reasons behind their actions? Reasons can include something like jealousy, envy, racism, bigotry (can involve something they have no control of like their race), quick bucks for media, keeping villain's schemes covert, etc. And for you, the haters are doing the right thing over reasons like those? And examples of hated heroes in media can be (and quite often) someone as morally upright as Spiderman or Kenzo Tenma.